Do you still have faith in Phil?

Will Phil get this right?

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Spart7 said:
Part of me can't believe this is even up for debate, the other part of me is surprised it has taken as long. It's a nonsense. 3, maybe 4, of the starting 11 from today are likely to start or even be here next year. We've played almost a month with no natural wingers and Wright and McCausland as the back up off the bench when we need goals neither of whom are known for. Yilmaz being injured caused us almost as many issues as Sima, Cortes and Matondo being out did. Now, after today we are down to one fit centre back. We've been forced to play players who are out of contract shortly. It's been a shitshow for months yet he's still kept us in the race until today. He gets minimum the full season next season and a chance to not only build his own team but an entire squad.
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While a lot of what you say is true, there's very little evidence to suggest he hasn't just benefitted from the same bounce that both Gio and Beale did before the wheels came off.

Beale didn't manage to win a trophy but he didn't have the benefit of entering at a stage where celtic had already been eliminated.

He's managed to keep pace with celtic in the league but they've hardly been pulling up trees themselves. And when it came to the crunch, questions were asked of him as a manager that he didn't have the answers for.

Some of his decisions in the last few weeks have been more than questionable. Scott Wright in the old firm game at Ibrox. Lawrence over Cantwell, a mistake he repeated today.

Yes, we've had injuries. Yes, the squad lacks quality. But it's his job to find answers. Motherwell, Ross County and Dundee were inexcusable. A bad result in a title run in can happen but three? With two defeats against your only rivals on top of that? Obviously there's going to be questions.

And another thing. We are crap. No style of play, no patterns, no energy, no press. We don't look one bit drilled or coached. I appreciate that he came in during the season but it's been months and it looks like, ball dinked around the back before a long diagonal into the corner.

The leeway he does get is that he's inherited the worst Rangers squad since Gerrard. Recruitment has been horrific. If that isn't sorted, he won't succeed, it's as simple as that. We've already committed a small fortune to signing Diomande, a player himself with everything to prove. We need players in pretty much every area of the pitch and while every signing is a gamble, we're going to need a very high success rate.

The cup final is absolutely massive for Clement now. Win it and a slow start next year could be forgiven as long as it looked like there was progress and he was building something. He'd have 2 trophies and a fair amount of goodwill in the bank.

Lose the game, a slow start in the league and the first old firm at the piggery, having lost the 4 previous ones? We've seen that movie enough times in the last few years.

Why did Gerrard get so much time? We were good to watch. We got at teams, played on the front foot. Competed with celtic, at least in a one off game, from pretty much the moment he walked in the door. And we were constantly improving. We had set backs, shat the bed a few times but you could at least see what the gameplan was.
 
He needs a summer to re-structure the squad, up until the last month or so I had complete faith in him to do that but I would have to say April and May have shaken my confidence in him somewhat.

Yes he inherited a shit show of a squad but what I'm finding concerning is a lack of a discernable style, i.e. a lack of an ability to pass, control and retain possession, as opposed to aimless balls punted forward.

Even more concerning though is that the players are all over the place, tactically our shape is often awful and this not matching opponents runs is something that's set in long before today, even Ross County ran by us to score 3 goals, and that wasn't the start of it.

Even with players lacking some true ability I would expect to be seeing a team who know what their doing by this point.
 
JC85 said:
Major alarm bells for me.

He's now done nothing Beale and Gio didn't do when they first took over, and he doesn't seem to understand the glaring midfield issue against them.

It's worrying.
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I don't remember them dealing with the same injury issues, clawing back a league deficit, winning a trophy or wasting millions on guff
 
JeffreySpauIding said:
No faith in him at all. Too early to sack him but its obvious where it is going.
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Ffs let’s move onto a new manager every 6/ 9 months.
Unless we can magic up 60/80 million to spend on top quality players ANY manager will need at least 3 transfer windows to overhaul a squad.
What quality of managers will be tempted to come to us in the future if they know they will be given limited funds compared to Celtic and be given no time to build a team before they are out on their arse.
 
grascots said:
Based on what? I think he is capable but he is not deserving of 100% faith or anywhere near it. I might have more faith when he can actually figure out how to beat that mob. The performance at Ibrox concerned me an was only reinforced today.
I would say the jury is out. It wouldn't take much to be better than Beale.
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He’ll have his own squad and not a bunch of bottle bags.
 
