I’d say we also need good delivery into the box tomorrow and I don’t think Yilmaz put in a decent cross on Saturday there. Whereas Borna can fire a decent cross into the box.It wasn't exactly an Ashley Cole esque debut, but that wasn't to be expected. I've seen enough of Yilmaz to believe he'll be a real player.
As for Tuesday, the one thing I've seen from Yilmaz that would have me pick him over Borna is his instinct to pass it forward. Borna is criminally bad for being overly conservative in possession. We need urgency and forward passes from the off tomorrow - and Borna stifles that aspect of our play.
It’s not true is it? Every club in the world has big signings who have flopped or new big signings who don’t come straight into the team for a variety of reasons.Big signings play in big games (if fit) what’s hard to understand?
No idea what your slabbering about with the teenager comment.
He put in one decent cross which Colak was slow to read.I’d say we also need good delivery into the box tomorrow and I don’t think Yilmaz put in a decent cross on Saturday there. Whereas Borna can fire a decent cross into the box.
Bob standard debut, played it safe, barely been in the door.
Wasn’t any worse than Tav today who I thought looked top heavy and towing a caravan tbh.
But he’s not flopped so why wouldn’t he play haha & the fee is common knowledge it was confirmed by his club.It’s not true is it? Every club in the world has big signings who have flopped or new big signings who don’t come straight into the team for a variety of reasons.
Suggesting the lad should start just because he cost £5M -if indeed he cost that sounds a pretty basic fanboy stance to me
He's a signficant outlay for us though. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that given the spend, there will be an expectation from the management team that he can slot into the LWB spot and take the starting spot ASAP. It's been a problem position so i don't see what good it does sticking Yilmaz on the bench. He needs games to reach peak fitness and build up an understanding with his new team mates.It’s not true is it? Every club in the world has big signings who have flopped or new big signings who don’t come straight into the team for a variety of reasons.
Suggesting the lad should start just because he cost £5M -if indeed he cost that sounds a pretty basic fanboy stance to me
I’d argue we did something similar last week with a front 3 that were all new and it didn’t work. A more stable line up would possibly have made tomorrow night a lot simpler.He's a signficant outlay for us though. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that given the spend, there will be an expectation from the management team that he can slot into the LWB spot and take the starting spot ASAP. It's been a problem position so i don't see what good it does sticking Yilmaz on the bench. He needs games to reach peak fitness and build up an understanding with his new team mates.
I think a lot of our problems were down to the selections at the back and in midfield. Lundstram in a back 3 with Jack and Kamara in midfield was just too over cautious against that level of opposition and we couldn't get any meaningful service to the front 3.I’d argue we did something similar last week with a front 3 that were all new and it didn’t work. A more stable line up would possibly have made tomorrow night a lot simpler.
You also take a gamble on a young player being damaged if it goes wrong.
Because he might need time to settle on a variety of levels. You could argue it’s an European tie but they will have watched him on Saturday and saw he struggled possibly due to nerves .But he’s not flopped so why wouldn’t he play haha & the fee is common knowledge it was confirmed by his club.
The tie is winnable but they either need to be quite fragile or we need to go up a level or twoI think a lot of our problems were down to the selections at the back and in midfield. Lundstram in a back 3 with Jack and Kamara in midfield was just too over cautious against that level of opposition and we couldn't get any meaningful service to the front 3.
Regardless of who plays LWB tomorrow lets hope we do enough to turn it round.
Why are posters concerned about Yilmaz size!I had no idea he was so small until I seen him yesterday. That is cause for concern when you left central defence is lacking in power and ability at the moment. Hopefully he can adapt to the Scottish game. He looks quick although that will suit us more when teams are playing higher up than they do here.
One of those every touch videos of Ridvan yesterday, definitely starts nervously but improves and he's always looking to be positive and move the ball forwards.
I can't believe the amount of people wanting Barisic starting on Tuesday! Have you forgotten how absolutely dreadful he's been in the previous 2 games? He played himself out of the team, Ridvan did nothing much wrong yesterday - Ridvan starts.
I think that’s a bit different in that in Scotland (because of the difference in quality) our opponents main tactic at times is to lump the ball into our box at any opportunity. We even seen the difference last season with McGregor’s performance in Scotland (exposed us not coming for cross balls) compared to not being exposed to that so much in Europe.Why are posters concerned about Yilmaz size!
The game is littered with players who play a similar role to Ridvan
Even yesterday I watched Man Utd v Brighton and Man Utd have brought in Lazzaro Martinez at centre back who is smaller
Tariq Lamptey returning from injury came on and is really small
Fullbacks are more relevant in an attacking sense than defensively and particularly at Rangers where in 90% of the games we’ll have the vast majority of the ball and onus is to create
That’s not to ignore defence but put it in perspective
I take the opposite view as it’s less likely to be a problem in Scotland as opposed to England due to us having so much possessionI think that’s a bit different in that in Scotland (because of the difference in quality) our opponents main tactic at times is to lump the ball into our box at any opportunity. We even seen the difference last season with McGregor’s performance in Scotland (exposed us not coming for cross balls) compared to not being exposed to that so much in Europe.
