I would even say short term aswell ...realistically in the long term this is probably bad for us
I would even say short term aswell ...realistically in the long term this is probably bad for us
'I want to break free' popped into my head reading that...Staunch, but it's true.
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Cannae wait. Playing in a competition that we'll never win.Exactly what I mean mate. We would be getting scudded in 90% of CL matches and that's the reality. It would get very tiring after a while.
We have zero chance of winning the Champions League. Are you suggesting we do?Cannae wait. Playing in a competition that we'll never win.
Make the best of this week everyone, looks like it will be our last chance of winning a trophy.
No, that's what I meant by playing a tournament we'll never win. Give me the excitement of this seasons el any day, rather than making up the numbers for the teams who threatened to go their own way.We have zero chance of winning the Champions League. Are you suggesting we do?
Ah totallyNo, that's what I meant by playing a tournament we'll never win. Give me the excitement of this seasons el any day, rather than making up the numbers for the teams who threatened to go their own way.
not happening as far as I know nowIs scotland going to get 2 confirmed spots every year or do we still need to qualify?
I think for that to happen (under the current and new system) Scotland would need to be 6th (currently Portugal) in the country coefficients.not happening as far as I know now
its now 8 games instead of 10 nowI think for that to happen (under the current and new system) Scotland would need to be 6th (currently Portugal) in the country coefficients.
Country coefficients
The other clubs would need to really pull their socks up to get us anywhere near 6th.
I can't see that happening anytime soon.
Atlantic league then?Basically it’s a move towards one big European league.
All three tournaments are moving into this new format, it’s not just the champions league.
Three leagues of 36 teams participating.
As I say within a decade domestic football will be secondary.
Who knows mate or one big European set up for the top 120 clubs or so?Atlantic league then?
It is so that Manchester Utd can be included when they finish in 6th in the EPL!!!It's not a bad idea but why it's limited to 2 teams and you still have 20 automatically qualifying from the big 5 is stupid.
Lots of people say this but I don't agree. UEFA has to keep the big 5 happy as that's what generates the money and they don't always get the balance right but they do try to look out for all the National Associations, two examples - the Champions qualification path and the Conference League.every single thing done by UEFA is done with that sole purpose in mind
League Cup should be for those teams not playing in Europe with the winner getting a spot in the Conference playoffs - guarantees a different team playing European football each year.one domestic cup( Scottish ) or enter B sides into league cup
Yes we do - that's why the League needs to be cut back, make the split after 22 games so a total of 32.Don’t we play enough games already ffs?
I hope this is seriously considered. More European football for Scottish clubs would benefit everyone. Clubs like hibs hearts celtic etc could compete in the conference.Yes we do - that's why the League needs to be cut back, make the split after 22 games so a total of 32.
we doDon’t we play enough games already ffs? At least the league cup format has changed. Less games there.
Think that's right, once in champions/europa League you will not drop down to Europa/conference.Looks like theres no dropping down from CL to EL after the groups now?
Would give Scotlands 2nd placed team a better chance of getting further in the EL.
Scotlands Champions also have a slightly easier route to qualify, if they don't manage to get in automatically.
The Super Cup and Club World Championship fixtures are needless IMO although would be good to boast about being the best team in the world right enough !!!Next season is going to be a f##king expensive one with potential champs league games, super cup and the club world championship and that's all before you factor in domestic games. Anyone want to buy a kidney it's well worn and may be slightly contaminated by years of malt whisky.
Spot on.There will end up too many dead rubbers in this set up
Can't drop into the el? F**k that, we have absolutely no chance of winning the cl and will just be there to make up the numbers.Looks like theres no dropping down from CL to EL after the groups now?
Would give Scotlands 2nd placed team a better chance of getting further in the EL.
Scotlands Champions also have a slightly easier route to qualify, if they don't manage to get in automatically.
just need to hope the fan organisation arguments are still on goingThere will end up too many dead rubbers in this set up
Because It's one League, and up to 24th qualify for the play offs, I can see the last round of games will still have everything to play for.Spot on.
dont give uefa ideas lolWith size of squads I can see football seasons going 12 months a year.
Yeah can still go down via the qualifiersThink that's right, once in champions/europa League you will not drop down to Europa/conference.
