I actually believe this as well. The Rangers job is a helluva lot closer pressure and expectation wise to managing Liverpool than a job like Aston Villa ever will be.He is further from the Liverpool job at Villa than he would have been here and competing.
What's not?It's not gonna happen for Gerrard at Villa really is it?
What's not?
Nope.You don't think AV could do what West Ham did this year? I disagree.
Interesting pointSerious question, is it Gio, or Voss, or Makaay, or a combination of the three? We all knew and understood the dynamic of Gerrards management team down to Culshaw on set pieces etc. but I don’t think the fanbase knows much about how Gio’s operates.
Interesting point
Don't watch so much of Gio's interviews as I find him very boring but from what I have seen Gerrard spoke much more about his team and appeared more enthusiastic about sharing the credit around.
I have never heard Gio talk about what his guy's do
Not that it matters so long as it works but an interesting contrast in personalities
Serious question, is it Gio, or Voss, or Makaay, or a combination of the three? We all knew and understood the dynamic of Gerrards management team down to Culshaw on set pieces etc. but I don’t think the fanbase knows much about how Gio’s operates.
Would question how flexible City and Liverpool are TBHI wish him and Gerrard well, but I think we have seen Since they left how one dimensional they Led us in their time at the helm. They had 433 with Morelos up top and no real alternatives bar the Motherwell game we tried 352 in. It’s been the same at villa as well, plan a done well, plan b is plan A but not as good.
Teams who want to win things need to be flexible, given how he reacted on twitter to criticism at times I don’t see it going well if he manages
From what I've read, Vos is the details guy. Gio and Makaay are jacks of all trades, do a mix of man management and coaching. But Vos is the tactics boffin of the group. Gio has worked with a number of coaches both as a player and as a coach. He was Koeman's assistant at Feyenoord for a bit too.
Gio, from what I've read is very well rounded as a coach in his own right. He worked for 5 years in the Feyenoord set up, before making the step up to be the main man. Many people in Holland speculated that Paul van Gastel was the brains of operation during his time at Feyenoord, but I'm beginning to think that was perhaps overplayed because he didn't join Gio at Ibrox and Gio has adapted to that just fine.
Good for you, now off you pop out the thread and let everyone else have a big boy discussionNever has a member of back room staff enjoyed such fanfare. I’ll be eternally grateful for what Gerrard and his management team did for our club but can’t say I’m the least bit interested in whether Michael Beale works for a no mark Premier League team or a no mark League 1 team.
Europe this yearWhether you like it or not, we are not where we are without Gerrard. He transformed our club from fighting it out with Aberdeen for second place, to winning the league, and being a European force again. The team that just fell short of winning a second European trophy was ultimately a Gerrard team. Stop acting like a jilted lover and move on.
Did you get to know him as a person when he was living up here?I dislike him as a person. Nothing to do with him leaving Rangers. Beale left rangers and I'd take him back here in a heartbeat.
Europe this year
Played 19
Gerrard 8 games, 2 wins 4 loss 2 draws
Gio. 11 games 5 wins 3 loss 3 draws
But we’ll ignore that record because, reasons
Who becomes Gerrard's new Beale, when Beale is no longer being Beale?
That is the question.
Aye mate, was his paper boy. Terrible tipper.Did you get to know him as a person when he was living up here?
Only time will tell ,but I'm sure he'll be a huge successHe can coach but can he manage?
It was Vos who made the switch v Dortmund apparently.From what I've read, Vos is the details guy. Gio and Makaay are jacks of all trades, do a mix of man management and coaching. But Vos is the tactics boffin of the group. Gio has worked with a number of coaches both as a player and as a coach. He was Koeman's assistant at Feyenoord for a bit too.
Gio, from what I've read is very well rounded as a coach in his own right. He worked for 5 years in the Feyenoord set up, before making the step up to be the main man. Many people in Holland speculated that Paul van Gastel was the brains of operation during his time at Feyenoord, but I'm beginning to think that was perhaps overplayed because he didn't join Gio at Ibrox and Gio has adapted to that just fine.
To my mind, Gerrard was always mainly a figurehead at Ibrox. In fact, he said himself that Beale was the coach / tactician. If Beale leaves, I'll be interested to see if Gerrard decides to replace him and, if so, with whom. If he doesn't replace him then - for better or worse - we'll get a clearer idea of his own coaching / managerial skills.Will be interesting to see his progress, and also Gerrards, if this becomes reality.
I’m not really getting why most here are super impressed with this management teams tactics compared to the previous regime. The previous regime won the league at a canter and this regime blew a good lead.
So I assume we are talking about winning games in Scotland when the league was already gone, or it’s based on the great European performance. It has to be remembered the previous regime built this team that has been great in Europe, always did well, and were improving by the year in that arena. However the current regime has definitely stepped that up a level in Europe. The proof will be in the week to week performance in Scotland - and the jury is still out on that.
Aye mate, was his paper boy. Terrible tipper.
