Tavernire at Tynecastle last 2 years:He's had a torrid time at Tynecastle down the years.
3 games, 2 assists.
Tavernire at Tynecastle last 2 years:He's had a torrid time at Tynecastle down the years.
Can you clarify what you're referring to when you say this?After the goal his head went down and you could see the sheer shock on his fave, he is not inspiring or leading others with performances like this and needs taken out the firing line for a few games so he can regroup.
Try Flanagan.What do we do when we find out that Polster isn't Cafu?
And I do agree that Tav has turned in some horrorshows this season and that yesterday feels like one too many.
Tavernire at Tynecastle last 2 years:
3 games, 2 assists.
Try Flanagan.
He's had a torrid time at Tynecastle down the years.
I can’t think of anyone who has performed so poorly with horrendous individual errors that have impacted our chances in Europe and at the top of the league and nothing will be done about it.
Let’s see if Gerrard rightly leaves him out or having him constantly making huge errors in big games when it matters letting us down and down again and again or is it more hassle than it’s worth the unrest it would cause?
We are hardly in a position were our manager can lose the dressing room with such call as it could be catastrophic to our title chances but should we just stick with it until we get a better captain at a better time?
I think we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t at the moment.
No idea what people were watching yesterday, but nothing about Taverniers body language suggested that the mistakes got to him. He was still adventurous with the ball and was still getting into the attacking third regularly.
16/17:Go back to the Warburton games, back post stuff. Brutal.
I could see that to some degree. I thought yesterday he had a couple of crosses that he hit too early instead of taking on the left back or looking for a short pass.Tav certainly doesn't hide and is continually involved. There may be an argument that the eagerness to make amends creates an increased urgency in his play and some questionable decision-making.
That's simply not true though.Well I mean, it is.
He's played 18 competitive games this season and has had two poor games. We don't have many players who are as consistently good as he is. Perhaps the only player who's been as consistent as that this season is Morelos.
16/17:
2 games, 1 assist.
How about sourcing a right back who can defend first and foremost, and let the guys further up the park be more creative with the confidence that there’s another competent defender behind them?
I mean as soon as he realised what he done the camera panned to him and his head was down with a face of complete shock, thats fair enough but i would rather see him trying to jee up the players around him after a horrific 10 minute period of the game.Can you clarify what you're referring to when you say this?
And I'm not talking about the meaning of the metaphor, I'm looking for some kind of example.
Can't agree JW, nothing 'Tav-esque' is coming off for him these days. He used to be able to bring a ball down from a height by jumping up for it, was sort of a signature move, it now bobbles away. The weight of his passes is wrong, positioning is erratic, his timing is off, his decision-making is poor, and his once terrific crosses into the box and dead-balls are not good enough. Bloody McLean came on yesterday and targetted him, picked him out as weak, the captain of Rangers.The problem is, what you see as “poor” by Tav is actually still a decent level in comparison. His errors have been costly but take those out the equation and he’s not been bad, he’s just not been his usual self
It is true though.That's simply not true though.
Tav's been a shadow of his normal attacking self this season.
He's had a couple of good games,plenty average games and quite a few horror shows.
Continuing to play him will be to his detriment in the long run.
Part of the manager's job is to protect his players.
It may be heresy to some on here, but I'd rather leave the man-management of individual players to Gerrard, who genuinely appears to be very good at it.I mean as soon as he realised what he done the camera panned to him and his head was down with a face of complete shock, thats fair enough but i would rather see him trying to jee up the players around him after a horrific 10 minute period of the game.
I would want my captain to get into the players and try and get a reaction, you never saw any of that.
The only time i see him do that is after we score when he tells them to keep their concentration etc, i never see it when the chips are down.
I know football has changed these days and i know we dont have leaders like Souness etc but i just sometimes wish for a bit more fire and passion when things are not going our way, it might not make any difference.It may be heresy to some on here, but I'd rather leave the man-management of individual players to Gerrard, who genuinely appears to be very good at it.
Captains should lead by example and represent the Club in a good light publicly, in my opinion there isn't much more to the role than that. The days of Graeme Souness-types captaining a side are pretty much done.
Fire and brimstone only serves to make the punters feel better, if we're honest.I know football has changed these days and i know we dont have leaders like Souness etc but i just sometimes wish for a bit more fire and passion when things are not going our way, it might not make any difference.
My own view is that he should be taken out the firing line for a couple of weeks in the hope that when he comes back in he is back to his best.
Yes going a long way back I agree and I posted on here 3 seasons ago my concerns that if we continue with him at full back then we will continue to lose points every season, it gives me no pleasure to say I was correct but I got pelters on here for daring to say it.Well I’ve seen Tavernier’s entire Rangers career and the chances aren’t tiny at all. In fact he’s got a fairly sizeable rap sheet as far as defensive gaffs are concerned.
Trouble is they only come against weaker teams and mostly at home games not against stronger teams or big league gamesIt is true though.
I don't want to reduce this purely to numbers, but it's clear that he's still a brilliant attacking player. Second in expected assists, easily the highest expected goals for a full back, even when you exclude penalties.
