By UEFA.Pathetic that a tremendous refrain of musical notes is “banned” - by who ? The music police ?
Sing the tune but not the F word - all else is bullshit.
By UEFA.Pathetic that a tremendous refrain of musical notes is “banned” - by who ? The music police ?
Sing the tune but not the F word - all else is bullshit.
I know you’ve been banging on about ambiguity, but honestly there isn’t any. This was clarified by the club at the time. The song cannot be sung “in any form”. It genuinely can’t be clearer.I might be reading it too literally (or it might be the ambiguity that I’ve been badgering on about) but does the 2006 judgement not refer to the combination of the words and the melody which culminate in the sectarian and discriminatory behaviour... hence why the tune is permitted when used by other clubs?
“The opening words “Hello, hello, we are the Billy Boys”, as well as the melody, are sufficient to make an association with an attitude that is strongly sectarian and thus discriminatory.”
Mark, my understanding at the time was that the club exhausted its appeals within UEFA and chose not to go to CAS, rather than simply waiving it’s right to appeal. I confess that I remember gathering that impression from the joint statement.The club waived its right of appeal.
My UEFA. Who’s competitions we’d quite like to play in.Pathetic that a tremendous refrain of musical notes is “banned” - by who ? The music police ?
Sing the tune but not the F word - all else is bullshit.
at which point would you be happy, see guys like you dont get it, we have people that want todo damage and people like you want to help them.Why should we not sing TBB ? I fully understand the word 19th Century Terrorist not being sung
We cannot sing it in any form. Any attempt to change the words will inevitably end up in people using the original words and getting us in trouble.
It’s finished. Let it go.
Do you think Man Utd will be punished for their version too?
If not why not?
People are now acting like anything to the tune of Marching Through Georgia is an offensive.
The song TBB originates from the razor gangs in Glasgow in the 30's the name Billy is nothing to do with King William of Orange, it refers to the notorious Billy Fullerton who was the leader of the Brigton' Billy Boys and my father and his twin brother were members of the gang..Their main rivals were the mainly Catholic gang The San Toi from Calton.Part of the lyrics of the song '' We chased the San Toi up the Gallowgate cause we are the Brigton' Billy Boys''..I have not heard those lyrics sung at Ibrox for yearsYears ago my Dad told me these were the original words to the Billy boys anyone else heard these lyrics ?
Hello hello you`ll hear us proudly cry
hello hello as we go marching by
we`ll sing the sash and Derry`s walls
and of the heroes of the Boyne
as we go marching to Ibrox
No F words so wonder if this version would be politically correct !
Because Manchester United haven’t had a UEFA judgement handed down to them that specifically precribes them from singing “any form” of the song, melody included.Do you think Man Utd will be punished for their version too?
If not why not?
People are now acting like anything to the tune of Marching Through Georgia is an offensive.
Not quite sure why you've responded like this to a song about Rangers.
Because Manchester United haven’t had a UEFA judgement handed down to them that specifically precribes them from singing “any form” of the song, melody included.
It’s really that simple. If one day they do receive such a judgement then they will also have to abide by it if they want to play in UEFA competitions. Same for any other club.
You’re very kind, but I’ll just repeat what I said earlier in the thread when someone said I was patient. I’m not, I’m desperate.LJ just to say well done on this thread so far.
You've been spectacularly patient and bang on with the facts against some posters who really are not grasping the potential severity of the current situation.
If this is how difficult self policing is on a forum imagine the complete cluster f*k Ibrox is going to be. People to need to wisen up very quickly
I really don’t.
But it is really, really fucking important that people understand this. We don’t have to like it. But we have to accept it or it’ll be empty Ibrox, followed by no Europe, followed by more years in the wilderness as a result of the financial and reputational damage it will do to us. Anyone who thinks we attract Gerrard as our manger and retain players like Morelos when we have no money and no European football to offer them is utterly delusional.
After everything we’ve been through, I can’t face that.
My kids who have never been to any football match have sung this song since they could speak.I sang it to them and they sang the words I miss.Would love to hear this at Ibrox again.This is the one I knew when I was growing up listening to rangers records
We are the people who sing of victory
We follow Glasgow Rangers from Kilmarnock to Dundee
We follow Glasgow Rangers our hearts are strong and true
For we are the people who cheer the boys in blue.
