Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

Grigo Yossarian said:
You read the bit about them going to the non existent tournament & they were phoning home giving results ?
And Tommy Burns claimed he’d scored v Real Madrid ?

Pumping lies into young kids at that age :mad:

Sordid mate.
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Something stands out in regards to Tommy Burns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he was a part of it. There’s no way he didn’t know what was going on, so why would he be so chummy with them?

Was he abused by them, and eventually became one of them?

Something doesn’t add up.
 
Hillheadbear said:
Sounds like a mix of nepotism and necrophilia with doses of sanctimony and paedophilia thrown in.
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You are fúcking darn tootin'.

The Labour Party and Celtic were in cahoots for generations. Labour bent over backwards to accomodate them for Land Deals, Commonwealth Games backhanders. Need a listed building knocked down cos it's in your road? Nooooo problem, etc, etc. All their voters jumped ship when they realised the party their forefathers voted for was a Pro Unionist party after the Scottish Referendum. So what happens now? The SNP did a deed with the devil and have welcomed them and will do what they want if they can to please them until that is used and abused. By that time there will be a Republican Party set up anyway if we don't act now and get off our lazy arses. Anyway rant over here's more dodgy dealings. I don't do Twitter and urge anyone to spread the links on the tangled web of corrupt bastards.

https://footballtaxhavens.wordpress...h-coal-deep-mine-company-limited-liquidation/
 
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Humbug said:
Good timeline of events here, an interesting part for me is 1989 The Trophy centre, I always wondered how the funds were raised to start that business. But it looks like it wasn't only Torbett who were in at the very start.


  • 1966: Celtic Boys’ Club is founded by Jim Torbett, who had previously been involved in Glasgow youth football.
  • 1968: Allegations of abuse begin.
  • 1970: Frank Cairney joins club.
  • 1976: Jock Stein ousts Jim Torbett as Boys’ Club general manager after allegations that boys were being sexually abused. Torbett is replaced by Frank Cairney. Hugh Birt (a photographer and Celtic associate) is made chairman.
  • 1978: Jock Stein leaves the club.
  • 1982: John Cullen joins the club as photographer.
  • 1985: Jock Stein dies.
  • 1989: Jim Torbett creates a new business – The Trophy Centre – alongside Honorary President of the Boy’s Club and Celtic board member, Kevin Kelly, plus Gerald McAleer, former youth player under Torbett, and Angus Yuile who was company secretary.
  • 1991: A youth team member raises allegations of abuse against Cairney that happened during a trip to New Jersey. His father takes him to Celtic Park to meet with new manager, Liam Brady, and chief scout, John Kelman. Brady approaches the board and demands Cairney leave the club. He resigns as general manager and part-time coach and the club announce this is due to ‘business commitments’. The boy is assured that his allegations would not affect his future career at the club. It was also agreed between Celtic, Brady, the boy and his parents that the police would not be informed. Signed statements were taken from four adults who were also on the New Jersey trip. They were all sworn to secrecy.
  • 1993: Torbett is asked back to the club to help them raise funds via memorabilia sales. He eventually also returns to the Boy’s Club.
  • 1994: Fergus McCann joins Celtic and immediately receives an anonymous letter detailing years of abuse at the club. Adamant the persistent rumours should no longer be brushed under the carpet, he calls in Torbett and asks him to meet with the club’s lawyers to sign an affidavit either admitting or denying claims of abuse which could then be passed to police. Torbett refuses.
  • 1994: Celtic fan, Gerry McSherry appears on a radio programme to question the transfer of a young player. Within days he received a number of calls making allegations of untoward behaviour at the Boy’s Club. McSherry began his own investigation.
  • 1994: New Celtic boss Tommy Burns attempts to bring Frank Cairney back to Parkstead. Fergus McCann refuses following outrage from fans in New Jersey.
  • Aug 1996: The Daily Record runs an expose on abuse at Celtic involving Torbett and Cairney. In the following days, former Scotland star Alan Brazil, David Gordon and John McClusky tell The Daily Record of abuse by Torbett when when they were members of the Celtic Boys’ Club. McSherry is contracted to The Daily Record. A further former player, Scott Sinclair, also comes forward claiming that Cairney would abuse boys in his van. Cairney refuted the allegations and denied knowing Sinclair. In response Sinclair handed a photograph to The Daily Record which was a picture of the whole team, including both Sinclair and Cairney.
  • Aug 1996: After the story broke, Burns rushed to Cairney’s home (a man he considered a close friend). He told waiting reporters “He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man“. The following day, an angry McCann issued a statement to the press stating: “While I sympathise with Tommy Burns’ personal position as a friend of Mr Cairney, the club cannot condone or defend or take sides in a matter which involves a criminal complaint“. In response, Burns said he had been misquoted and actually said: “He has my backing and I’m sure he will have the backing of several members of the first team who played for Frank at under-16 level“. Torbett went in to hiding at the home of two former youth players – William and Andrew Gilbert.
  • Aug 1996: A meeting between five men was held in Boston’s Airport where a secret deal was agreed allowing Cairney to resign immediately so as to avoid a police investigation. Celtic chairman, Jack McGinn, allowed Cairney’s written resignation to say it was for “business reasons”. The impromptu meeting consisted of Cairney, Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson.
  • Aug 1996: The Trophy Centre sponsors the Scottish Amateur Youth leagues.
  • Aug 1996: Brady agrees not to go to the police. He then went on to be head of the Arsenal youth team.
  • Oct 1996: Torbett charged with sex offences.
  • May 1997: Record team win Reporter of the Year award for investigations into sex abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club.
  • Aug 1997: The Court of Appeal lifted a gagging order that had banned the press from reporting on the court trial of Torbett and Cairney.
  • Nov 1998: Torbett stands trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court charged with molesting three youngsters in his care including Alan Brazil. He is found guilty and jailed for two years.
  • 2000: Torbett resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
  • 2002: Cleaners find a bin bag full of obscene photographs of boys in a store room at Parkstead. John Cullen, club photographer, is immediately dismissed. He is subsequently found guilty of ‘lewd and libidinous’ behaviour. His lenient sentence causes outrage.
  • 2005: Kevin Kelly resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
Further connections:

