Dalian Atkinson Taser death:

MightyGersLand!

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Seeing as you were there and knew the thought process of the officer have you given a statement?
I'm still waiting my turn behind a queue of jumped up bacon sandwiches.
You know. The ones telling, no demanding people are wrong. Talking bollocks. Typing nonsense. And so forth...
It's ironic. When that kind of know it all. Listen to no one attitude sees you up on a murder charge.

I'll stick to being glad this killer is off the street, for the time being at least. Rather than playing judge, jury, executioner, lawyer and fiscal in a uniform.
 

MightyGersLand!

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I see what you did there. Intellectual debate is clearly not your forte.
You weren't looking for debate.
I just brought it down to your level.
Anyone who wants to give their opinion as fact, bark at people, and without debate or fact just furiously bash away that everyone else os wrong, talking shite, nonsense, doesn't really deserve seneible debate.
Probably gave you too much of my time already.

But I happen to resent publicly paid people who's wage is a fraction of my tax bill insinuating they are always right and I'm thick.
And while treating me like shit on their shoe, somehow feel I'm due them respect.
 

Subway Bear

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You weren't looking for debate.
I just brought it down to your level.
Anyone who wants to give their opinion as fact, bark at people, and without debate or fact just furiously bash away that everyone else os wrong, talking shite, nonsense, doesn't really deserve seneible debate.
Probably gave you too much of my time already.

But I happen to resent publicly paid people who's wage is a fraction of my tax bill insinuating they are always right and I'm thick.
And while treating me like shit on their shoe, somehow feel I'm due them respect.
Na, your trying to hard now
 

Blue Goose

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You weren't looking for debate.
I just brought it down to your level.
Anyone who wants to give their opinion as fact, bark at people, and without debate or fact just furiously bash away that everyone else os wrong, talking shite, nonsense, doesn't really deserve seneible debate.
Probably gave you too much of my time already.

But I happen to resent publicly paid people who's wage is a fraction of my tax bill insinuating they are always right and I'm thick.
And while treating me like shit on their shoe, somehow feel I'm due them respect.
What happened to you that makes you hate the Police that much? A fraction of your tax bill you say? So either your new money , an overpaid individual or business owner. Notwithstanding this you clearly have a distain of authority. You simply must tell us. You're anger requires release.

You talk about barking at people yet you talk about "bacon sandwiches". What age are you? 12? Surely you can concede that everyone,except yourself, has provided a reasonable post on this thread?
 

MightyGersLand!

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What happened to you that makes you hate the Police that much? A fraction of your tax bill you say? So either your new money , an overpaid individual or business owner. Notwithstanding this you clearly have a distain of authority. You simply must tell us. You're anger requires release.

You talk about barking at people yet you talk about "bacon sandwiches". What age are you? 12? Surely you can concede that everyone,except yourself, has provided a reasonable post on this thread?
I read you like a book from a few lines and now your covering every possible base to try have a dig.
If you think every post bar mine are reasonable your in your own wee world.
Policemen don't constitute authority.
I have no problem with real authority.

You seem to believe everyone, level with or above rock steady constitutes authority. Maybe start there and tell us where that comes from. I might open up then if I see you do so first.
And take your time. To intelligently think out another one of your killer responses.
 

Blue Goose

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I read you like a book from a few lines and now your covering every possible base to try have a d3ig.
If you think every post bar mine are reasonable your in your own wee world.
Policemen don't constitute authority.
I have no problem with real authority.

You seem to believe everyone, level with or above rock steady constitutes authority. Maybe start there and tell us where that comes from. I might open up then if I see you do so first.
And take your time. To intelligently think out another one of your killer responses.
But the fact is that the Police are seen by nearly everyone as a sign of authority, rightly or wrongly. Worldwide. Of course there are instances when things go wrong and a death of anyone is a tragedy however you and I are not privvy to the facts.

So can you elaborate on what is real authority? I'm genuinely intrigued.
 

Thommo2006

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I'm still waiting my turn behind a queue of jumped up bacon sandwiches.
You know. The ones telling, no demanding people are wrong. Talking bollocks. Typing nonsense. And so forth...
It's ironic. When that kind of know it all. Listen to no one attitude sees you up on a murder charge.

I'll stick to being glad this killer is off the street, for the time being at least. Rather than playing judge, jury, executioner, lawyer and fiscal in a uniform.
What's up you get lifted for something but it's not your fault all the cops are bent and they all are after you?
 

Commentator

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You weren't looking for debate.
I just brought it down to your level.
Anyone who wants to give their opinion as fact, bark at people, and without debate or fact just furiously bash away that everyone else os wrong, talking shite, nonsense, doesn't really deserve seneible debate.
Probably gave you too much of my time already.