Puggy said:
100% faith in him.

He’ll lead us to glory next season.
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This. After the damage done by Beale. This was always going to be a free swing. The fact we got within touching distance of the title with this squad speaks volumes. Clements the man, but needs to bring his own stamp and players to the club to succeed.
 
IbroxMainStand said:
We had almost identical threads to this last year with Beale with people blaming all the defeats on Gio's pre season and injuries. It was claimed it would all turn around just as soon as he got his own players in.
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True, and the pressure to get things right from the start will be on him, especially if we don't win the SC.
Chocolateleftfoot said:
While a lot of what you say is true, there's very little evidence to suggest he hasn't just benefitted from the same bounce that both Gio and Beale did before the wheels came off.

Beale didn't manage to win a trophy but he didn't have the benefit of entering at a stage where celtic had already been eliminated.

He's managed to keep pace with celtic in the league but they've hardly been pulling up trees themselves. And when it came to the crunch, questions were asked of him as a manager that he didn't have the answers for.

Some of his decisions in the last few weeks have been more than questionable. Scott Wright in the old firm game at Ibrox. Lawrence over Cantwell, a mistake he repeated today.

Yes, we've had injuries. Yes, the squad lacks quality. But it's his job to find answers. Motherwell, Ross County and Dundee were inexcusable. A bad result in a title run in can happen but three? With two defeats against your only rivals on top of that? Obviously there's going to be questions.

And another thing. We are crap. No style of play, no patterns, no energy, no press. We don't look one bit drilled or coached. I appreciate that he came in during the season but it's been months and it looks like, ball dinked around the back before a long diagonal into the corner.

The leeway he does get is that he's inherited the worst Rangers squad since Gerrard. Recruitment has been horrific. If that isn't sorted, he won't succeed, it's as simple as that. We've already committed a small fortune to signing Diomande, a player himself with everything to prove. We need players in pretty much every area of the pitch and while every signing is a gamble, we're going to need a very high success rate.

The cup final is absolutely massive for Clement now. Win it and a slow start next year could be forgiven as long as it looked like there was progress and he was building something. He'd have 2 trophies and a fair amount of goodwill in the bank.

Lose the game, a slow start in the league and the first old firm at the piggery, having lost the 4 previous ones? We've seen that movie enough times in the last few years.

Why did Gerrard get so much time? We were good to watch. We got at teams, played on the front foot. Competed with celtic, at least in a one off game, from pretty much the moment he walked in the door. And we were constantly improving. We had set backs, shat the bed a few times but you could at least see what the gameplan was.
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A good many good points there.
 
tr0211 said:
This. After the damage done by Beale. This was always going to be a free swing. The fact we got within touching distance of the title with this squad speaks volumes. Clements the man, but needs to bring his own stamp and players to the club to succeed.
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People are obviously blind to these facts.
 
albop said:
The people saying no style of play and tactics

He hasn't the players to play his style so tried to win by any means possible
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Keep saying he can only piss with the cock he’s got.

He’s done his best with a bunch of serial losers and fell short.

He’s 7/8 players down due to injuries.

People have lost faith in him but haha
 
I just can’t see it working. He’s got it massively wrong on more than 1 occasion and it’s cost us.

Most worrying thing for me is he doesn’t seem like he’s learnt from them.
 
I'll be honest. I don't listen to his pressers any more. I know he has to do them but how he talks about the squad just isn't being seen on the park. Talk is cheap we need more than what's on offer just now. Prepared to support him but comon tae phuck let's get our fingers oot.
 