A number of photographs are freely available on the internet of Jimmy Savile and/or the Father O’Connell with different board members.



Celtic was also linked to the notorious St Joseph’s College Roman Catholic boarding school which was rocked by appalling allegations of abuse. It was run by the Marist Brother Order. Interestingly, the team Athletico Bilbao was started by former pupils of the college.



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Need to add 1986 into the timeline. There is an archived copy of the Celtic View from this date mentioning an internal Celtic review which cleared the perpetrators and called the accusations “scurrilous”.
 
Celtic ‘should take responsibility’ for child abuse at feeder football club

Scotland’s former child welfare watchdog has urged Celtic FC to take responsibility and apologise for the systematic abuse that took place at its feeder club.
Tam Baillie, who served as commissioner for children and young people for eight years until 2017, spoke out after MSPs called for an independent inquiry into the abuse of Celtic Boys Club players. Four men who held senior positions with the club have been convicted in recent months for molesting dozens of children over three decades.
“Celtic are the biggest football club in Scotland,” Mr Baillie said. “They have a responsibility to lead on these kinds of matters . . . They should have accepted responsibility and apologised as soon as the abuse became apparent.”
Although expressing “regret and sorrow” for the victims, Celtic FC has insisted that it is not legally culpable for the abuse, describing the boys’ club as an “entirely separate organisation”.
However, Peter Lawwell, the chief executive of Celtic FC, revealed last week that it had been conducting its own internal investigation into the scandal. Mr Baillie said Celtic FC “clearly feel that there is something they have to investigate. Regardless of whether the boys’ club was officially linked to Celtic FC the children and families believed they were. There is a moral responsibility to act.”
James Dornan, an SNP MSP, wrote to Celtic calling on its management to take responsibility, issue an apology and compensate victims.
Mr Lawwell said that legal processes meant the club was constrained in what it could say publicly.
Responding to Mr Dornan’s letter, the statement added: “We do not accept that we are not a caring club and we take our responsibilities very seriously. Celtic FC sincerely regrets that abuse occurred and we have great sympathy for the young people who suffered.”
Patrick McGuire, of Thompsons Solicitors, who is representing abuse victims, said: “There’s been no attempt for dialogue from Celtic.”
An internal Celtic FC inquiry in 1986 “cleared” Jim Torbett and Frank Cairney, both now convicted paedophiles.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/celtic-fc-child-abuse-boys-club-molestation-8qvsmm799
 
indianabluenose said:
Celtic ‘should take responsibility’ for child abuse at feeder football club

