Brian11Laudrup
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They’re very much forward planning whereas we’re not.Obviously they've brought a Canadian RB in, in preparation for moving Jiranovic on.
They’re very much forward planning whereas we’re not.Obviously they've brought a Canadian RB in, in preparation for moving Jiranovic on.
Is there anywhere I can watch the AGM, presuming it was recorded
Think this is worth a watch. As it lays out some of the concerns many of support genuinely feel about the AGM.
Or you could say act with disdain and you will receive it in multiples!Of course the question wasn't put forward in good faith, but Club 1872 gave warning last week that "five year plan" would be part of their rhetoric.
Frankly, given that warning, Douglas Park should have had a far, far better answer prepared than the one he gave. His flippant, insubstantial answer handed them another bullet to fire at him.
Like many other I'm sure I'm )5+Our STs are already at what Id consider a high price.
Broomloan/Copland front and Govan east corner you could maybe make an argument should be around £30/40 more expensive but that’s at an absolute push
They’re currently £26.8 per game in those sections, £24.11 per game if you take away both Celtic games which are £50 each.
I think you maybe partly correct, any manager who feels obligated to agree is a weak manager, i very much doubt Ross Wilson scouted the duds, thats why he has a scouting department.I think he is trying to protect his manager and at the same time deflect from himself.
He'll be finding players and recommending them with a heavy dose of influence, he's director of football ffs. The manager might feel obligated to agree to some and Wilson can be safe in the knowledge he said 'its pure your decision but'
For example, don't tell me GvB scouted, hunted and recruited that utter dud Matondo.
Auld Henry,loves a big jaicket and an orange bunnet,goes everywhere.Who’s that
A major problem for me is that none of them are held to account for the fc--uk ups.Is anyone actually satisfied with the AGM, the questions and quality thereof, the answers and satisfied the immediate future will be fruitful?
Reading some of the thread and going by what a mate who was present, it seems a bit shit and certain members of the board or paid execs just proved they aren't best in class.
Which is fine, and understandable, except that the C1872 board weren’t the whole audience. Those who were there to respectfully and constructively engage with the PLC deserved a more considered response IMO.Or you could say act with disdain and you will receive it in multiples!
Early repayment clauses don’t work like that. There is normally either a fixed fee or a set percentage, but paying early always results in a reduced payment, not increased, due to the removal of interest over the period the loan is no longer being repaid for. There would be no point in paying a loan off early if it was not to reduce the total payable amount.Is it true that Bennet got a loan repaid early and charged 14% for the privilege?
Surely if you have an emotional tie to a business/club you don't rip it with the interest/fee rates, if contracted rate is 6% you don't rip it with an early redemption fee of 14% when you claim to have an emotional tie, you, well I would, take a nominal sum to cover admin if I was getting my money back as quickly as he did.
Questions that should have been asked at AGM imho.
I’ve answered the question already in the thread but Gakomakis and Juranovic aren’t prepared to sign longer contracts or want more money both still have decent time left on their contracts so they are going to sell them.What are they doing that we are not
In large gatherings like our AGM with limited time for questions it isnt appropriate to ask a question with little relevance to the majority. Its selfish and stops others from getting answers to more important issues.
As pointed out, the AGM of a business is not the place to make queries about low-level customer service complaints. If you were a McDonalds shareholder you wouldn't ask their board why they didn't give you napkins at the drive thru. It is no different for Rangers. Trivial pish which should be dealt with by the relevant departments outside of an AGM clouds the issues pertinent to the success of the business which ARE more deserving of discussion in that particular forum.
Just jumped into the thread. Could anyone summarise? Should I be outraged about anything?
Think a question like "Who from our board planned and agreed to an Australian friendly with a disgusting football club we share the city with. And the proper backlash from our support, put an end to it. Will the board member who booked us onto this debacle, be removed from post as obviously unfit for the role"?Having watched it back I didn't think it was any different to any other AGM there has been in the past. Yeah some surprising omissions from questions like the Sydney tournament but with that being with lawyers we wouldn't have got any answer anyway.
So why have they allowed the first team wage bill to rise by 64%? Rewarding mediocrityIf they hadn’t have put their own money in to cover the covid loses we wouldn’t have a team at all. I think people just expect things to be like the first 10 years of the Murray era where we didn’t give a %^*& about how much debt we we’re getting in as long as an king or a joe Lewis pumped millions in to us everything will be ok.
We need to start realising that we can’t just spend millions we don’t have and that we need to start trading within our means even if it means we don’t win the league for a few years.