Course, he's showed me enough that he's the man and I think people forget how well we were playing under him, only reason Dessers has 20+ goals is because we were playing such attacking football which is a far cry from Beale, Gio and even parts of Gerrard, just lacking quality in final third.

I have faith that we'll be properly putting teams to the sword next season under Phil, it's just how much Celtic are gonna improve.
 
It will likely take at least 2 or 3 transfer windows for the squad to be Clement's. Whether or not he'll be afforded that amount of time is debatable. Needs to drop the long ball pish for a start, will be interesting to see what we look like against them in next season's first OF game - that will tell us a lot.
 
The summer window will define his career with us, he simply won't get more time if he makes an @rse of it.
 
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TJ72 said:
There was a very big thread about 12 months ago started by Empire saying the exact same about Beale.

As things stand Clement’s record is no better than Beale’s last season.
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Yes, so much of this stuff is literally a cut and paste of the same nonsense we got last year. Beale was without doubt a dud of a manager, the fact that Clement is in more of the less the same place should alarm people, but they’ve created this narrative of “clawing back” which sees us one less point behind that he started and Celtic having dropped considerable points to other clubs in that time.

He has to win the SC or he goes to Parkhead early next season with his job on the line.
 
Best I can do is say I'm unsure as there are plenty red flags for me.

Lets see how we line up next season...
Does he get backed or do we just scratch around and play at supporting him?
There are several faces who I just don't want to see there next season. I've had a belly full of them.

The next few old firm games will set his fate.
 
Colinstein69 said:
It will likely take at least 2 or 3 transfer windows for the squad to be Clement's. Whether or not he'll be afforded that amount of time is debatable. Needs to drop the long ball pish for a start, will be interesting to see what we look like against them in next season's first OF game - that will tell us a lot.
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He’ll only get that time if he beats Celtic.
 
barrowman said:
Yes, so much of this stuff is literally a cut and paste of the same nonsense we got last year. Beale was without doubt a dud of a manager, the fact that Clement is in more of the less the same place should alarm people, but they’ve created this narrative of “clawing back” which sees us one less point behind that he started and Celtic having dropped considerable points to other clubs in that time.

He has to win the SC or he goes to Parkhead early next season with his job on the line.
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Wasn't long ago people were Saying first actual manager since sir Walter
 
Today, and the last few matches, have shaken my belief in Clement.

Sterling not in midfield has been done to death, Lawrence and Lundstram starting is close to unforgivable, did it before and exactly the same thing happened !

The amount of runs that O’Riley and McGregor did off of our players either points to poor coaching, or bad players that keep getting picked.

PC’s insistence that he wants to coach corner drills is another weakness; teams that have specialists get results, our return is pitiful.
 
Mosesmcneil said:
I don't remember them dealing with the same injury issues, clawing back a league deficit, winning a trophy or wasting millions on guff
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You don’t remember Gio winning a trophy? Losing Lawrence, Ridvan & Goldson?

Clement won a trophy that Celtic had already been knocked out of. Beale wasn’t so lucky.

as for the league being “clawed back” get a grip! We’re currently one point better off over them than when he arrived and that’s despite them having a pretty bad spell.
 
Glad the vast majority are still showing some intelligence.

Very telling that the ones saying no are some posters I've never seen the name, and some of the boards resident tadgers
 
nublu2u said:
Today, and the last few matches, have shaken my belief in Clement.

Sterling not in midfield has been done to death, Lawrence and Lundstram starting is close to unforgivable, did it before and exactly the same thing happened !

The amount of runs that O’Riley and McGregor did off of our players either points to poor coaching, or bad players that keep getting picked.

PC’s insistence that he wants to coach corner drills is another weakness; teams that have specialists get results, our return is pitiful.
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Sterling actually played good when moved back
It's unfair on the lad
Put him in midfield and let him flourish
 
HandsomeHead said:
To have 100% faith in a guy who’s failed to win any of his first three games against Celtic, losing two of them while overseeing an eight point negative swing in the league in a matter of weeks?

100%?
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I’m 100% behind him.