A goal! A goal!
We're ready to acclaim
A goal! A goal!
To win another game
We follow Glasgow Rangers our hearts are strong and true.
For we are the people who cheer the boys in blue.
I only learned the "alternative" version as I got older.
We cannot sing it in any form. Any attempt to change the words will inevitably end up in people using the original words and getting us in trouble.
It’s finished. Let it go.
Please read the thread. Please read the judgement. It will tell you exactly why Man Utd can sing the tune but we can’t, in Europe at least.It can be sung if the words are changed, dont tell me that every other club in the world would be able to sing it with different words and we couldn't, it's just complete nonsense. Man utd sing it, Kilmarnock sing it, why are they not being hauled over the coals???
I am going to make it my mission to get a new version of it and get it endorsed by the club.
I, myself, would love to read "the directive". Can you point me to your source. The only thing that I can find isIf you can read my post then you are also capable of reading the directive. Just because you don’t want it to be true, it doesn’t mean it’s not. Just because it isn’t fair, it doesn’t mean they can’t.
Match: UEFA Europa League first qualifying round second-leg match between Rangers FC and St Joseph's FC (6:0), 18 July in Scotland
Charges against Rangers FC:
- Racist behaviour (sectarian chants) - Art. 14 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
Decision:
The Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body has decided to order a partial closure of the stadium during the next one (1) UEFA competition match in which Rangers FC play as the host club, for the racist behaviour of its supporters. Rangers FC shall, as a matter of urgency, inform UEFA of the sector(s) to be closed, which shall at least comprehend 3,000 seats. The Scottish club is ordered to display a banner with the wording “#EqualGame”, with the UEFA logo on it. The banner shall be displayed in the sector(s) to be closed.
I posted it earlier in the thread.I, myself, would love to read "the directive". Can you point me to your source. The only thing that I can find is
It’s 15 pages. Our acknowledgment they we have to abide by whatever judgements they hand down is at the top of page 10. The reference to the melody is at the top of page 12, the explicit prescribing of the song “in any form” is on page 14.
http://www.linfieldfc.com/pdfs/8393_rangers_vs_uefa.pdf
LJ just to say well done on this thread so far.
You've been spectacularly patient and bang on with the facts against some posters who really are not grasping the potential severity of the current situation.
If this is how difficult self policing is on a forum imagine the complete cluster f*k Ibrox is going to be. People to need to wisen up very quickly
Please read the thread. Please read the judgement. It will tell you exactly why Man Utd can sing the tune but we can’t, in Europe at least.
I would hold off on your mission until our other bold poster has been successful in his challenge to UEFA. Because unless and until UEFA overturn their own judgment, you’ll get the club to endorse no version. Put your energies into something else in the meantime.
If it's the actual tune that's the problem with the politically correct arses not the words every other wee club has there own pish version even the 7th cavalry
According to the evidence at hand, it is obvious that the „Billy Boys‟ song, whatever the lyrics, is far from being just a well-intentioned supporters' song. On the contrary, people from Scotland, when hearing the song, would automatically connect the chant with a general anti-Catholic attitude and the Billy Boys gang of the 1920s... The opening words “Hello, hello, we are the Billy Boys”, as well as the melody, are sufficient to make an association with an attitude that is strongly sectarian and thus discriminatory. "
UEFA have decided that in our case the melody itself is inextricably linked with a sectarian (discriminatory) attitude.
Man Utd's version, for example, has no such baggage.
Hello, hello we are the Busby Boys, Hello, hello we are the Busby Boys, And if you are a City fan, Surrender or you'll die, We all follow United!
Tunes are now offensive, hahahaha, let's see how that would stand up in court.
Nice of you to copy from wikipedia.The song TBB originates from the razor gangs in Glasgow in the 30's the name Billy is nothing to do with King William of Orange, it refers to the notorious Billy Fullerton who was the leader of the Brigton' Billy Boys and my father and his twin brother were members of the gang..Their main rivals were the mainly Catholic gang The San Toi from Calton.Part of the lyrics of the song '' We chased the San Toi up the Gallowgate cause we are the Brigton' Billy Boys''..I have not heard those lyrics sung at Ibrox for years
Hearts, killie... man utd if uefa have banned it differant words or not im sure they will close parts of old trafford as you say the song is bannedHonestly despair at the thought that ppl are still trying to still circumvent this issue by changing the words etc
I dunno how hard it is to understand.