But I happen to resent publicly paid people who's wage is a fraction of my tax bill insinuating they are always right and I'm thick.
And while treating me like shit on their shoe, somehow feel I'm due them respect.
WTF is wrong with you?
 

Spin City

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You weren't looking for debate.
I just brought it down to your level.
Anyone who wants to give their opinion as fact, bark at people, and without debate or fact just furiously bash away that everyone else os wrong, talking shite, nonsense, doesn't really deserve seneible debate.
Probably gave you too much of my time already.

But I happen to resent publicly paid people who's wage is a fraction of my tax bill insinuating they are always right and I'm thick.
And while treating me like shit on their shoe, somehow feel I'm due them respect.
A fraction of your tax bill..?

You wouldn't by chance be wealthy enough to possess a car big and expensive enough to think you own the road and then get upset when Cops pull you up for speeding, would you..?
 

Dougoi7

Active Member
Much like people who hate cops.

Don't be a criminal or a chav and you'll be perfectly fine..
if it makes me a wanker because i dont like police,then thats fine by me,
what are you,by the way,if you do like police?

try telling that to one of the many framed or fitted up by our boys in blue
 

Spin City

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if it makes me a wanker because i dont like police,then thats fine by me,
what are you,by the way,if you do like police?

try telling that to one of the many framed or fitted up by our boys in blue
I neither like nor dislike the Police, but they have a hard and very often thankless job and 99.9% of them are decent and conscientious. Like every profession they have their share of cunts and arseholes, but then again you find cunts and arseholes in every walk of life and they're far more numerous on the streets than they are in the Police Force.

Not everyone who is Guilty is Guilty but then again not everyone who claims they are innocent is innocent either.
 

Rangerstid72

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I'll stick to expert opinion thanks. Rather than the thoughts of a crank on FF.
Hopefully piggy goes down for a few years.
Typical police know it all and can do what I like attitude has seen this thug in a uniform get a bit of karma, hell mend him.
And I'm a crank! You got it wrong and gone off the reservation.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps I do know what I'm talking about, and what I posted is fact and not an opinion? You have the officer tried and convicted before you know the facts. Piggy? Think you need to grow up.
 

MightyGersLand!

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And I'm a crank! You got it wrong and gone off the reservation.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps I do know what I'm talking about, and what I posted is fact and not an opinion? You have the officer tried and convicted before you know the facts. Piggy? Think you need to grow up.
He killed someone, that's a fact.
I've not once stated it was definitely murder, so no I don't have him anything.
I do hope he's punished for his actions.

I've quoted a link to a study on taser deaths, maybe you could share your credentials? What makes you an authority on their use, benefits and risks?
No one sharing facts and telling people they are categorically wrong has yet told us which area of taser study, medicine or science they actually work in which I find odd.
 

Blue Goose

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The sad thing here is that
He killed someone, that's a fact.
I've not once stated it was definitely murder, so no I don't have him anything.
I do hope he's punished for his actions.

I've quoted a link to a study on taser deaths, maybe you could share your credentials? What makes you an authority on their use, benefits and risks?
No one sharing facts and telling people they are categorically wrong has yet told us which area of taser study, medicine or science they actually work in which I find odd.
Yet again you are wrong. It's not Fact. A person has died as a result of his possible actions. Albeit he's been charged it's for a JURY to determine his guilt. Not you nor I. You do know how the criminal justice system works don't you? You're having a mare on this thread.
 

Rangerstid72

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He killed someone, that's a fact.
I've not once stated it was definitely murder, so no I don't have him anything.
I do hope he's punished for his actions.

I've quoted a link to a study on taser deaths, maybe you could share your credentials? What makes you an authority on their use, benefits and risks?
No one sharing facts and telling people they are categorically wrong has yet told us which area of taser study, medicine or science they actually work in which I find odd.
After reading the replies you have received I almost feel sorry for you. But then calling fellow Rangers fans you believe are police officers childish names I think you are pathetic. You've had replies and opinions from posters who have a working knowledge of Tasers, yet you still contradict and make misinformed statenents, ie, taser to the heart. No-one is disputing that someone died, and that is terrible. We dont even know if taser caused it or even contributed. That is why i wont condemn the officers. I won't be replying to any more of your posts as they are getting a bit paranoid.
 

MightyGersLand!

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The sad thing here is that


Yet again you are wrong. It's not Fact. A person has died as a result of his possible actions. Albeit he's been charged it's for a JURY to determine his guilt. Not you nor I. You do know how the criminal justice system works don't you? You're having a mare on this thread.
Sorry but your confused on this.
He killed the guy. A jury will decide of it was deliberate or not and to what extent. Yet your questioning me?
 

MightyGersLand!

