Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

'During the year, a number of individuals were found guilty of historic offences committed against young people'.

or in layman's terms:

During the year, a number of former employees were finally sent down for raping children

Justice came over half a century too late.

CBC formed in 1966

'76... '86... '96... '06... '16...
 
yardie said:
Hopefully the announced amount is the maximum spread over his contract based on appearances and Arsenal's success during that time, you know what the scum are like with PR. I normally like the Gunners but ................ feck me, I hope they struggle with injuries for a wee while.
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Scum announced to the LSE that the Transfer fee was a “record single amount of £25 million”.

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A few Glasgow schools football associations runners up medals and a couple west district winners shields in the loft,I fucking know these came from that shît tip business that bastard Torbett ran,I just know it.

There was stickers been peeled off them form under shields base,I think I ripped them off years ago before all this came out with them.
 
coolatballet said:
Let's face it. There has never been an internal investigation. There has been a long running assessment of the club and the insurers respective potential liabilities and the formulation of a strategy to minimise said liabilities.

Also, separate entity is not a busted flush. Just because the SFA are saying that they expect clubs to accept responsibility for feeder clubs and boys clubs activities means nothing in law. It is for the courts to decide this issue.
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To be fair mate, the courts decided the law wasn't the law in a court of law when they doled out the "common sense tells you" line.
 
coolatballet said:
I am not getting your point with you on that one.
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In our tax case, the judge ruled against us where EBTs were legal common sense told you it was a tax avoidance scheme which basically fucked us rather than sticking to the letter of the law, so, letting the courts decide still can't be guaranteed to fall on the side of the victims of abuse.
 
The Clunge Taster said:
In our tax case, the judge ruled against us where EBTs were legal common sense told you it was a tax avoidance scheme which basically fucked us rather than sticking to the letter of the law, so, letting the courts decide still can't be guaranteed to fall on the side of the victims of abuse.
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I get your point and agree that there are no guarantees in courts of law. That is why I say that the courts might accept the separate entity claim on a point of law rather than on the quite obvious moral grounds to reject the argument.

The more info that we can find to discredit the separate entity claim, the better chance that the argument is doomed.
 
coolatballet said:
I get your point and agree that there are no guarantees in courts of law. That is why I say that the courts might accept the separate entity claim on a point of law rather than on the quite obvious moral grounds to reject the argument.

The more info that we can find to discredit the separate entity claim, the better chance that the argument is doomed.
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You don't need to worry about that mate honestly
 
Timskelper said:
I'd urge everyone to get on their elected MSP, or better still, contact ALL of the MSP's. We can all make a difference in calling for an independent public inquiry into child abuse within sport in Scotland.

Some may find it easy to write an email, some may find it rather daunting, I get that, but all it really needs is you asking for a public independent inquiry. That's it. Perhaps two sentences. No need to pen a book, just express your opinion in a few words. They all achieve their aim, so in football terms, a goal's a goal.

I've made it easy to do just that by adding the link below. The site makes it incredibly simple and also efficient in contacting as many as you see fit. You can also use the filters (tick box) to find particular parties if required. I'm contacting the lot of them.

Current and previous MSPs

www.parliament.scot www.parliament.scot

That's all of the Labour ones done as I work through the list. I'll save the SNP's until last.
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As TS says, this is something we ALL can do. It doesn't take much to cobble 2 or 3 paragraphs together, essentially saying "We want an independent public inquiry into child abuse within sport in Scotland" and sending it to every MSP.

We only need ONE email, copied and pasted to each MSP. It may take an hour or so, but when you think of the time and effort some posters are expending, an hour or so is nothing in comparison.

One important thing to remember is MAKE SURE THE SPELLING IS CORRECT. In business letters, it used to infuriate me that others would sign letters containing spelling errors - to me it said they couldn't care less, and we don't want to give that impression to the MSPs

I urge everyone to do their bit for a very important campaign.
 
coolatballet said:
I get your point and agree that there are no guarantees in courts of law. That is why I say that the courts might accept the separate entity claim on a point of law rather than on the quite obvious moral grounds to reject the argument.