My immediate concern when I looked at Yilmaz was that he will be exposed in that way at set-pieces etc. If he is then like the opposition last season with McGregor, every Scottish team will be lumping balls right into his area. We have even seen teams targeting Barisic as he was seen as the weakest physical link at times. My guess is that trying to expose Yilmaz in terms of his height at set-pieces is exactly what the opposition will do. It might be a possibility that a non-issue in European terms might be a big problem playing for Rangers in the Scottish league.
The reality is most of the big games we’ve been mugged in from the Hibs final onwards has been at set pieces -we absolutely did not have this lad defending on Sat the way even BB does he played in an area in front of the defence.I take the opposite view as it’s less likely to be a problem in Scotland as opposed to England due to us having so much possession
This means that yes Scottish teams will tend to lump the ball in our box more often but in effect less frequently than in England due to us having so much possession so the opportunity for them to do so is extremely limited
Interesting how perceptions can be different which is fine
He cost £3.5m with add-one taking it to £5mBut he’s not flopped so why wouldn’t he play haha & the fee is common knowledge it was confirmed by his club.
Interesting take - but If that theory was the case then how come McGregor was criticised heavily for not dealing with crosses last season? - it was an obvious weakness that the opposition in Scotland exploited and people were wanting him dropped. That for a guy with a lot of previous credit in the bank. It will only take a few failures in that respect before this lad gets criticised. If it becomes noticeable he has an obvious weakness that the opposition target, our fans will see it clearly also.I take the opposite view as it’s less likely to be a problem in Scotland as opposed to England due to us having so much possession
This means that yes Scottish teams will tend to lump the ball in our box more often but in effect less frequently than in England due to us having so much possession so the opportunity for them to do so is extremely limited
Interesting how perceptions can be different which is fine
And, based on Saturdays showing, you think Yilmaz a better option? Yilmaz is still settling in and, for me, has work to do on his fitness. The ball was played in behind their left back at one point in the second half on Saturday. It was a 50/50 in a race between Yilmaz and the full-back and he pulled out of it. He didn't pull up but it was clear he didn't want to go full speed for fear of a hamstring injury. He was subbed off shortly afterwards.If Barisic starts at left back we will concede. He’s a liability, he’s not good going forward anymore, he’s even worse defensively and he’s even more conservative than he was before
And your point is caller?…He cost £3.5m with add-one taking it to £5m
Yes, right now borna Barisic has no positive aspect to his game. His final ball has been poor all season, he can’t run with the ball, he only passes backwards. He’s even worse defensively now than he was before and he wasn’t a good defender. Yilmaz at least showed that he can carry the ball and is a good passer of the ball. And the more he plays the more match fit he’ll get, the quicker he’s up to speed the better given that Barisic is such a negative player.And, based on Saturdays showing, you think Yilmaz a better option? Yilmaz is still settling in and, for me, has work to do on his fitness. The ball was played in behind their left back at one point in the second half on Saturday. It was a 50/50 in a race between Yilmaz and the full-back and he pulled out of it. He didn't pull up but it was clear he didn't want to go full speed for fear of a hamstring injury. He was subbed off shortly afterwards.
Not convinced about the McGregor analogyInteresting take - but If that theory was the case then how come McGregor was criticised heavily for not dealing with crosses last season? - it was an obvious weakness that the opposition in Scotland exploited and people were wanting him dropped. That for a guy with a lot of previous credit in the bank. It will only take a few failures in that respect before this lad gets criticised. If it becomes noticeable he has an obvious weakness that the opposition target, our fans will see it clearly also.
However let’s see if he has any problems first - my concern was along the lines of at first sight alarm bells were ringing in my mind - thinking you really need to have some aerial ability/physicality to play for us and be a success at full back. If he proves that concern is nonsense he will certainly be the smallest/slightest successful one that I have seen in our colours in 35 years of watching. Gattuso was small and played well for a bit as a full-back however he was a bit of a madman and as hard as nails.
I’m just being pedantic lol. You said the fee was £5m, which it could be, but isn’t yetAnd your point is caller?…
McGregor stopped coming for just about any cross last season - that was the difference. It doesn’t really matter when it happened or why, but it was a weakness last season that was highlighted by our fans. Some would argue that weakness cost us the league. Set-pieces certainly did!Not convinced about the McGregor analogy
McGregor has been a top goalkeeper for many years and suddenly in 1 year he’s the scapegoat for not coming for crosses
In all the other years did he come for crosses and not an issue then ??