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After reading the replies you have received I almost feel sorry for you. But then calling fellow Rangers fans you believe are police officers childish names I think you are pathetic. You've had replies and opinions from posters who have a working knowledge of Tasers, yet you still contradict and make misinformed statenents, ie, taser to the heart. No-one is disputing that someone died, and that is terrible. We dont even know if taser caused it or even contributed. That is why i wont condemn the officers. I won't be replying to any more of your posts as they are getting a bit paranoid.
So I've to believe any of the anonymous names on a forum who've taken the huff when questioned? Over my own experience, respected medical and scientific opinion, when not one of you will quantify why you are of authority to tell people they are "cstegorically wrong", "talking nonsense", "bullshit", and then have the audacity to shout for sensible debate. Right you are.
 

Rangerstid72

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So I've to believe any of the anonymous names on a forum who've taken the huff when questioned? Over my own experience, respected medical and scientific opinion, when not one of you will quantify why you are of authority to tell people they are "cstegorically wrong", "talking nonsense", "bullshit", and then have the audacity to shout for sensible debate. Right you are.
"Taser to the heart, everyone knows you dont do that" sic: That was the post that qualified you as talkibg nonsense, well the first one.
So I've to believe any of the anonymous names on a forum who've taken the huff when questioned? Over my own experience, respected medical and scientific opinion, when not one of you will quantify why you are of authority to tell people they are "cstegorically wrong", "talking nonsense", "bullshit", and then have the audacity to shout for sensible debate. Right you are.
No one has taken the huff. You called people childish names. That excludes you from a sensible discussion. You have been wrong accept it and move on.
 

MightyGersLand!

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"Taser to the heart, everyone knows you dont do that" sic: That was the post that qualified you as talkibg nonsense, well the first one.

No one has taken the huff. You called people childish names. That excludes you from a sensible discussion. You have been wrong accept it and move on.

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Researchers looked at eight cases involving men and teen boys who lost consciousness after getting shocked by the TASER X26, a weapon widely used by law enforcement and the military.

In each case, the stun gun was applied to the chest, and the individuals experienced cardiac arrest after their hearts began to beat either too fast or abnormally.

Seven of the eight males died, while one survived with impaired memory.
You've still not said why you know better?
What qualifies you as knowing more than me?
This'll be more than a handful of times I've asked several poster and none will say.
Tells its own story.
 

Rangerstid72

Well-Known Member


You've still not said why you know better?
What qualifies you as knowing more than me?
This'll be more than a handful of times I've asked several poster and none will say.
Tells its own story.
That was interesting. The articles compiler, Linda Thrasybule, a journalist covering wellness and celebrity health, next article "What your poop says about you" lets me know how good her qualifications regarding the medical implications regarding Taser deployment. I've heard enough.
PS They show a stun gun. Not a taser.
 

Spin City

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You've still not said why you know better?
What qualifies you as knowing more than me?
This'll be more than a handful of times I've asked several poster and none will say.
Tells its own story.
Why haven't you answered my questions..?

And these as well:

That study concerns 8 people but out of how many Taser deployments..?

There are other Police techniques that are used hundreds of times a day but which have caused death on rare occasions, why single out Taser deployment.

Also, that article is very badly written. I don't know if it misquoted the research but 50000 volts is never discharged into a person's body. I think the most is 1200 volts.
 
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Blue Goose

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Sorry but your confused on this.
He killed the guy. A jury will decide of it was deliberate or not and to what extent. Yet your questioning me?
No, he's not actually GUILTY of killing anyone. Despite being charged, this means nothing. You're confused. If you require any advice on how the law and criminal justice system works let me know. It's actually not that difficult to be fair. Example. Individual is charged. Case to the Crown or CPS. Indictment. Jury trial and or summary court in front of a sheriff. Guilty or Not Guilty in England. Not proven as a wee extra in Scotland and there you go. Easy as that.
 

MightyGersLand!

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Why haven't you answered my questions..?

And these as well:

That study concerns 8 people but out of how many Taser deployments..?

There are other Police techniques that are used hundreds of times a day but which have caused death on rare occasions, why single out Taser deployment.

Also, that article is very badly written. I don't know if it misquoted the research but 50000 volts is never discharged into a person's body. I think the most is 1200 volts.
I didn't do the research. At least the guy put his name to it and offers an explanation.
I don't have any problems with driving. I drive responsibly as usually have kids in the car.

I've had more extended run ins with police than I care to mention, fortunately, above glorified rock steady staff, there is a justice system so it's always seemed to work in my favour with only my time waste by the thick cuuunts in uniform.
Hopefully this thick know it all killer faces justice.
Now, your authority, which gives you a better understanding than those in the article?
Still waiting.
 