The more info that we can find to discredit the separate entity claim, the better chance that the argument is doomed.
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they had power to hire and fire

jock stein literally booted torbett out of the boys club

it should take about 5 seconds for myth to be put to rest
 
Nacho Novo said:
"FOOTIE paedo Jim Torbett is protected in jail by sex offenders in awe of his link to Celtic, sources said today.

The manipulative beast, 72, relies on rapists Steven Sprott, 45, and John Rooney, 49, to see off any enemies behind bars."

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4778050/celtic-jim-torbett-boys-club-dumfries/
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If they are protected inside by nonces, what will happen to them when they are eventually released? Nothing I'd guess, the sentences are so short, their own scum supporters will defend them no doubt. For crying out loud, McCafferty will be living rent free in his protected house for life thanks to a scummy factor.

It's been something I've been thinking about lately, given that celtc are to be sued by at least 20 child sex abuse victims within weeks’. Especially after a review concluded it was ‘intextricably’ linked to the Boys Club. If these court cases commence soon (one would imagine one at a time to ensure success) and an all important precedent is initially set. Then surely the likes of torbett and mcCafferty et al will all be called to court to give evidence. They will have to be transported and taken to court, away from their minders. So when out of their comfort zone they will likely mix with 'ordinary' criminals - it must be a worry for them that during these periods they will be exposed to potential harm. Shame eh?

During these trials, will those peadophiles that have already been prosecuted and sentenced already have to appoint and pay for legal representation, or are they just called as witnesses? Surely if additional cases are heard and they are found guilty then there will be additional charges against them resulting in extensions to their current sentences?

Also, as the cases progress and the massive "cover up" that has been perpetuated by this horrible disgusting club for nearly half a century is uncovered, surely this will result in those responsible for failing to act being charged. So there will likely be:
1. additional charges for the paedophiles,
2. new charges for those that protected them and those that re-employed them,
3. additional charges for those involved in facilitating the abuse,
4. new charges for those that were involved with the alleged NDA's. etc.

We should watch these court cases closely, there's a danger we won't be able to keep track of those found guilty. Pretty soon the animals currently serving sentences won't need any protection at all, because most of their fellow inmates will be celtc nonces, peado protectors and facilitators.
 
. So when out of their comfort zone they will likely mix with 'ordinary' criminals - it must be a worry for them that during these periods they will be exposed to potential harm.
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It is very unlikely that they will suffer anything but verbal abuse, if at all, as the Prison Officers are very efficient at this aspect of their job.
 