Scotland’s former child welfare watchdog has urged Celtic FC to take responsibility and apologise for the systematic abuse that took place at its feeder club.
Tam Baillie, who served as commissioner for children and young people for eight years until 2017, spoke out after MSPs called for an independent inquiry into the abuse of Celtic Boys Club players. Four men who held senior positions with the club have been convicted in recent months for molesting dozens of children over three decades.
“Celtic are the biggest football club in Scotland,” Mr Baillie said. “They have a responsibility to lead on these kinds of matters . . . They should have accepted responsibility and apologised as soon as the abuse became apparent.”
Although expressing “regret and sorrow” for the victims, Celtic FC has insisted that it is not legally culpable for the abuse, describing the boys’ club as an “entirely separate organisation”.
However, Peter Lawwell, the chief executive of Celtic FC, revealed last week that it had been conducting its own internal investigation into the scandal. Mr Baillie said Celtic FC “clearly feel that there is something they have to investigate. Regardless of whether the boys’ club was officially linked to Celtic FC the children and families believed they were. There is a moral responsibility to act.”
James Dornan, an SNP MSP, wrote to Celtic calling on its management to take responsibility, issue an apology and compensate victims.
Mr Lawwell said that legal processes meant the club was constrained in what it could say publicly.
Responding to Mr Dornan’s letter, the statement added: “We do not accept that we are not a caring club and we take our responsibilities very seriously. Celtic FC sincerely regrets that abuse occurred and we have great sympathy for the young people who suffered.”
Patrick McGuire, of Thompsons Solicitors, who is representing abuse victims, said: “There’s been no attempt for dialogue from Celtic.”
An internal Celtic FC inquiry in 1986 “cleared” Jim Torbett and Frank Cairney, both now convicted paedophiles.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/celtic-fc-child-abuse-boys-club-molestation-8qvsmm799
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I remember the Indy Star sunk their teeth into USA Gymnastics and tore them to shreds. I think the Times is doing that to the Tim’s. This has been a good week now of them putting the scum on blast. I have subscribed to them to help encourage them to keep at it. I suggest other bears do to. I will gladly May a few £ a month to someone busting Tim balls.
 
Humbug said:
Good timeline of events here, an interesting part for me is 1989 The Trophy centre, I always wondered how the funds were raised to start that business. But it looks like it wasn't only Torbett who were in at the very start.