Spin City

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I didn't do the research. At least the guy put his name to it and offers an explanation.
I don't have any problems with driving. I drive responsibly as usually have kids in the car.

I've had more extended run ins with police than I care to mention, fortunately, above glorified rock steady staff, there is a justice system so it's always seemed to work in my favour with only my time waste by the thick cuuunts in uniform.
Hopefully this thick know it all killer faces justice.
Now, your authority, which gives you a better understanding than those in the article?
Still waiting.
You still haven't answered my questions:

Where are you getting your assertion that Police Officers shouldn't aim for upper mass..?

I'll help you out a bit. There are only two areas Police Officers are told not to aim at. Do you know what they are..?

(Here's a clue: Neither are upper mass)

From that report you've quoted, which just to be clear concerns the USA, there were 300 Taser-involved deaths in 8 years. That's less than 1 per week and that's if you assume the Taser was the direct cause of death in each case, which it most probably wasn't.

Balance that against the number of times a Taser is deployed on a daily basis across the USA, which has got to be high double figures if not low triple figures per day.

So deaths from Taser are so low as to be negligible although every life lost should obviously be regretted.

So to answer your question my authority is in part your authority but interpreted properly. It's also Taser-deployment guidelines issued by OUR Government in THIS Country.

Now I ask AGAIN, where are you getting your information that OUR Police Officers have been told by their superiors or the Government NOT to deploy to upper mass..?
 

Spin City

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FWIW I can see in the guidelines why the cop might be up shit creek but I'm not a cop so I don't know how much wriggle-room there might be concerning the Cop's judgement of the perceived threat to him, fellow officers, victims, potential victims and members of the Public.
 

Blue Goose

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I didn't do the research. At least the guy put his name to it and offers an explanation.
I don't have any problems with driving. I drive responsibly as usually have kids in the car.

I've had more extended run ins with police than I care to mention, fortunately, above glorified rock steady staff, there is a justice system so it's always seemed to work in my favour with only my time waste by the thick cuuunts in uniform.
Hopefully this thick know it all killer faces justice.
Now, your authority, which gives you a better understanding than those in the article?
Still waiting.
I'm glad that you have unburdened yourself. You have had "more extended run ins" with the Police? What normal, law abiding citizen does that actually happen to? Will I tell you? Very few. Why would the Police target someone like yourself? You simply have to tell us more. Is it not the case that you have been targeted by the Police due to something you have done or involved in? Is that why you hate the Police and authority? I feel embarrassed by telling you about the justice system when clearly you are more than au fait with it.

As for staying on the topic of the thread, it's a terrible thing that everyone involved in this incident is going through. You could see cops chucking their firearms or taser cards in the future.
 

AllanD

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A fraction of your tax bill..?

You wouldn't by chance be wealthy enough to possess a car big and expensive enough to think you own the road and then get upset when Cops pull you up for speeding, would you..?
Sounds potentially fitting, seems the type to park in disabled bays or across two spots in his heavily financed Mercedes, because he knows better and shouldn't be told what to do or inconvenienced.
 
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Rangerstid72

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FWIW I can see in the guidelines why the cop might be up shit creek but I'm not a cop so I don't know how much wriggle-room there might be concerning the Cop's judgement of the perceived threat to him, fellow officers, victims, potential victims and members of the Public.
Absolutely! The Taser usage/ deaths is a bit of a low bowler. These are figures where people died when Taser deployed. Sometimes it's deployed to prevent suicide and isn't successful. This is deemed a death during Taser deployment. People on drugs or with medical conditions have died after the Taser was pointed at them without discharge. Has it caused heart attacks? Perhaps it has, but as previously stated, a cop deploys it at his peril, as the fine tooth comb cones out. It is a fantastic tool when utilised correctly and I never hear how many lives it has saved, especially in the states.
 

Spin City

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Absolutely! The Taser usage/ deaths is a bit of a low bowler. These are figures where people died when Taser deployed. Sometimes it's deployed to prevent suicide and isn't successful. This is deemed a death during Taser deployment. People on drugs or with medical conditions have died after the Taser was pointed at them without discharge. Has it caused heart attacks? Perhaps it has, but as previously stated, a cop deploys it at his peril, as the fine tooth comb cones out. It is a fantastic tool when utilised correctly and I never hear how many lives it has saved, especially in the states.
Thousands. You can bet your life on that (no pun intended). If they weren't being tazered they'd be being shot.

In fact I'd say a high %age of tazer-involved deaths in the States are where the tazer deployment is ineffective and the suspect is then shot.

I remember watching a video of a guy out of his mind on steroids being tazed repeatedly just pulling the barbs out and continuing to walk around threatening the officers trying to arrest him
 
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