PAEDOPHILE kitman Jim McCafferty was reported to police and the SFA over abuse claims in the 90s but was able to continue his career in Scottish football, the Daily Record can reveal.
McCafferty was sacked by Celtic FC when an angry parent confronted him in 1996 over an allegation of sexual assault.
The police were called in to investigate but he wasn’t prosecuted and continued to work in Scottish football following a break in Ireland.
McCafferty was finally snared after the Record extracted a full confession from him. Earlier this year, he was jailed for abusing young footballers.
The pervert, now 73, was a coach and kitman for the Celtic youth team. He also worked for Celtic Boys Club. He headed to Ireland for “family reasons” after being sacked by Celtic.
But he was later able to slip back into Scotland and resume his career in football with Hibernian and Falkirk.
He later carried out repeated sexual abuse of a boy in Northern Ireland, who was 13 at the time.
Police Scotland confirmed that they investigated abuse claims against McCafferty in the 90s but he was never prosecuted.
A spokeswoman said: “Inquiries were carried out in the 90s into allegations made at that time.
“No charges were brought.”
One of his victims last night demanded to know why McCafferty wasn’t prosecuted in the 90s and how he was able to resume his career in youth football.
The victim said: “This is disgusting. To think it was known he was a paedophile and it did not seem to affect his career is shattering to me.
“If I had known in 1996 that there were other victims, I would have come forward at that point.
“Instead, I lived with that abuse for another 20 years.”
Previously, it was thought McCafferty left Celtic because abuse claims relating to a time before he joined the club began to emerge.
But the Record understands he was sacked by Celtic and reported to the police and the SFA in 1996 as a result of the intervention of an irate parent at a club social event he had attended.
The then Celtic supremo Fergus McCann sacked McCafferty.
It is not known who reported him to police.
A source said: “It is clear that McCafferty was outed by a parent at a social event and that was why he disappeared from Celtic.
“He was confronted by an angry parent. But somehow McCafferty simply left the country, saying he had a family issue in Ireland.
“Then, a wee while later, he’s back in Scotland and he’s back working as a football coach. How could that have been allowed to happen?
“At the very least, any disclosure process should have identified him as a risk to young boys. And he should have been properly investigated by both the police and the SFA.
“But instead, this vile predator was allowed to continue working in Scottish football as if he was a normal person. It beggars belief.”
The victim added: “It is absolutely sickening. I look on it as another 20 years of my life wasted. I’ve carried this, thinking that I was the only person who was abused.
“If that had come out in 1996, I wouldn’t have hesitated in coming forward about my abuse. That’s the impact this has.
“There’s not one person in the world I spoke to about the abuse until that day I phoned the Daily Record.
“My own family didn’t even know. Even then, it was because of what I saw with the abuse in football emerging in England.
“I thought, ‘My god, finally I’m going to speak to someone about this’.”
The victim’s testimony in 2016 led the Record to track down McCafferty in Northern Ireland.
The SFA is conducting an independent review of sexual abuse in Scottish football.
Investigations are being carried out by a former detective superintendent and a Children 1st specialist. McCafferty admitted his years of abuse when we confronted him in 2016.
He was convicted of the offences in Northern Ireland, carried out when he was aged 66 to 68.
At the High Court in Edinburgh in May this year, he admitted 12 charges related to child sex abuse against 10 teenage boys between 1972 and 1996.
He was sentenced to six years and nine months in prison to add to the three years and nine months jail term he was given in Northern Ireland.
Most of McCafferty’s victims played for youth teams he ran in North Lanarkshire.
Four played for Celtic Boys Club and Celtic youth team. They were aged between 14 and 17.
Some victims developed mental health problems as a result of the abuse.
Judge Lord Beckett said McCafferty was “physically intimidating” and used his “overpowering” nature to achieve his “depraved objectives” of abusing young boys.
He added: “You were adept at identifying the circumstances of different boys so that you could manipulate them and, in some cases, their parents in a variety of ways.
“All of this was done to facilitate your sexual abuse of children.”
McCafferty had previously said he did not know the true number of boys he abused.
He was the fourth man connected to either Celtic or Celtic Boys’ Club to be found guilty of historical child sex abuse.
Last November, Boys’ Club founder Jim Torbett, 71, was jailed for six years for sexually abusing three boys over eight years.
Earlier this year, Boys’ Club former chairman, Gerald King, 66, was given a three-year probation order for sexually abusing four boys and a girl in the 80s.
And in February, Frank Cairney, 84, a former manager of the Boys’ Club, was jailed for four years after being convicted of nine charges of sexually abusing young footballers.
No one at the SFA was available for comment.
 
George Goudie said:
If they are protected inside by nonces, what will happen to them when they are eventually released? Nothing I'd guess, the sentences are so short, their own scum supporters will defend them no doubt. For crying out loud, McCafferty will be living rent free in his protected house for life thanks to a scummy factor.

It's been something I've been thinking about lately, given that celtc are to be sued by at least 20 child sex abuse victims within weeks’. Especially after a review concluded it was ‘intextricably’ linked to the Boys Club. If these court cases commence soon (one would imagine one at a time to ensure success) and an all important precedent is initially set. Then surely the likes of torbett and mcCafferty et al will all be called to court to give evidence. They will have to be transported and taken to court, away from their minders. So when out of their comfort zone they will likely mix with 'ordinary' criminals - it must be a worry for them that during these periods they will be exposed to potential harm. Shame eh?