  • 1966: Celtic Boys’ Club is founded by Jim Torbett, who had previously been involved in Glasgow youth football.
  • 1968: Allegations of abuse begin.
  • 1970: Frank Cairney joins club.
  • 1976: Jock Stein ousts Jim Torbett as Boys’ Club general manager after allegations that boys were being sexually abused. Torbett is replaced by Frank Cairney. Hugh Birt (a photographer and Celtic associate) is made chairman.
  • 1978: Jock Stein leaves the club.
  • 1982: John Cullen joins the club as photographer.
  • 1985: Jock Stein dies.
  • 1989: Jim Torbett creates a new business – The Trophy Centre – alongside Honorary President of the Boy’s Club and Celtic board member, Kevin Kelly, plus Gerald McAleer, former youth player under Torbett, and Angus Yuile who was company secretary.
  • 1991: A youth team member raises allegations of abuse against Cairney that happened during a trip to New Jersey. His father takes him to Celtic Park to meet with new manager, Liam Brady, and chief scout, John Kelman. Brady approaches the board and demands Cairney leave the club. He resigns as general manager and part-time coach and the club announce this is due to ‘business commitments’. The boy is assured that his allegations would not affect his future career at the club. It was also agreed between Celtic, Brady, the boy and his parents that the police would not be informed. Signed statements were taken from four adults who were also on the New Jersey trip. They were all sworn to secrecy.
  • 1993: Torbett is asked back to the club to help them raise funds via memorabilia sales. He eventually also returns to the Boy’s Club.
  • 1994: Fergus McCann joins Celtic and immediately receives an anonymous letter detailing years of abuse at the club. Adamant the persistent rumours should no longer be brushed under the carpet, he calls in Torbett and asks him to meet with the club’s lawyers to sign an affidavit either admitting or denying claims of abuse which could then be passed to police. Torbett refuses.
  • 1994: Celtic fan, Gerry McSherry appears on a radio programme to question the transfer of a young player. Within days he received a number of calls making allegations of untoward behaviour at the Boy’s Club. McSherry began his own investigation.
  • 1994: New Celtic boss Tommy Burns attempts to bring Frank Cairney back to Parkstead. Fergus McCann refuses following outrage from fans in New Jersey.
  • Aug 1996: The Daily Record runs an expose on abuse at Celtic involving Torbett and Cairney. In the following days, former Scotland star Alan Brazil, David Gordon and John McClusky tell The Daily Record of abuse by Torbett when when they were members of the Celtic Boys’ Club. McSherry is contracted to The Daily Record. A further former player, Scott Sinclair, also comes forward claiming that Cairney would abuse boys in his van. Cairney refuted the allegations and denied knowing Sinclair. In response Sinclair handed a photograph to The Daily Record which was a picture of the whole team, including both Sinclair and Cairney.
  • Aug 1996: After the story broke, Burns rushed to Cairney’s home (a man he considered a close friend). He told waiting reporters “He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man“. The following day, an angry McCann issued a statement to the press stating: “While I sympathise with Tommy Burns’ personal position as a friend of Mr Cairney, the club cannot condone or defend or take sides in a matter which involves a criminal complaint“. In response, Burns said he had been misquoted and actually said: “He has my backing and I’m sure he will have the backing of several members of the first team who played for Frank at under-16 level“. Torbett went in to hiding at the home of two former youth players – William and Andrew Gilbert.
  • Aug 1996: A meeting between five men was held in Boston’s Airport where a secret deal was agreed allowing Cairney to resign immediately so as to avoid a police investigation. Celtic chairman, Jack McGinn, allowed Cairney’s written resignation to say it was for “business reasons”. The impromptu meeting consisted of Cairney, Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson.
  • Aug 1996: The Trophy Centre sponsors the Scottish Amateur Youth leagues.
  • Aug 1996: Brady agrees not to go to the police. He then went on to be head of the Arsenal youth team.
  • Oct 1996: Torbett charged with sex offences.
  • May 1997: Record team win Reporter of the Year award for investigations into sex abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club.
  • Aug 1997: The Court of Appeal lifted a gagging order that had banned the press from reporting on the court trial of Torbett and Cairney.
  • Nov 1998: Torbett stands trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court charged with molesting three youngsters in his care including Alan Brazil. He is found guilty and jailed for two years.
  • 2000: Torbett resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
  • 2002: Cleaners find a bin bag full of obscene photographs of boys in a store room at Parkstead. John Cullen, club photographer, is immediately dismissed. He is subsequently found guilty of ‘lewd and libidinous’ behaviour. His lenient sentence causes outrage.
  • 2005: Kevin Kelly resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
Further connections:

A number of photographs are freely available on the internet of Jimmy Savile and/or the Father O’Connell with different board members.



Celtic was also linked to the notorious St Joseph’s College Roman Catholic boarding school which was rocked by appalling allegations of abuse. It was run by the Marist Brother Order. Interestingly, the team Athletico Bilbao was started by former pupils of the college.



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A key point missing. After Jock Stein passed away, Celtic had their so-called enquiry.
 
Arkanoid said:
How far above Kelly do you go to get the Puppet Master? It has seemingly spread like a disease and people turned a blind eye to the disease, prolonged it, and ensured it's existence and acceptance. How high did it go? Which scum started it!
Far too easy to lay the blame at the door of Religion, names and convictions posthumously or not. Couldn't give a %^*& about Celtic and the 'Gers fans in it for themselves argument' The victims deserve names and convictions, retribution and compensation
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When you look back and think about it, were the Kelly's tenure relatively successful winning trophy's pre David Holmes / David Murray? Were their fans turning a blind eye knowing they were winning more often than not. I am now thinking they turned on them quite viciously when Rangers ran the show. Yes they built up debt but was the venom shown towards them more to do with the 'Open Secret' other than a Rampant Rangers? Had we still been mediocre then the Kelly's would have survived amid rumours back then because what matters most to them is a successful team on the park at all costs.
 