For many years Rangers keepers have not been the type to come for crosses
The late great Andy Gorham was not known for coming out to take crosses and neither was Stefan Klos
The issue with Allan McGregor is Father Time is catching up with him full stop in all aspects of his game
I have no idea how Yilmaz will turn out as a fullback but I doubt if he fails that size would prove to be the key issue
As an example take another great Sandy Jardine again not a physical specimen and sure if I thought about it could list other examples
The fullback position has evolved and more like wingers these days
He’s also physically weaker than borna and that’s saying something. We’ll get even more ripped apart if we play yilmaz than borna in the first game .I’d say we also need good delivery into the box tomorrow and I don’t think Yilmaz put in a decent cross on Saturday there. Whereas Borna can fire a decent cross into the box.
Ok mateI’m just being pedantic lol. You said the fee was £5m, which it could be, but isn’t yet
Borna has barely played a decent ball in all season, he’s regressed further from his already poor form last season.I’d say we also need good delivery into the box tomorrow and I don’t think Yilmaz put in a decent cross on Saturday there. Whereas Borna can fire a decent cross into the box.
I think that's it. This will take time. We have paid quite a lot and most folk were expecting him to hit the ground running. He's a lot to prove and clearly needs to bulk up. His lack of pace in a couple of instances was a surprise but we've seen clips of him with besiktas where he has plenty.Looked nervous and a little lightweight at times but looks a good player.
Give him 6 months on the Ibrox steroids and time to bed in and I think he’ll be great for us.
Cheers GioBB will start and rightly so.
Basically my point is McGregor last season and in previous seasons never was one to come out for crosses similar to Gorham and Klos!McGregor stopped coming for just about any cross last season - that was the difference. It doesn’t really matter when it happened or why, but it was a weakness last season that was highlighted by our fans. Some would argue that weakness cost us the league. Set-pieces certainly did!
If our new full-back has an exploitable weakness in that respect that also will be highlighted. Even more so as he hasn’t got the credit in the bank that McGregor has. However we will need to see if it really is a weakness - as all it‘s based on is the fact that he doesn’t initially look like a guy to win an aerial battle. I’m hoping that it’s not an issue - I just have my doubts based on the requirements of our full-backs in Scotland - especially if it’s a back four.
Yup I accept that Borna has definitely regressed as his confidence is fragile not helped by the fact he lost his place to a rapidly developing BasseyYes, right now borna Barisic has no positive aspect to his game. His final ball has been poor all season, he can’t run with the ball, he only passes backwards. He’s even worse defensively now than he was before and he wasn’t a good defender. Yilmaz at least showed that he can carry the ball and is a good passer of the ball. And the more he plays the more match fit he’ll get, the quicker he’s up to speed the better given that Barisic is such a negative player.
Good grief, what in God's name is this ALL SEASON pish. We've played 3 competitive games of which Barisic has started 2. As referenced by other's, Yilmaz pulling out of a sprint 60 minutes in is surely a concern, and it may be the case that he will need eased in.Yes, right now borna Barisic has no positive aspect to his game. His final ball has been poor all season, he can’t run with the ball, he only passes backwards. He’s even worse defensively now than he was before and he wasn’t a good defender. Yilmaz at least showed that he can carry the ball and is a good passer of the ball. And the more he plays the more match fit he’ll get, the quicker he’s up to speed the better given that Barisic is such a negative player.
also the exact height as Phil Lahm who didnt havea bad careerYou can't seriously think he is 2cm shorter than Tav. Of all the things about modern football to make you laugh, the willingess of some people to not believe their own eyes is right up there.
We shall see soon enough.Basically my point is McGregor last season and in previous seasons never was one to come out for crosses similar to Gorham and Klos!
Your argument about the physical aspect is similar to the argument that has been trotted by others about Tav that he’s unable to defend
Yup on occasion might be an issue but the benefits of his attacking play far outweighs that limitation
I hope Ridvan turns out to be just as good as Tavs numbers with goals and assists and would gladly accept physical limitations
I think it will be Borna tomorrow. Experience is vital. Yilmaz is built like a wee boy, pretty much a project player and one who will ultimately thrive on confidence once he settles. The language barrier isn't a great thing to be dealing with either but you could argue it wasn't an issue with Alfredo on the pitch. I reckon it could be next season before we see the best of him
Holy shitHe isn't very fast or physical which is a bit of a worry considering how our fullbacks play.
His passing is definitely a step up from Borna's. His crossing isn't.
Of all the signings we've made I think Yilmaz worries me the most as the one that seems the most likely to flop, but he will be given time.
I agree time will tell how Ridvan is judgedWe shall see soon enough.