He's not getting goals or assists at the moment, but the numbers indicate he's just been unlucky and this will positively regress to the mean.
People are more than welcome to get off the Tav Train, but don't expect to find a seat when you try to clamber back on when those goals and assists start to come.
Given that we structure our side to play through Tavernier regardless of the opposition, that seems extremely unlikely.Trouble is they only come against weaker teams and mostly at home games not against stronger teams or big league games
Aye but he's not so quick to fire in a poor cross.Who do you suggest comes in for him?
Flanagan is injured and Holster is just not as good.
Flanagan isn't the answer. We'll have to play Tavernier and hope he comes out the other side of this
I think its fair to say he would have been 'rested' by now if he hadn't had the armband.
The problem is he tries to hard he has to take every free kick corner etc etc and he is just not good enough period.I can’t think of anyone who has performed so poorly with horrendous individual errors that have impacted our chances in Europe and at the top of the league and nothing will be done about it.
Let’s see if Gerrard rightly leaves him out or having him constantly making huge errors in big games when it matters letting us down and down again and again or is it more hassle than it’s worth the unrest it would cause?
We are hardly in a position were our manager can lose the dressing room with such call as it could be catastrophic to our title chances but should we just stick with it until we get a better captain at a better time?
I think we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t at the moment.
I think it’s also because the alternative isn’t great. On form Tavernier is a really good player for us, he probably hopes he’ll snap out of it and find that form. But I do think it’s went too far now and he needs hooked.
Polster might not be great, but if he can get through 90 minutes without gift wrapping a goal for the opposition then he’s already doing better than Tavernier has been lately.
Trouble is they only come against weaker teams and mostly at home games not against stronger teams or big league games
Try Flanagan.
Tavs no been the same player since candieas left.
2 of them worked brilliant together. Candieas would cover if tav was up and both worked back. Right hand side was our strongest for a while there.
Thts fare enough respect ur view mate.I'm sorry, this is also nonsense.
Daniel Candeias leaving has nothing to do with JT making stupid errors like the one at the weekend and in the Young Boys match.
It's a flaw to his game that's always been there, he needs to make better decisions when he's in such a precarious position of the pitch, that's all.
Overall I don't think Tav has been terrible this season, in fact I think he's been pretty good in most of the games he's played but I also don't buy into this he's missing DC argument.
I'm sorry, this is also nonsense.
Daniel Candeias leaving has nothing to do with JT making stupid errors like the one at the weekend and in the Young Boys match.
It's a flaw to his game that's always been there, he needs to make better decisions when he's in such a precarious position of the pitch, that's all.
Overall I don't think Tav has been terrible this season, in fact I think he's been pretty good in most of the games he's played but I also don't buy into this he's missing DC argument.
I think it’s also because the alternative isn’t great. On form Tavernier is a really good player for us, he probably hopes he’ll snap out of it and find that form. But I do think it’s went too far now and he needs hooked.
Polster might not be great, but if he can get through 90 minutes without gift wrapping a goal for the opposition then he’s already doing better than Tavernier has been lately.
I can’t think of anyone who has performed so poorly with horrendous individual errors that have impacted our chances in Europe and at the top of the league and nothing will be done about it.
Let’s see if Gerrard rightly leaves him out or having him constantly making huge errors in big games when it matters letting us down and down again and again or is it more hassle than it’s worth the unrest it would cause?
We are hardly in a position were our manager can lose the dressing room with such call as it could be catastrophic to our title chances but should we just stick with it until we get a better captain at a better time?
I think we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t at the moment.
Not an option I'm keen on at present.Flanagan isn't the answer. We'll have to play Tavernier and hope he comes out the other side of this
Hopfully now Kent's back and Murphy not far away we wont see him again missing Jack aswel tbh I'd send him back he offers nothing and looks lazy a lot of the TimeOjo isn't the captain and should have been dropped well before now so it's not exclusive to the captain.
Maybe it's because he's the best we have in that position.I can’t think of anyone who has performed so poorly with horrendous individual errors that have impacted our chances in Europe and at the top of the league and nothing will be done about it.
Let’s see if Gerrard rightly leaves him out or having him constantly making huge errors in big games when it matters letting us down and down again and again or is it more hassle than it’s worth the unrest it would cause?
We are hardly in a position were our manager can lose the dressing room with such call as it could be catastrophic to our title chances but should we just stick with it until we get a better captain at a better time?
I think we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t at the moment.
The captain should be the on-field embodiment of the manager plus a big dollop of example-setting.Doesn't matter armband or no armband.... he needs to be dropped because of his performances and continual costly mistakes. He cannot be relied upon and this is not 1 game .. we have had a few seasons of this!
Re: captain. I know it's easier said than done but by God I miss a Ferguson style leader.. someone who will drive the team on days like yesterday and not accept performances like that.
Being a captain of Rangers is more than just an armband and doing pr off the pitch, it's being the guy on the pitch who won't accept 2nd best, who will fight to the end and push his teammates to fight like him as well.
Ryan Jack is as close as we could get to being that leader and would thrive in it.
The sooner we make the change the better imo.