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tangledupinblue said:
When you look back and think about it, were the Kelly's tenure relatively successful winning trophy's pre David Holmes / David Murray? Were their fans turning a blind eye knowing they were winning more often than not. I am now thinking they turned on them quite viciously when Rangers ran the show. Yes they built up debt but was the venom shown towards them more to do with the 'Open Secret' other than a Rampant Rangers? Had we still been mediocre then the Kelly's would have survived amid rumours back then because what matters most to them is a successful team on the park at all costs.
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They all knew.
 
Zander73 said:
Agree with you Virgil. That’s why I’m glad that the English FA are also involved. British justice will be served on them. It’s absolutely criminal that the SNP have basically done nothing. A two year secret internal inquiry says it all imo. They are digging themselves a bigger hole.
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The U S State Dept, Danish & French governments also need involved.
 
Virgil Hilts said:
The U S State Dept, Danish & French governments also need involved.
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Norway also

John McCluskey... disclosed being abused by Torbett. Unfortunately the court could not hear his evidence as the abuse happened during a trip to Norway. McCluskey later said during an interview:

“My guilt and shame now is not for what happened that night. My shame is that I waited 23 years to do anything about it. “Dunblane was the one thing that made me come forward. If some of the boys abused by Thomas Hamilton had spoken out, perhaps the massacre might not have happened.”​
 
Humbug said:
Norway also

John McCluskey... disclosed being abused by Torbett. Unfortunately the court could not hear his evidence as the abuse happened during a trip to Norway. McCluskey later said during an interview:

“My guilt and shame now is not for what happened that night. My shame is that I waited 23 years to do anything about it. “Dunblane was the one thing that made me come forward. If some of the boys abused by Thomas Hamilton had spoken out, perhaps the massacre might not have happened.”​
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I also know off another visit to the Florida in the US,Torbett took a handful of lads to a friends villa,think there was 5-8 lads there,Andrew was there and said no abuse took place for him as he was sharing a room with another player.

I was under the impression it was under the umbrella of CBC,but later I found out they didn’t have enough lads there to make a footy team and it was payed for by CFC,I think eventually in all it was paid by Torbett.

Wouldn’t be cheap in the 90’s and I wonder who and what maybe happened there,part of another grooming tool.

Did anyone else get abused on that trip,and who’s villa was it they stayed at?

Sure that Gilbert was there.
 
Bknowe said:
I suspect that with both Kelly & McGinn both being in their twilight years, if either of them were lifted for questioning, they would quickly develop Alzheimers.

Both should have been questioned long ago by the cops.
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I can't find Jack McGinn's age, but Kevin Kelly is 81 - a few years younger than Hugh Adam when the media interviewed him in 2012. Hugh Adam passed away later that year.

Why have there been no interviews with this pair?

Jack McGinn was largely responsible for setting up the Celtic View in the mid-60s. A fair number of journos now plying their trade as football writers started off at the Celtic View - of course, most of these people seem to believe they're still writing for it.
 
The last 5 or 6 pages have made for some serious reading. If only all the details were available in some sort of easy file that could be forwarded to organisations who would investigate. Those organisations and folk named in the file should also be reminded that they are now implicated and to do nothing will be tantamount to enabling.

Seeing politicians and large business deals being associated with the main players leads one to believe that this is much much more than the "simple" paedophile ring we initially thought it was, and it is taking on the look of a very widespread corruption involving leaders of all walks of society.
 
deedle said:
I can't find Jack McGinn's age, but Kevin Kelly is 81 - a few years younger than Hugh Adam when the media interviewed him in 2012. Hugh Adam passed away later that year.

Why have there been no interviews with this pair?

Jack McGinn was largely responsible for setting up the Celtic View in the mid-60s. A fair number of journos now plying their trade as football writers started off at the Celtic View - of course, most of these people seem to believe they're still writing for it.
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Read an article that stated he was 70 in 2003,quick calculation makes him around 86 now.
 
deedle said:
I can't find Jack McGinn's age, but Kevin Kelly is 81 - a few years younger than Hugh Adam when the media interviewed him in 2012. Hugh Adam passed away later that year.

Why have there been no interviews with this pair?

Jack McGinn was largely responsible for setting up the Celtic View in the mid-60s. A fair number of journos now plying their trade as football writers started off at the Celtic View - of course, most of these people seem to believe they're still writing for it.
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McGinn is in his 80s as well.