Presumably the route to Europa will still exist for those losing champions League qualifiers?
even more matches if we lose co-efficiant pointsYeah can still go down via the qualifiers
Champions League maybe but the whole point of the Conference is to give more National Associations a place in the Group Stages.They dont want the champions of Latvia, Cyprus,Finland or the lower nations making any progress in European competitions.
seems subject is back on agenda
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin says clubs in Scotland don't ever need to worry about a breakaway from the Champions League and joining a European Super League.Where?
This attitude to our tinpot league will change quite quickly if we are continually battered in the CL like we were this season.Anything that takes us away from turgid domestic garbage and closer to European football is great with me.
We have outgrown the tinpot, hateful cesspit we currently play in.
When you say the modern era do you mean sports-washing investments from mega rich nation states and international tycoons? Owners openly trying to pry the teams away from their own fans, the "legacy fans" as they call them, and trying to attract international fans instead? Imagine someone like the Chelsea owner bought us, doubled ticket prices and started talking about moving our games to be played in the US instead of Ibrox. That's how I see the modern era of football.Totally agree with this. The old argument “ ah but we need four old firm games “ will be dead in the water as it’s dwarfed by what we will make in Europe. We will eventually move towards a 16 or 18 team top flight play each other twice giving 30 or 34 league fixtures and the league cup will be canned or B teams play in it.
And to be honest, not before time. The Scottish set up will eventually be dragged albeit kicking and screaming into the modern era.
I think the downward spiral began in the 70's with the creation of the "Top Ten" SPL removing any chance of teams outwith the OF of building a challenge as they had often done before. The Aberdeen CWC team of the 80's were pretty much a product of the old 18 team format.When you say the modern era do you mean sports-washing investments from mega rich nation states and international tycoons? Owners openly trying to pry the teams away from their own fans, the "legacy fans" as they call them, and trying to attract international fans instead? Imagine someone like the Chelsea owner bought us, doubled ticket prices and started talking about moving our games to be played in the US instead of Ibrox. That's how I see the modern era of football.
We can moan about Scottish football all we want but the reality is that English football is strangling our football. In the 80s Rangers were the richest team in the UK, Dundee United reached the semi final of the European Cup in 83 and the UEFA Cup final in 87, Aberdeen won the Cup Winners Cup and the Super Cup. Then Sky TV rebrand the English Premier League pumping untold billions into it while leaving us to rot. Did Scottish football just die a random death or were there outside forces causing it to die a death?
I don't know the way out I just know how we got here.
Great post. They ran the polls and when results showed unequivocally the fans said make the league bigger and play each other twice, the SPFL just dismissed the poll. Self interest is killing the game, it’s a survival mode for many, there’s no evolving whatsoever.I think the downward spiral began in the 70's with the creation of the "Top Ten" SPL removing any chance of teams outwith the OF of building a challenge as they had often done before. The Aberdeen CWC team of the 80's were pretty much a product of the old 18 team format.
Most fans were against it but were ignored and attendances began to fall.
More recently in 2012, all scotlands supporters Trusts voted overwhelmingly to go back to a similar format. The SPFL rejected it as "not representative of the real supporters".
They organised a poll over their own and the fans voted against it again This time with an increased majority, well over 80% I think it was..
The SPL/SFA again rejected it. Their own poll mind you. "Scotland cant afford it" was the excuse. Meaning greedy board rooms wanted to keeping sucking on the OF teat at the expense of the long term future of their own and other clubs.
I disagree mate. The change came with the Souness Revolution and Rangers suddenly splashing the cash on major players from down South - aided by their absence from European competition of course. The Dhims, naturally, tried to follow suit, nearly went bust but then recovered. Aberdeen tried, at a lower level, to follow suit. Hell, even Hearts and Dundee had a go. As we well know, not even the Old Firm could sustain that model and had to rein themselves in - but, suddenly, both of us had near full stadia every other week. That was far from the normal through the 70s and 80s.I think the downward spiral began in the 70's with the creation of the "Top Ten" SPL removing any chance of teams outwith the OF of building a challenge as they had often done before. The Aberdeen CWC team of the 80's were pretty much a product of the old 18 team format.
Most fans were against it but were ignored and attendances began to fall.
More recently in 2012, all scotlands supporters Trusts voted overwhelmingly to go back to a similar format. The SPFL rejected it as "not representative of the real supporters".
They organised a poll over their own and the fans voted against it again This time with an increased majority, well over 80% I think it was..
The SPL/SFA again rejected it. Their own poll mind you. "Scotland cant afford it" was the excuse. Meaning greedy board rooms wanted to keeping sucking on the OF teat at the expense of the long term future of their own and other clubs.