Covid providing opportunity for possible British set up?

KirkwallTrueBlue

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Rangers or Celtic for that matter will not play anywhere in England in our lifetime, our kids lifetime or our grandkids lifetime, it's not going to happen despite what damage any pandemic does to the sporting world of English football, they dont care about us and why should they ? They don't need us and with the money floating around England they never will need us.... Every other day this utter guff is brought up.
 

The_Hammer1990

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Swansea, 2012/13 Europa League round of 32, then EPL recently also. Where was UEFA then?

So Rangers most definitely can. Scotland, Wales & NI are not countries. The UK is. Rangers could not play in Spain, but we sure as anything can play in another nation inside of our state. Just like Swansea did, and still do under todays rules.
Wit fucking school did you go to? Hahahaha!
 

VivaGraemeMurty

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Swansea, 2012/13 Europa League round of 32, then EPL recently also. Where was UEFA then?

So Rangers most definitely can. Scotland, Wales & NI are not countries. The UK is. Rangers could not play in Spain, but we sure as anything can play in another nation inside of our state. Just like Swansea did, and still do under todays rules.
Swansea have played in English football for over 130 years. There is no comparison and this has been done to death for as long as I can remember.
 

DonDraper

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Swansea, 2012/13 Europa League round of 32, then EPL recently also. Where was UEFA then?

So Rangers most definitely can. Scotland, Wales & NI are not countries. The UK is. Rangers could not play in Spain, but we sure as anything can play in another nation inside of our state. Just like Swansea did, and still do under todays rules.
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The welsh clubs competing in England joined the english system prior to the formation of UEFA, one current UEFA rule is that if you have no professional league you can play in another country. Now that Wales has a professional league no Welsh clubs are now allowed to join the english system, current uefa rules allow any team who historically have played in a different country prior to UEFa forming are allowed to remain there.

The 4 home nations whilst Not being countries have an agreement that the 4 FAS have representation in UEFA, this means they have a national team, professional leagues and follow UEFa rules.

Yes we can take them to court but to win would take a decade when UEFa rules state that this would prohibit you from competing in UEFA competition and likely lead to the SFA withdrawing our domestivpc licence.

All in all it would take 20 years to get to the premiership and lose us ntold millions, meaning we couldn’t fund the opportunity.

Much better sitting back and allowing the changes that are going to happen naturally. Don’t be the Bosman who’s career
stalled and never recovered, be the player who later took advantage
 

DonDraper

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Yes they do Derry City from Northern Ireland play in the Republic of Ireland league set up ,
That’s because UEFA have a rule that stipulates any team who cannot play within their own country due to safety reasons are allowed to play in another league. There is no rule that says you can move because you fancy a move
 

iangrazza

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Covid 19 makes this less likely. Travel restrictions - physical and financial - will be around until we have a reliable vaccine. The cheap flights era has gone.
 

deedle

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It can’t happen because uefa don’t allow cross border movement
UEFA and FIFA are not as opposed as they were in the past and there has been talk of a possible Benelux league.

Less than two months ago Doncaster mentioned it and we know who Doncaster bats for.

What might have been impossible a decade or so ago may not be now.

We don’t know how many teams in England and Scotland will survive the virus crisis and it is very obvious financial considerations driven by TV are now paramount in football.
 

D-Von

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Anyone thinking Scotland or England are giving up their national teams just so a few clubs can make some money are delusional
 

OrigTommy

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UEFA are increasingly open to cross border leagues if it’s done in conjunction with them and no attempts to go rogue. They’ve shown support towards a Belgium/Netherlands merger.

I think previously I’d have shut this down as nonsense but we are in unchartered water. If a few major teams go bust down south then the bigger Championship teams could see this as an opportunity to breakaway. If so, they’d get willing partners to jump on board from Scotland in a heart beat.

We’d make this proposal compelling to broadcasters and I’m sure Sky (or whoever) would be very positive towards our presence as a key factor in investing more money.

Lets see how things develop.
 

Thornliebank_Bear

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I think we will get an invite to play league 1 that level needs Rangers its as dull as some of the bottom 6 relegation scraps/ fixtures we have up here. It will upset a lot of loyal fans or owners of smaller clubs below that but then the same thing happens in the CL. Tv interest and excitement is the most important part.

We should do everything possible to get out of here let the government in London know all about the corruption and how snp and tims have destroyed scottish football.

The sack Gerrard thread is just incredible people obviously still completely deluded thinking another manager just comes in beats Accies and everything is fine..titles ours. We need out its gone too far its an almost impossible job the board have dealing with all the corruption that sfa guy on stv last night is obviously another one thats ready to serve and assist Celtic as much and as often as possible.

No one has ever really explained why it wont happen, just nae chance. If rugby teams play each other in the Magners league or whatever it is called why not Rangers v Ipswich or away to Sunderland or Rotherham ?
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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We should certainly be exploring it imo. Many lower league clubs in England are struggling to survive this. There is talk that lower league football in Scotland might not get going next season either.

United Kingdom is the sovereign nation anyway, we should have had a British League and National Team a long time ago.
 