If a lot of todays journos started at the Celtic View, then I guess there is your answer.

Another man who isnt mentioned is KKs ex Lord Provost brother Michael. Did he know what was going on at CBC while he was in office?
 
tangledupinblue said:
You are fúcking darn tootin'.

The Labour Party and Celtic were in cahoots for generations. Labour bent over backwards to accomodate them for Land Deals, Commonwealth Games backhanders. Need a listed building knocked down cos it's in your road? Nooooo problem, etc, etc. All their voters jumped ship when they realised the party their forefathers voted for was a Pro Unionist party after the Scottish Referendum. So what happens now? The SNP did a deed with the devil and have welcomed them and will do what they want if they can to please them until that is used and abused. By that time there will be a Republican Party set up anyway if we don't act now and get off our lazy arses. Anyway rant over here's more dodgy dealings. I don't do Twitter and urge anyone to spread the links on the tangled web of corrupt bastards.

https://footballtaxhavens.wordpress...h-coal-deep-mine-company-limited-liquidation/
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I have a recollection, on your point above, that they were allowed to buy a number of streets at the north east corner of the ground, including Janefield St, for £1 each from the council. I’m sure it was labour. And almost every one of their committee who agreed it were Celtic fans ?

Does anyone else remember this ?
 
Bobafett Bear said:
I also know off another visit to the Florida in the US,Torbett took a handful of lads to a friends villa,think there was 5-8 lads there,Andrew was there and said no abuse took place for him as he was sharing a room with another player.

I was under the impression it was under the umbrella of CBC,but later I found out they didn’t have enough lads there to make a footy team and it was payed for by CFC,I think eventually in all it was paid by Torbett.

Wouldn’t be cheap in the 90’s and I wonder who and what maybe happened there,part of another grooming tool.

Did anyone else get abused on that trip,and who’s villa was it they stayed at?

Sure that Gilbert was there.
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I would say that all trips should be under scrutiny BB, from what we know so far they would stop at nothing to satisfy their beastly urges. That particular trip sounds like they were visiting people like themselves, almost an exchange trip.
 
Humbug said:
I would say that all trips should be under scrutiny BB, from what we know so far they would stop at nothing to satisfy their beastly urges. That particular trip sounds like they were visiting people like themselves, almost an exchange trip.
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100% agree H,and there was another lads visit to Fuengirola in Spain,why would any middle age man want to take a handful of teenagers on trips abroad to the US and Europe,it’s plainly obvious now!
 
Bobafett Bear said:
100% agree H,and there was another lads visit to Fuengirola in Spain,why would any middle age man want to take a handful of teenagers on trips abroad to the US and Europe,it’s plainly obvious now!
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Sadly all we can hope for now is that all the sordid details are made a matter of public record and the information used as how to spot any potential predatory behaviour early to get it stopped in its tracks.

There are so many questions needing to be answered from those already convicted and the others who have not had the light shone on them at this Club and their subsidiary businesses/fronts.
Anyone connected to the convicted in a business partnership should be scrutinised thoroughly.
 
Blues and Royals said:
There’s enough evidence in this thread alone for the lawyers representing the victims and ultimately for the powers that be to do their duty and shut Celtic down.
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You know the galling thing mate?Nearly all the "evidence" has always been there in plain sight and our so called journalists,politicians,police and moral crusaders have refused to acknowledge it. I'm disgusted and angry that these horrible people have got away with this for so long and destroyed the lives of victims and their families.
 
Re: McGinn. He doesn't look too well atm. Seen pictures of him at Wembley for the Aston Villa game and at Stephen McGinn's wedding.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
That’s what makes me question Kelly. Was there someone high up protecting / mentoring them mate ?
There were rumours many years ago about Chris White taking kids on the Glasgow Euston overnight train too. Always expected that to break but it never did.
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To think otherwise is just plain daft.

The Celtic Board of the time were up to their necks in the whole sordid business and all directors since then to the present day are complicit in the cover up. Furthermore, every manager since Jock Stein knew what was/had gone on.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-barry-bennell-cousin-mothers-sister-murdered

Andy Woodward interview re getting abused by Bennell

Article and reporter names some of the beasts at Nonce FC

Harrowing and given the extent of the numbers it’s a cancer that needs cut out yet we have a mhedia up here who have suppressed this scandal

SNP Govt refusing to tackle the abuse at Nonce FC needs investigated too
 
Humbug said:
Good timeline of events here, an interesting part for me is 1989 The Trophy centre, I always wondered how the funds were raised to start that business. But it looks like it wasn't only Torbett who were in at the very start.