During these trials, will those peadophiles that have already been prosecuted and sentenced already have to appoint and pay for legal representation, or are they just called as witnesses? Surely if additional cases are heard and they are found guilty then there will be additional charges against them resulting in extensions to their current sentences?

Also, as the cases progress and the massive "cover up" that has been perpetuated by this horrible disgusting club for nearly half a century is uncovered, surely this will result in those responsible for failing to act being charged. So there will likely be:
1. additional charges for the paedophiles,
2. new charges for those that protected them and those that re-employed them,
3. additional charges for those involved in facilitating the abuse,
4. new charges for those that were involved with the alleged NDA's. etc.

We should watch these court cases closely, there's a danger we won't be able to keep track of those found guilty. Pretty soon the animals currently serving sentences won't need any protection at all, because most of their fellow inmates will be celtc nonces, peado protectors and facilitators.
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Good post GG.

Vermin protecting their own eh?

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Steven Sprott – Kilmarnock

July 2018 Rapist and domestic abuser jailed for nine years A man found guilty of a catalogue of domestic abuse, including the rape of one of his partners, has been jailed for nine years. Steven Spr…
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John Rooney – Kelso

September 2015 Kelso man jailed for sex assault on 11-year-old girl A Kelso man who sexually assaulted an 11-year-old girl has been jailed for four years. John Rooney, 46, attacked the child, who c…
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I do hope you're right with your last paragraph. Many people, including many well known people in authority/power, will/should be spending a long time in prison.

Patrick McGuire of Thompsons Solicitors is supposed to be taking CFC to court any day now, yet they still maintain the separate entity nonsense. I seriously want this mob destroyed, never to darken our door again. That's what SHOULD happen.

Just to add...please keep emailing your MSP's asking for an independent inquiry. We definitely are making some headway on this and have had support from many sources now. Please do it today if you can. There are a lot of people out there who will thank you for it.
 
yosser hughes said:
that piece looks to me me that it is attempting to paint them in a favourable light in this matter,by saying as soon as they knew ,they got shot of him,and it left us not knowing if it was them who called police.(i suspect it was not),but the article is to my mind trying to make us think it was them
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Spotted that as well, it could easily have been the parent who went to the police and it probably was otherwise they'd confirm it was Celtic.
 
wontoofree said:
As TS says, this is something we ALL can do. It doesn't take much to cobble 2 or 3 paragraphs together, essentially saying "We want an independent public inquiry into child abuse within sport in Scotland" and sending it to every MSP.

We only need ONE email, copied and pasted to each MSP. It may take an hour or so, but when you think of the time and effort some posters are expending, an hour or so is nothing in comparison.

One important thing to remember is MAKE SURE THE SPELLING IS CORRECT. In business letters, it used to infuriate me that others would sign letters containing spelling errors - to me it said they couldn't care less, and we don't want to give that impression to the MSPs

I urge everyone to do their bit for a very important campaign.
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I’ve went one further.
No more successful mind you.
I’m now asking why there is no public inquiry.
 
Ubik said:
if celtic have already paid out to a victim why arent the sfa citing them? its in their own rules that they can push onwards with punishments regardless of ongoing court cases so why the delay?
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The ongoing court case is as you say an irrelevant excuse, since their own rules permit action to be taken regardless.
It is simply an excuse for doing absolutely nothing. There are no valid reasons for not bringing disrepute charges against clubs when convictions have already been secured. There is also no reason why they are not punished separately for each conviction, where they have been complicit in crimes against children.
The SFA interim review "Recommendation 94" advises that all clubs participate in funding compensation for victims.
It looks as if their intention is that all Scottish clubs are punished for the behaviour of Celtc.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
BBS could you send details to me please mate by PM ? I’ll tie in behind the scenes & get back to you ?

We are very aware of lurkers going on the attack on MSPs who are supporting an Inquiry.

Thanks, GY
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The right thing to do from now on, anybody getting positive replies from MSP's or anywhere else for that matter there are people on here who would be very interested in seeing them as above names need to be removed for obvious reasons as stated
 
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