Coallie

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That’s because UEFA have a rule that stipulates any team who cannot play within their own country due to safety reasons are allowed to play in another league. There is no rule that says you can move because you fancy a move
Does political & religious prejudice not allow that , because that's what we suffer at this moment in time , a bit like what the nazi's did to the Jewish community in the early 30's minus the killings , media & Government propaganda against everything protestant / unionist making us the bag guys & we are to blame for everything all the bad negativity we get from the press Goebbels would be proud of .
 

DonDraper

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This isnt 25 years ago though when everything was rosey.

If there are countless clubs going to the wall due this pandemic the leagues on both sides of the border will need to seriosuly look at reconstruction.

He who dares Rodney, he who dares
Yes we know that covid may change things,the point I’m making is in response that we should move to England. We can’t just do that, we need the permission of the FAvand SFA ( no laughing) Who then have to take it to UEFA for approval. 1 club and 1 country won’t force any change, change if it’s coming will happen above us with multiple leagues and clubs demanding it. When that happens and cross border leagues happen then the top 20 clubs in Europe will cross border into their own league. If we spend 10 years trying to get to the English premiership then in all likelihood it won’t exist by the time we get there.
 

DonDraper

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Does political & religious prejudice not allow that , because that's what we suffer at this moment in time , a bit like what the nazi's did to the Jewish community in the early 30's minus the killings , media & Government propaganda against everything protestant / unionist making us the bag guys & we are to blame for everything all the bad negativity we get from the press Goebbels would be proud of .
Well actually I have thought about that, if we continue to have our players attacked it’s an avenue to explore
 

Derek1960

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It's not just us and/or Celtic that needs to get out of Scottish football. Scottish football needs to get out of 'Scottish football'.

Our game is so parochial & full of hate, simply because we are playing in a league where to finish second is failure. Unfortunately we can't just decide to leave, the SFA would never agree to it because the money we generate is too important to the smaller clubs.

Also, outside maybe half a dozen top clubs in England the rest of the English clubs don't want us as it would diminish their chances of being in the top division.

It would take political pressure outwith football to bring any change. I've always felt the unionist politicians missed a trick after the 2014 referendum to try & create a British league. Most politicians have little interest in football, but they underestimate the power & influence it has over so many people's feelings. It can be a useful political tool.

The Scottish league becoming part of a U.K. wide pyramid with the SPFL fitting in at equivalent to League One level could be possible with the right support and would allow the opportunity for all clubs to progress higher. I would even settle for fitting in at tier five National League level.

European football would be harder to achieve and FIFA might abolish the Scottish national team which would displease the nationalists, but that Is no great loss.

With sport currently suspended and clubs facing an uncertain future this would be as good a time as any to push for change.
Have often thought same. I think this would have been an excellent card to play ahead of an Independence Referendum.
 

marmaladebear

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It can’t happen because uefa don’t allow cross border movement
Mate I used to think the same, but I now believe we are living in a world where a significant proportion of people do not accept any organisation which says, "You can't do this or that." UEFA and FIFA are busted. Big clubs across Europe despise them. They would happily stab each other to ensure their own survival as the controlling body. Once this pandemic is hopefully over I can see a new reality dawning in football. Self preservation is all. When the dead and severely wounded of the clubs are all lying in the street, the strong will come along, help those that they think can bring something to the party and put a couple of rounds in those that have had their day. We need to be in a position to be at the party, or involved in deciding who gets an invite.
 

Jonathan E

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It's still unlikely but the current crisis throws up at least an outside chance that something could happen.

Not in the Premiership but the lower leagues and the Championship are facing a meltdown. Particularly the Championship where clubs are already exceeding wages above income.

TV will ultimately decide, not the blazers.
 

nelster

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You cant dismiss it out of hand

Its the optimal moment for it to happen

That doesnt mean it is likely

But it has to mean Rangers are thinking / asking
 

deedle

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Anyone thinking Scotland or England are giving up their national teams just so a few clubs can make some money are delusional
I don’t see how it would lead to the end of national teams. Probably only two Scottish clubs would ever be involved.

Derry City got permission to play in the League of Ireland, so even before these unprecedented times there was flexibility.

Much will hinge on what the next 12 months brings.
 

Ricksen

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The English would never have celtic in a million years because they know the poison they would bring. The GB would cause riots at every away game with their anti-British stuff.

But they might have us. We aren’t perfect but we wouldn’t cause that much of a stir down there.

You never know we might play cetic again. Pumping them out of a European competition. That possibility alone is worth pursuing this with every fibre of our being.
 

strathavenbear

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The only way it's likely to happen will be if the top English sides join a European league.
I've been hearing it will for 30 years, I expect to be hearing the same in another 30 years.
 

Ricksen

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Maybe because it might make it a bigger and better gravy train?
Im not sure what away supports are like in the premiership. I’m sure the big clubs always sell out their away allocations. But would clubs like stoke benefit from having another club guaranteed to bring an absolute smeg load of fans?
 

jackstar

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I would like to see the league cup be turned into a UK wide competition.

Could just put the Scottish Premiership, EPL and Welsh top division in from the start and exclude all the lower leagues.
Don't think the premiership teams would commit to sending out their best eleven ,I like the idea,but it would be as it is now with the likes of Liverpool probably sending out second string teams.
 
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