  • 1966: Celtic Boys’ Club is founded by Jim Torbett, who had previously been involved in Glasgow youth football.
  • 1968: Allegations of abuse begin.
  • 1970: Frank Cairney joins club.
  • 1976: Jock Stein ousts Jim Torbett as Boys’ Club general manager after allegations that boys were being sexually abused. Torbett is replaced by Frank Cairney. Hugh Birt (a photographer and Celtic associate) is made chairman.
  • 1978: Jock Stein leaves the club.
  • 1982: John Cullen joins the club as photographer.
  • 1985: Jock Stein dies.
  • 1989: Jim Torbett creates a new business – The Trophy Centre – alongside Honorary President of the Boy’s Club and Celtic board member, Kevin Kelly, plus Gerald McAleer, former youth player under Torbett, and Angus Yuile who was company secretary.
  • 1991: A youth team member raises allegations of abuse against Cairney that happened during a trip to New Jersey. His father takes him to Celtic Park to meet with new manager, Liam Brady, and chief scout, John Kelman. Brady approaches the board and demands Cairney leave the club. He resigns as general manager and part-time coach and the club announce this is due to ‘business commitments’. The boy is assured that his allegations would not affect his future career at the club. It was also agreed between Celtic, Brady, the boy and his parents that the police would not be informed. Signed statements were taken from four adults who were also on the New Jersey trip. They were all sworn to secrecy.
  • 1993: Torbett is asked back to the club to help them raise funds via memorabilia sales. He eventually also returns to the Boy’s Club.
  • 1994: Fergus McCann joins Celtic and immediately receives an anonymous letter detailing years of abuse at the club. Adamant the persistent rumours should no longer be brushed under the carpet, he calls in Torbett and asks him to meet with the club’s lawyers to sign an affidavit either admitting or denying claims of abuse which could then be passed to police. Torbett refuses.
  • 1994: Celtic fan, Gerry McSherry appears on a radio programme to question the transfer of a young player. Within days he received a number of calls making allegations of untoward behaviour at the Boy’s Club. McSherry began his own investigation.
  • 1994: New Celtic boss Tommy Burns attempts to bring Frank Cairney back to Parkstead. Fergus McCann refuses following outrage from fans in New Jersey.
  • Aug 1996: The Daily Record runs an expose on abuse at Celtic involving Torbett and Cairney. In the following days, former Scotland star Alan Brazil, David Gordon and John McClusky tell The Daily Record of abuse by Torbett when when they were members of the Celtic Boys’ Club. McSherry is contracted to The Daily Record. A further former player, Scott Sinclair, also comes forward claiming that Cairney would abuse boys in his van. Cairney refuted the allegations and denied knowing Sinclair. In response Sinclair handed a photograph to The Daily Record which was a picture of the whole team, including both Sinclair and Cairney.
  • Aug 1996: After the story broke, Burns rushed to Cairney’s home (a man he considered a close friend). He told waiting reporters “He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man“. The following day, an angry McCann issued a statement to the press stating: “While I sympathise with Tommy Burns’ personal position as a friend of Mr Cairney, the club cannot condone or defend or take sides in a matter which involves a criminal complaint“. In response, Burns said he had been misquoted and actually said: “He has my backing and I’m sure he will have the backing of several members of the first team who played for Frank at under-16 level“. Torbett went in to hiding at the home of two former youth players – William and Andrew Gilbert.
  • Aug 1996: A meeting between five men was held in Boston’s Airport where a secret deal was agreed allowing Cairney to resign immediately so as to avoid a police investigation. Celtic chairman, Jack McGinn, allowed Cairney’s written resignation to say it was for “business reasons”. The impromptu meeting consisted of Cairney, Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson.
  • Aug 1996: The Trophy Centre sponsors the Scottish Amateur Youth leagues.
  • Aug 1996: Brady agrees not to go to the police. He then went on to be head of the Arsenal youth team.
  • Oct 1996: Torbett charged with sex offences.
  • May 1997: Record team win Reporter of the Year award for investigations into sex abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club.
  • Aug 1997: The Court of Appeal lifted a gagging order that had banned the press from reporting on the court trial of Torbett and Cairney.
  • Nov 1998: Torbett stands trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court charged with molesting three youngsters in his care including Alan Brazil. He is found guilty and jailed for two years.
  • 2000: Torbett resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
  • 2002: Cleaners find a bin bag full of obscene photographs of boys in a store room at Parkstead. John Cullen, club photographer, is immediately dismissed. He is subsequently found guilty of ‘lewd and libidinous’ behaviour. His lenient sentence causes outrage.
  • 2005: Kevin Kelly resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
Further connections:

