Disco Deejay
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Wonderful observation. And your problem is?Good grief you actually sat and wrote that..
Wonderful observation. And your problem is?Good grief you actually sat and wrote that..
From 2016:
"Rangers is now aware of an alleged incident involving an individual who worked very briefly for the club more than 25 years ago.
"It's understood the individual was dismissed immediately and that the police were informed.
"Rangers wishes to stress that all employees adhere to the strictest codes of conduct, especially when dealing with children and young people.
"Rangers have not been approached by Police Scotland or any authority regarding this allegation."
So, the bit in bold. Where did Rangers get that information/understanding from in 2016? The club need to come out and clarify this. Anyone there at the time needs to be questioned.
Not interested in the other club or "hollicom". This is our club and if they've failed this guy then I want those responsible punished.
In 1991, police raised Crime Reports on paper forms. They were not yet computerised.
This alleged incident was not witnessed and if Neely was interviewed, it would have been done under caution. If he denied the allegation, or maintained his right to remain silent, there would have been no corroboration to the allegation. It would have been his word against the boys and insufficient evidence to report the matter to the PF.
I don't wish to make light of the incident, but the boy wasn't indecently assaulted, he had his trousers pulled down, with the threat of having his bum spanked for being naughty, but no spanking took place. As an isolated incident, it could easily have been construed by cops that if the incident did happen, it was possibly a joke that was taken too far and wasn't crime of the century.
The outcome would have been scribbled on the back of the form and it would have been sent for filing as enquiry complete.
The chances of a paper report where no crime was established still being around almost 30 years later, are pretty remote.
Daly is trying to make something out of nothing and this stinks of a certain PR Company working for the Bheasts From The East, stoking the flames and trying to deflect blame.
The Rangers News clipping about Neely departure is being used in a manner which would lead you to believe the club were complicit in his behaviour. It’s very short and to the point - and why would a Rangers News employee be expected to know the ins and outs of his departure when it’s the subject of a report to the police about an incredibly serious matter which may, or may not, turn out to be true?
Lastly, the implication is clearly given that Rangers facilitated Neely continued involvement in football when he set up a private vehicle to run soccer classes. No club, or individual, had or has the ability to stop the activities of a private individual when the police can’t. That is an impossibilist scenario.
I will tell you something for an absolute fact, because I know of the family, the victim’s (who rightly won’t be named) father was a serving police officer at the time this took place. It was report alright.
When you sack someone for something like that, you CANNOT put reasons like “he was accused of being a paedophile” - it doesn’t work like that.
Absolutely. If mistakes were made we should own them and deal with the consequences. There should be no hiding place for those who knowingly or unknowingly allowed paedophiles to go unpunished.If this turns out to be true then whoever covered this up should be arrested and jailed.
No fucking bullshitting or excuses.
whats wrong with it?Good grief you actually sat and wrote that..
I’m guessing his son speaks on behalf of himself and his father. Rangers should also apologise/compensate ASAP. Absolutely the right thing to do. Surely nobody would disagree?Is the victims father still alive then? He could surely nail this quite easily.
Surprised Rangers haven’t commented and met this head on. Should call on an open investigation and we should apologise and pay compensation ASAP
Where is this confirmation you speak of? There has been no evidence presented to a court and no verdict recorded only hearsay. You are perpetrating the myth and passing it on as truth. Are you on the right forum? I have just watched the news and it is a stitch up an dI am sure the club will respond.It is bold, but I’ll be honest, if the guy was sexually abused (and we certainly believed that something untoward happened, we’ve confirmed that already) and no one was punished then I understand his anger and can’t condemn him for directing it everywhere and anywhere. There is a reason we don’t have victims deciding punishments, emotion will usually override logic and facts.
I have never once seen a BBC article with Celtic and Cover Up mentioned.
When it is evidenced that there was one.
BBC have used that for Rangers when there is no evidence.
Odd that.
I get what you mean but as a lawyer myself I always try and see these things from the perspective of the perceived victim. I want rangers to deal with this now; the longer they stay silent the worse it will get.I'm sorry but what happened to this boy, whilst shocking, is in no way comparable to what happened at other football clubs.
Rangers claim that it was reported at the time, until it's proven that we didn't report it I'm calling bullshit.
I will tell you something for an absolute fact, because I know of the family, the victim’s (who rightly won’t be named) father was a serving police officer at the time this took place. It was report alright.
When you sack someone for something like that, you CANNOT put reasons like “he was accused of being a paedophile” - it doesn’t work like that.
Is the victims father still alive then? He could surely nail this quite easily.
Isn’t the victim saying it wasn’t reported?I will tell you something for an absolute fact, because I know of the family, the victim’s (who rightly won’t be named) father was a serving police officer at the time this took place. It was reported alright. They will try an hide behind entire anonymity and avoid reporting that because it suits the agenda.
When you sack someone for something like that, you CANNOT put reasons like “he was accused of being a paedophile” - it doesn’t work like that.
I'm not being arsey here mate this is important, is the word "report" a typo when it should be reported?
The club could not say why he’d left before any trial.Not sure if I buy that to be honest.
If there were 100 departing employees at the same time then maybe, but surely word would have came down from up top to just say he's left the club, nothing else. Like we've done with some players who have left recently.
Isn’t the victim saying it wasn’t reported?
His lawyers would have been ramping that up not him imo. So as far as i can see, this came about after said victim visited a police station. Was he reporting it or looking to gather paperwork for a claim.?Quite a bold statement from the guy saying 'total lies' in regard to us reporting it to the police.
Quite a bold statement from the guy saying 'total lies' in regard to us reporting it to the police.
Graeme Souness was our manager. He knows what happened.My understanding (which could be wrong) was he harassed 1 boy verbally, the boy told his father who was a cop, the cop went straight to Walter who called the police to inform them (they did %^*& aw) and ensured Neely was fired?
We need someone around the club at the time to put the record straight and go after those accusing Walter, and others, of wrong doing.
Just for the record if this did happen I will be completely disgusted at those in charge at the time.
He is. The interviewer should ask him what his father done for a living at the time.
I hate to ask this question. But would the events described, Spanking a child on the bare, been criminal at that point of time in Scotland? I was spanked at school around that same time frame in the early 90s here in America. I agree that what happen is wrong but don't know if the police would have taken it seriously at that time.
I’d expect them both to release statements shortlyWalter and Souness need to tell their story
Is this leading story on BBC Scotland now?
I disagree, until there is evidence, and not somebody looking for cash possibly lying and at the moment is anonymous. Why has he not revealed who he is like others have, if he is genuine? If I said the same. would you pay me compensation?I’m guessing his son speaks on behalf of himself and his father. Rangers should also apologise/compensate ASAP. Absolutely the right thing to do. Surely nobody would disagree?
Did his father die before he came forward in 2016I believe he’s now passed away. His mother is alive.
If Neely was innocent wouldn’t he have sued us for wrongful dismissal?
if the press start accusing Mr Souness or Mr Smith if lying I’m sure they won’t take that lying down
The people most at fault here are the boy’s parents. Why on earth would you not go to the police if your son had been sexually assaulted? I find that hard to comprehend.
It was the belt (or tawse) in Scottish schools, rather than the cane, but you are right, things were different back then.So the allegations are that the boy had his pants pulled down and was threatened with a spanking?
Obviously in this day and age it is horrendous behaviour and would be without a doubt be a criminal offence, but please excuse my ignorance - was that the norm back then?
Were boys being spanked in school?
The cane was abolished in state schools in 1987 if I recall correctly.
Both Walter and Souness have never varied in their recollection of events.