He won the league cup.

He’s had his hands tied behind his back with injuries and pish Beale signings.

He could win the Scottish cup in a fortnight.

Are you writing him off without bringing his own players in and implementing his own style of play ?

You wanting a new manager every season ?

Get behind him.
 
Ross_ said:
Let’s use this as an example - today what could he have done differently in the midfield ? Hindsight says Raskin for Lundstram but realistically that was unlikely

So what other choices did he have?

He’s playing with someone else’s team barring Diomande
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I think my team would have done better tbh. I still trust him but I think he has some silly blond spots.

Butland
Tav souttar Davies ridvan

Dio lundstrum sterling

Cantwell silva

Dessers


Ridvan was fit for the bench so should have played first 60 for me. I’d have played two roaming tens and matched up in the middle.
 
iain18(7)2 said:
When the tims are calling him the baldy Beale then you’ve got to wonder. Big red flags starting to appear for me now.
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Why the fück would we care what they call him?
They think Scottish refs and the cowardly Scottish press are against them. As for their attitude to the child sex abuse at their club... Whether Phil is good or bad or indifferent I think we Bears can figure it without their help.
 
Bishyboy said:
Ffs let’s move onto a new manager every 6/ 9 months.
Unless we can magic up 60/80 million to spend on top quality players ANY manager will need at least 3 transfer windows to overhaul a squad.
What quality of managers will be tempted to come to us in the future if they know they will be given limited funds compared to Celtic and be given no time to build a team before they are out on their arse.
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You say that but I doubt you wanted to keep Pedro, Murty, Gio or Beale.

Like I said, it's too early to sack him but it will get to a point where it is untenable next season.
 
Coza said:
I think my team would have done better tbh. I still trust him but I think he has some silly blond spots.

Butland
Tav souttar Davies ridvan

Dio lundstrum sterling

Cantwell silva

Dessers


Ridvan was fit for the bench so should have played first 60 for me. I’d have played two roaming tens and matched up in the middle.
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How would you have stopped Lundstrum strolling about the park and not giving a %^*&?
 
Bishyboy said:
Ffs let’s move onto a new manager every 6/ 9 months.
Unless we can magic up 60/80 million to spend on top quality players ANY manager will need at least 3 transfer windows to overhaul a squad.
What quality of managers will be tempted to come to us in the future if they know they will be given limited funds compared to Celtic and be given no time to build a team before they are out on their arse.
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That is spot on.
There are ones on here who want us to change every season. Their motives are very dubious imo.
 
Puggy said:
I’m 100% behind him.

He won the league cup.

He’s had his hands tied behind his back with injuries and pish Beale signings.

He could win the Scottish cup in a fortnight.

Are you writing him off without bringing his own players in and implementing his own style of play ?

You wanting a new manager every season ?

Get behind him.
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Steady on cowboy.

The guy gets the summer to bring in his own players and, hopefully, implement his own style of play - that’s an absolute given - but do I have 100% faith in him to succeed?

Absolutely not, and to do so after the painful lessons of the past couple of years is just blind faith, IMO.
 
I agree with most of the posters that we can’t judge Phil until we see a team that he has formed out of players he wants.Right now he is stuck with the spine of a team that he inherited from a clown and who play the way that the clown directed to the extent that they can’t play any other way. Long balls, no wingers, an old defence and a slow and static midfield.

Everything will come down to what he can get out of the BoD to buy players now that their other projects have eaten up funds. I know that the Stadium needed work but Edmiston House and a Museum are more vanity projects than anything. If we don’t have a winning football team on the Ibrox pitch then no one will want to watch them.What then is our priority, a winning team or a match day experience. I know what I want.
 
HandsomeHead said:
Steady on cowboy.

The guy gets the summer to bring in his own players and, hopefully, implement his own style of play - that’s an absolute given - but do I have 100% faith in him to succeed?

Absolutely not, and to do so after the painful lessons of the past couple of years is just blind faith, IMO.
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Fair doos ma man.
 
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