A number of photographs are freely available on the internet of Jimmy Savile and/or the Father O’Connell with different board members.



Celtic was also linked to the notorious St Joseph’s College Roman Catholic boarding school which was rocked by appalling allegations of abuse. It was run by the Marist Brother Order. Interestingly, the team Athletico Bilbao was started by former pupils of the college.



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Good work.

1986 - Celtic View publish that they have found no evidence to back up unsubstantiated rumours concering abuse. (Conveniently carried out after the death of Jock Stein)
 
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Momentum is steadily building here with different revelations appearing daily. It's almost as if someone is drip feeding information as part of a planned strategy.
Will soon reach the stage where CFC are overwhelmed by the flow of adverse criticism as public opinion hardens against them & demands for a full independent public enquiry gain traction.
As a famous roman emperor said "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out".
 
The_Hammer1990 said:
Something stands out in regards to Tommy Burns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he was a part of it. There’s no way he didn’t know what was going on, so why would he be so chummy with them?

Was he abused by them, and eventually became one of them?

Something doesn’t add up.
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My theory is that Burns was thick and a really superstitious -medieval type - of RC. He probably believed that if the Church, Bishops and priests had 'forgiven' his pals then they were genuinely back in the fold again. It is more idiotic Popery for me than him being involved.
 
ShootYouDown said:
You know the galling thing mate?Nearly all the "evidence" has always been there in plain sight and our so called journalists,politicians,police and moral crusaders have refused to acknowledge it. I'm disgusted and angry that these horrible people have got away with this for so long and destroyed the lives of victims and their families.
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You’re spot on SYD. Nearly everything we have accessed has been from news articles.

They have been dragged to this point. No genuine interest in equity & justice.
 
CD Bear said:
Momentum is steadily building here with different revelations appearing daily. It's almost as if someone is drip feeding information as part of a planned strategy.
Will soon reach the stage where CFC are overwhelmed by the flow of adverse criticism as public opinion hardens against them & demands for a full independent public enquiry gain traction.
As a famous roman emperor said "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out".
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Once it crystallises to the point where hacks fear that continuing to excuse them, or even just keep schtum, risks being labelled a paedophile apologist, they’re sunk.
 
Earl of Leven said:
tangledupinblue is also correct in saying - and this is wrong thread - that in a few years we will see SNP ditched for a Scottish Republican Party which will be pro Yes, and jam packed with every single c*** who hates us.
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Agree. The republicans have jumped in their SNP bus as a vehicle of convenience.
If we don’t stop them they’ll jump into their Ferrari’s as soon as independence is achieved & they’ll take over this sordid country for good.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
Didn’t know that. I never put Michael Kelly in the dodgy category, I have to say deedle. Before I knew this.
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Kelly doesn’t surprise me. You only have to remember him live on STV right in front of Chris Graham fuming that Rangers were cheats who should be stripped of titles which should in turn be awarded to Celtic. An uncontrollable display of bigotry and hatred right in front of our very eyes, spit and saliva all over the top of his jacket.
The very epitome of that toxic organisation.
 
Blues and Royals said:
Kelly doesn’t surprise me. You only have to remember him live on STV right in front of Chris Graham fuming that Rangers were cheats who should be stripped of titles which should in turn be awarded to Celtic. An uncontrollable display of bigotry and hatred right in front of our very eyes, spit and saliva all over the top of his jacket.
The very epitome of that toxic organisation.
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Never doubted he hated us, or was a bigot mate.
That support of Torbett is the first one that suggests he may be involved in my eyes.
Kevin Kelly & White ? Now that’s different.
 
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