I’m not reading much into it other than I don't want the Chairman saying into the Mic that he’s lost during questioning. Especially when Bennett was dealing with the question no problem.I think you're reading a bit too much into Park's comment to John Bennett. He said he was lost because the questioner, confusingly and perhaps suddenly, ended the conversation at that point by saying that "there were other people here waiting to ask a question", as if he had a contingent with him, who had supplementary questions, rather than him meaning that he was finished with his line of questioning. It was a bit confusing at the time, and having watched the video back, this reaffirms it in my mind.
Does anyone think this?I can't get my head round people thinking Ross Wilson identifies all these players, does the negotiations, manages the contracts etc himself
It's utterly mental.
Yes I agree if loaned by a bank.Early repayment clauses don’t work like that. There is normally either a fixed fee or a set percentage, but paying early always results in a reduced payment, not increased, due to the removal of interest over the period the loan is no longer being repaid for. There would be no point in paying a loan off early if it was not to reduce the total payable amount.
I would guess that is absolute nonsense.
I have read your comment again. It contains absolutely nothing I terms of evidence or fact and when you look at the content, makes no sense.Yes I agree if loaned by a bank.
Now read my comment again, I clearly make the distinction that he is supposed to have an emotional tie.
As someone who has ran businesses for over 20 years, you give preferential treatment re rates etc. That clearly hasn't happened here.
That's is of course assuming it is Bennet's own personal funds that has been used.
Don't guess, just makes a fool out of you and I.
Exactly he's a vertically challenged narcissist.You.should be ashamed to talk about anyone like that .
In the last 5 years
Financially stable
Squad value much higher
Merchandising much better (despite the legacy issues)
Stadium improvements made
Edmiston House project
Stopped the tainted 10
European successes
Cup drought ended
Yet some people want a new board
Fucking ridiculous.
Spot on, and that's before you even kick a ball with MyGers, the Sydney friendly and now more court cases.Really?
- Financially stable? A company that needs to be bailed out via director loans is not financially stable. In the past 5 years the directors have had to agree to underwrite £7.5million to see us through to the end of a season. That's not financial stability.
- Squad value? The club's 2 biggest assets are about to walk away for free. The 3rd biggest asset has downed tools and is worth a fraction of what he was worth 18 months ago.
- Merchandising - the countless issues fans have with Castore will tell you that things aren't better. Castore is not a legacy issue.
- Stadium improvements? Debatable whether or not the stadium has been upgraded. New disabled supporter facilities will be very welcome.
- Edmiston House - lets wait until it's opened before we judge it a success or failure.
- Tainted 10 - Celtic imploded. It's an outlier compared to our performances in every other season.
- European successes - we made a European final. It was very welcome as a distraction to our league form and brought in a tidy profit. But in this same 5 year period we saw some European humiliations.
- Cup drought ended. How many cups have we won over the 5 years?
If we're looking at the past 5 years then it's been a reasonable job following the spiv years, but its far from being a glowing endorsement of the performance of the board.
If you can't see progress on every one of those fronts then I really don't know what to say.Really?
- Financially stable? A company that needs to be bailed out via director loans is not financially stable. In the past 5 years the directors have had to agree to underwrite £7.5million to see us through to the end of a season. That's not financial stability.
- Squad value? The club's 2 biggest assets are about to walk away for free. The 3rd biggest asset has downed tools and is worth a fraction of what he was worth 18 months ago.
- Merchandising - the countless issues fans have with Castore will tell you that things aren't better. Castore is not a legacy issue.
- Stadium improvements? Debatable whether or not the stadium has been upgraded. New disabled supporter facilities will be very welcome.
- Edmiston House - lets wait until it's opened before we judge it a success or failure.
- Tainted 10 - Celtic imploded. It's an outlier compared to our performances in every other season.
- European successes - we made a European final. It was very welcome as a distraction to our league form and brought in a tidy profit. But in this same 5 year period we saw some European humiliations.
- Cup drought ended. How many cups have we won over the 5 years?
If we're looking at the past 5 years then it's been a reasonable job following the spiv years, but its far from being a glowing endorsement of the performance of the board.
You’re right about the AGM not being the place for CS enquiries but the demographic of our shareholders isn’t akin to that of McDonald’s - or pretty much any other organisation. Shareholders in Rangers have made an emotional investment, not a sound financial one they expect any return on therefore questions like the ones yesterday are going to inevitably arise. I’m pretty sure those asking the questions that folk are complaining about aren’t on social media or FF so the AGM is their place to raise their grievances.
I said as much in the first line of my post but it’s not as simple as that at Rangers.Its not the right place to raise individual grievances. There were around 2,000 shareholders in attendance with limited time to ask questions. Its not appropriate for individuals to ask specific questions that relate to them only. Questions should be relevant to the majority otherwise its a waste of time attending.
If you can't see progress on every one of those fronts then I really don't know what to say.
The irony is that by asking about a "5 year plan" would suggest improvements over those 5 years.