I don't discount the fact that Gerrard and his staff dragged Rangers' standards back up to where they should be, and I'm grateful for that. But after they all moved to AV, the team became Gio's team. It took some time for the players to adapt to Gio (and his staff)'s ideas - and that's why we lost the league - but it wasn't "Gerrard's team" that was a penalty kick away for the UEL. It was Gio's team.Whether you like it or not, we are not where we are without Gerrard. He transformed our club from fighting it out with Aberdeen for second place, to winning the league, and being a European force again. The team that just fell short of winning a second European trophy was ultimately a Gerrard team. Stop acting like a jilted lover and move on.
Yes I get that Europe was great - but if all these players are as improved as you say, and the tactics better, then why didn’t the team win the league? The sum of the parts domestically didn’t look as impressive as last year - so I’m not really buying all the noise that tactically we are much better. A 25 point gap is a pretty good ‘tactic’ from the previous regime.People are impressed because the players have literally come out and said publicly that Gio and his team are great tactically. It took a while for them to get used to his style but they are enjoying their football under him. That's a good sign.
He's also managed to bag his first trophy at Ibrox already and was a penalty shoot out away from guiding us to our first European trophy in 50 years. He did this with a squad that he's barely been allowed to tweak or add to. Also visible improvement in players like Bassey and Lundstram. Not to mention the turnaround in form of Morelos and Aribo at points this season under him.
That's what people are impressed/excited about with regards to Gio and Co.
Yes I get that Europe was great - but if all these players are as improved as you say, and the tactics better, then why didn’t the team win the league? The sum of the parts domestically didn’t look as impressive as last year - so I’m not really buying all the noise that tactically we are much better. A 25 point gap is a pretty good ‘tactic’ from the previous regime.
Reason #1: Gerrard left us in the lurch, and the players had to learn what Gio and his staff wanted. And that - perfectly understandably - took some time.Yes I get that Europe was great - but if all these players are as improved as you say, and the tactics better, then why didn’t the team win the league? The sum of the parts domestically didn’t look as impressive as last year - so I’m not really buying all the noise that tactically we are much better. A 25 point gap is a pretty good ‘tactic’ from the previous regime.
If that's the case he better do a damn good job at wherever he goes and not use us eventually as a launch pad to get to some English giant such as Southampton. Frankly his potential return makes me nervous.I have it from the horses mouth (Beale himself) that it’s in his plans to return to us one day. I will watch with interest as his career progresses but he loves it here and wants to come back at some point.
I think Gio will go from strength to strength. It took Gerrard time to rebuild us. Gio's rebuild should be far easier.
How long did it take gerrard to get it right in ScotlandI’m not really getting why most here are super impressed with this management teams tactics compared to the previous regime. The previous regime won the league at a canter and this regime blew a good lead.
So I assume we are talking about winning games in Scotland when the league was already gone, or it’s based on the great European performance. It has to be remembered the previous regime built this team that has been great in Europe, always did well, and were improving by the year in that arena. However the current regime has definitely stepped that up a level in Europe. The proof will be in the week to week performance in Scotland - and the jury is still out on that.
He'd be better off going to Charlton with Beale ,as Beales number 2.It's not gonna happen for Gerrard at Villa really is it?
Old Firm games and Europe he cracked almost right away.Considering the mess he inherited and the filths financial advantages,he did an unbelievable job making us invincible champions in 3 seasons.How long did it take gerrard to get it right in Scotland
Pretty sure being able to get the better of EPL managers gets you more credit in the bank than breaking down a bank of 10 men in Scotland and the tactical geniuses such as Jim Goodwin and Mark McGheeI actually believe this as well. The Rangers job is a helluva lot closer pressure and expectation wise to managing Liverpool than a job like Aston Villa ever will be.
Its a lot of pish people thinking he had to somehow pit his wits against EPL managers to progress to the Liverpool hotseat, but he seems to have swallyed that belief.
Not really comparable as he inherited a crapfest of a team that had to be totally rebuilt. He survived because we could all see the improvement year on year. Different scenario from taking on a team who had cantered to the league previously and had a six point lead.How long did it take gerrard to get it right in Scotland
Completely agree with this - Michael Beale is a very popular coach…he has published a lot of coaching drills and is well thought off, however it seems to be a failing of modern coaches to play one way only (see Bielsa, Flange, Gerrard, Warburton to name but a few) - I hope if he goes to Charlton he’s a success and is flexible - maybe Gerrard is domineering when it comes to the system he wants to play, so we’ll find out what Beale is like when he becomes his own manI wish him and Gerrard well, but I think we have seen Since they left how one dimensional they Led us in their time at the helm. They had 433 with Morelos up top and no real alternatives bar the Motherwell game we tried 352 in. It’s been the same at villa as well, plan a done well, plan b is plan A but not as good.
Teams who want to win things need to be flexible, given how he reacted on twitter to criticism at times I don’t see it going well if he manages
Beale was the tactician!I loved Beale and thank him hugely for the job he did but, in game at least, Gio is a different level tactically.
Hahaha aye I’m sure he will, because Steven Gerrard won’t be able to attract another top class coach? FfsGerrard will crumble.
They were ALL having talks in London, whilst telling everyone the opportunity came out of the blueWas Beale ever discussed for our job. I’m sure if he felt ready the board wouldn’t have kkown
Do you know him personally?I dislike him as a person. Nothing to do with him leaving Rangers. Beale left rangers and I'd take him back here in a heartbeat.