UEFA have banned the song in all guises.
I know you’ve been banging on about ambiguity, but honestly there isn’t any. This was clarified by the club at the time. The song cannot be sung “in any form”. It genuinely can’t be clearer.
It's uefa who have punished us though not the SPFL/SFA. Punishment domestically for singing it though definitely looks like it is coming. Your argument becomes if and when we get punished for it domestically; but as the song is hopefully getting binned by our support it won't come to thatThe annoying thing is Ayr fans sing up to their knees in Killie blood and Dundee sing Arab blood. I await their punishment from the SPFL/SFA.
UEFA banned it in any form. And also because if you think for one second people are going to sing an updated version then you'd deluded and/or naive in the extreme.
Years ago my Dad told me these were the original words to the Billy boys anyone else heard these lyrics ?
Hello hello you`ll hear us proudly cry
hello hello as we go marching by
we`ll sing the sash and Derry`s walls
and of the heroes of the Boyne
as we go marching to Ibrox
No F words so wonder if this version would be politically correct !
Don’t you think some would fall into habits and sing the other words ?Years ago my Dad told me these were the original words to the Billy boys anyone else heard these lyrics ?
Hello hello you`ll hear us proudly cry
hello hello as we go marching by
we`ll sing the sash and Derry`s walls
and of the heroes of the Boyne
as we go marching to Ibrox
No F words so wonder if this version would be politically correct !
How hard is it to understand that whether it would stand up in court or not is irrelevant? In their judgement, UEFA even acknowledged that.Tunes are now offensive, hahahaha, let's see how that would stand up in court.
They shouldn’t. But, until someone else has a similar judgement against them, they do.Of we are not allowed to sing it in any form then I hope the same counts for every other team that has the same melody i.e. Killie. If not then surely we have a case for discrimination.
Just to poin out, I am in no way advocating that we should be allowed to continue singing TBB or any other "add ons" to other songs. I just think that these rulings about the melody and other non sectarian lyrics should not be applied only to us.
As another side point, If we are singing these songs as a statement against Celtic, then why the need to sing them at every game no matter who we are playing.
Bullsh*tSadly this is true
Hello hello we are the Billy Boys, Hello Hello you,ll know us by our noise
We follow Glasgow Rangers , were loyal and were true
We are the people who cheer the boys in Blue
You know what happens if we take football authorities to court? Remember our illegal transfer ban?Tunes are now offensive, hahahaha, let's see how that would stand up in court.
I don't know who is right but I do remember after the PSV game it was plainly stated that the song to any tune of different words was also banned.Some misinformation being spread here or misunderstood.
Of course the melody of the BB isn't banned. UEFA cannot ban a 'tune'.
You have to remember, UEFA just get a 'song' reported to them. They have said this song is unacceptable and effectively banned.
Much like Sloop John B (Famine Song) isn't banned...it is the words, not the melody.
My old man had an old record and the words wereYears ago my Dad told me these were the original words to the Billy boys anyone else heard these lyrics ?
Hello hello you`ll hear us proudly cry
hello hello as we go marching by
we`ll sing the sash and Derry`s walls
and of the heroes of the Boyne
as we go marching to Ibrox
No F words so wonder if this version would be politically correct !
According to the evidence at hand, it is obvious that the „Billy Boys‟ song, whatever the lyrics, is far from being just a well-intentioned supporters' song. On the contrary, people from Scotland, when hearing the song, would automatically connect the chant with a general anti-Catholic attitude and the Billy Boys gang of the 1920s... The opening words “Hello, hello, we are the Billy Boys”, as well as the melody, are sufficient to make an association with an attitude that is strongly sectarian and thus discriminatory. "
UEFA have decided that in our case the melody itself is inextricably linked with a sectarian (discriminatory) attitude.
Man Utd's version, for example, has no such baggage.
Hello, hello we are the Busby Boys, Hello, hello we are the Busby Boys, And if you are a City fan, Surrender or you'll die, We all follow United!