Maybe he should have been asked what was his 1 week plan
I said as much in the first line of my post but it’s not as simple with that at Rangers.
The poster I responded to compared us with McDonalds. The shareholder demographic for them is wildly different to ours.
I agree with your point about our demographic as compared to a McDonalds AGM. What I dont agree with is that individual shareholders at our AGM should use it to air individual grievances during question time.
Where should they be raised? I suspect the guys raising these questions aren’t skilled in social media and our club & board aren’t exactly elite when it comes to communication. Maybe if we were better at that these fellas wouldn’t need to raise these questions in that type of forum.
I think the board after the AGM must have been buzzing they certainly got away with a few questions I would have loved to ask.Where should they be raised? I suspect the guys raising these questions aren’t skilled in social media and our club & board aren’t exactly elite when it comes to communication. Maybe if we were better at that these fellas wouldn’t need to raise these questions in that type of forum.
They’d have just said they couldn’t comment because they’re both subject to legal action. They have an answer for everything.I think the board after the AGM must have been buzzing they certainly got away with a few questions I would have loved to ask.
Who signed off on the Sydney cup and what's going on with the Hummel case also.
This is an exceptionally complex and difficult thing to get right to be honest.There is no way to raise individual concerns unless you do as I did many years ago. I wrote directly to SDM and got invited to a meeting with Sandy Jardine and Carol Paton. I dont think this would happen today but a letter may get a written response. Incidentally the meeting was not fruitful. Im being polite.
I had hoped our 'new' SLO would be the person to contact but this would depend on whether he agreed with your point or not. A bit like my experience from years ago.
My point still stands though. Our AGM is not the forum to raise individual grievances.
The issue is they’ve got disposable cash, we haven’t.They’re very much forward planning whereas we’re not.
sad days when the idiots idiot asked a good questionJust watching AGM back at the moment.
That Alba fud Alan Harris was one of the very few that actually asked a good question
Really do not like Douglas Park for some reason also. Just feel its best he moves on from the club or steps down as ChairmanThey’d have just said they couldn’t comment because they’re both subject to legal action. They have an answer for everything.
Is that him who years ago wanted buses provided only by rangers for travel to away games?Just watching AGM back at the moment.
That Alba fud Alan Harris was one of the very few that actually asked a good question
It’s selfish as f.uck.Its not the right place to raise individual grievances. There were around 2,000 shareholders in attendance with limited time to ask questions. Its not appropriate for individuals to ask specific questions that relate to them only. Questions should be relevant to the majority otherwise its a waste of time attending.
Small progress? Jesus what planet are you onSmall progress in some areas from a disastrous starting position isnt exactly progress worth celebrating.
That we needed directors to basically underwrite our club to see out the end of a season drives a huge hole through your argument.
The bigger issue is why is the Q&A time restricted?All about interpretation I guess.
Personally I thought it was pretty nonsensical to ask Douglas Park for a detailed 5 year plan in a very time restricted and informal Q&A session.
Robertson said what Wilson had done behind the scenes was outstanding. Don't think he was trying to suggest every signing was a success. Perhaps going forward more detail on the behind the scenes work would be helpful, so we can all share in his appreciation!
Wilson acknowledged Bacuna hadn't worked out, the player was identified by the management team at the time as someone worth signing on a free, rubbished the figures the questioner quoted and confirmed we'd made a profit on the deal.
Sounded to me like Souttar has been brought in as a squad filler, useful when fit, but was never expected to play 60 games a season.
Other than that, I agree a number of fairly pointless questions.
That aside, it seemed to me the antagonism we see on the FF echo chamber toward Park in particular, the board in general and indeed toward Gio for that matter, is not reflected amongst the wider support, or certainly at least the shareholders amongst the wider support.
Just watching AGM back at the moment.
That Alba fud Alan Harris was one of the very few that actually asked a good question
I'd suggest the bigger issue is how the time is used. At least half of it was taken up with nonsense. On the other hand you can't really submit questions in advance, or the board would be accused of picking and choosing those they want to answer. Don't know what the answer is, but extending the Q&A format as is to 3 hours, 4 hours or indefinitely would be a shambles. I'd also suggest a good proportion of those in attendance don't have a whole day to sit listening to it. Fitting the AGM into a morning or afternoon probably suits the majority.The bigger issue is why is the Q&A time restricted?
It’s the one solitary occasion where supporters/shareholders can question the board on their shortcomings over the previous financial year?
Why isn’t the room booked out all day? It’s time restricted for a reason. The board would rather not listen to the supporters.
There should be an organised fan engagement session every 3 months with the board. Not a 30 minute period during the AGM. The lack of connection is something that really grates with me. The Sydney friendly summed up that lack of connection perfectly.