No fans could be the best thing to ever happen to us

Laudrup11Cooper

Well-Known Member
I have to disagree. The stats across Europe shows that losing home crowd advantage results in fewer home teams winning.

This could negatively affect us even more than most clubs since, playing away from home, we often outnumber the home team fans, so are effectively the home team most weeks.
I would really love to agree with you, but then why is it our players have choked, not once but twice now, home and away, when it comes to the business end of the season?
 

Graeme72

New Member
I mentioned this last week, and I agree with you.
Some players love a crowd of both sides to stimulate them.
Others … just don’t.I don’t think it’s any secret that we have some in our ranks who can’t handle the pressure, and expectation, of playing in front of 50,000.And that’s our own fans!
The last two seasons have unfortunately proven this.
Sorry, but I would gladly see the status quo continue if it meant us playing and winning consistently.
Gladly see the status quo? I despair. Agree that there may be less pressure with no crowds to actually want this to continue as long as we are winning is ridiculou! Need players that can handle the pressure
 

Careca

Well-Known Member
Given previous managers have gone on record saying they've held specialist training sessions to help players block out the negative Ibrox crowd, I'd wholeheartedly disagree.
I’ve never heard about this. Which Rangers managers? What sessions can you use to train for it?

If there are training exercises for crowd noise they should practise blocking out hearts, Aberdeen and even Kilmarnock for those little 5 minute spells when they’ve had their tails up and we’ve dropped points to absolute hammer throwing diddies.
 

Ambiorix

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I would really love to agree with you, but then why is it our players have choked, not once but twice now, home and away, when it comes to the business end of the season?
Could be a combination of the added workload of having to compete in the Europa League midweek and Gerrard's reluctance to rest his favourites. They maybe just ran out of steam.
 

prenzlauerbear

Well-Known Member
I’ve never heard about this. Which managers? What sessions can you use to train for it?

If there are training exercises for crowd noise they should practise blocking out hearts, Aberdeen and even Kilmarnock for those little 5 minute spells when they’ve had their tails up and we’ve dropped points to absolute hammer throwing diddies.
Warburton said it. Many players have alluded to it as well. It's quite clearly a tactic other managers have used against us: Take the sting out the game, time waste, frustrate the support and get them on their own players' backs. That's why you have opposition keepers taking their time after, like, 7 minutes. McInnes and Clarke executed it perfectly on more than one occasion.

Ibrox on the big occasion is right up there in terms of atmosphere. For your run of the mill SPFL game, it's easily one of the worst.
 

AllyGer

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It's early days, but you could be right. If you look at it rationally, we have the best or second best group of players in the league. Any situation that only relies on the quality of the players on the park and isn't affected by outside factors such as referees, opposition fans etc can only be good for us. If its purely footballing ability we win every time.
 

Careca

Well-Known Member
Warburton said it. Many players have alluded to it as well. It's quite clearly a tactic other managers have used against us: Take the sting out the game, time waste, frustrate the support and get them on their own players' backs. That's why you have opposition keepers taking their time after, like, 7 minutes. McInnes and Clarke executed it perfectly on more than one occasion.

Ibrox on the big occasion is right up there in terms of atmosphere. For your run of the mill SPFL game, it's easily one of the worst.
Heard about the away teams tactic plenty of times, just not Rangers managers saying they have specific training sessions for a negative home crowd.
 

Worthy_Candidate

Well-Known Member
I heard someone on Radio 5 yesterday say that there has been a trend of more unexpected away wins in behind closed doors games.

Not sure of the stat’s or how you would back that up as it’s difficult to absolutely define ‘unexpected’ but it does chime with your point OP.
 

Worthy_Candidate

Well-Known Member
Warburton said it. Many players have alluded to it as well. It's quite clearly a tactic other managers have used against us: Take the sting out the game, time waste, frustrate the support and get them on their own players' backs. That's why you have opposition keepers taking their time after, like, 7 minutes. McInnes and Clarke executed it perfectly on more than one occasion.

Ibrox on the big occasion is right up there in terms of atmosphere. For your run of the mill SPFL game, it's easily one of the worst.
We can be the best and worst supporters in the world!
 

Bangersbc

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50k fans at Ibrox willing the team on to score is an advantage , not an empty stadium.
Not always. A nervous Ibrox after 20 minutes of not scoring artificially ramps up the pressure of the players massively, which can effect the players negatively.

Our team is comfortably able to beat every team in our league. One of the main reasons they don't is when they are not comfortable. I agree they should be able to cope with the pressure of Ibrox, but it is a disadvantage that no other team has on them.

Take the mhedia coverage for example. Even if we take their '10 in a row' narrative they are so keen to push. This year should be all about Celtic. The pressure on them to hold it together. Not to slip up as they put the final pair of cards on their massive house of cards that could fall at any second. Tp ruin 9 years work in the making and a pipe dream their fans have been singing about for most of the last decade.

But no. Its all about how Rangers must stop it. How Rangers will feel a pressure like never before. How Gerrard will go if he doesn't stop it. Etc etc etc.

'10 in a row' has nothing to do with us. We were out the league for half of it for a start, and paying next to no attention to the SPL in our absence. Yet some of our more fragile fans buy into this narrative inexplicably, despite how clearly tainted the whole thing is. Unless the mhedia pretends that every (even any!) other club has a chance to win the league and should be pressing to stop 10iar (not just us) , then they can hardly glorify the 'achievment' when they are basically admitting that for 4 years when we wernt in the league they simply had to turn up.

I say this as I feel it can be the only place the negativity from some of us originates. Otherwise, why would we not be happy with a hard fought win at Pittodrie. And if we can't celebrate a win like that here, can we really be trusted at Ibrox yet?

The fans will return. But I feel the players will get a short term confidence boost in our absence.
 

Mr. T.

Well-Known Member
50k fans at Ibrox willing the team on to score is an advantage , not an empty stadium.
It may well be but, on the evidence so far, we seem, as a team, to be able to play in empty stadiai. Having watched the EPL matches recently it’s been apparent that some teams are better at adapting to this than others.
 

Mr. T.

Well-Known Member
Not always. A nervous Ibrox after 20 minutes of not scoring artificially ramps up the pressure of the players massively, which can effect the players negatively.

Our team is comfortably able to beat every team in our league. One of the main reasons they don't is when they are not comfortable. I agree they should be able to cope with the pressure of Ibrox, but it is a disadvantage that no other team has on them.

Take the mhedia coverage for example. Even if we take their '10 in a row' narrative they are so keen to push. This year should be all about Celtic. The pressure on them to hold it together. Not to slip up as they put the final pair of cards on their massive house of cards that could fall at any second. Tp ruin 9 years work in the making and a pipe dream their fans have been singing about for most of the last decade.

But no. Its all about how Rangers must stop it. How Rangers will feel a pressure like never before. How Gerrard will go if he doesn't stop it. Etc etc etc.

'10 in a row' has nothing to do with us. We were out the league for half of it for a start, and paying next to no attention to the SPL in our absence. Yet some of our more fragile fans buy into this narrative inexplicably, despite how clearly tainted the whole thing is. Unless the mhedia pretends that every (even any!) other club has a chance to win the league and should be pressing to stop 10iar (not just us) , then they can hardly glorify the 'achievment' when they are basically admitting that for 4 years when we wernt in the league they simply had to turn up.

I say this as I feel it can be the only place the negativity from some of us originates. Otherwise, why would we not be happy with a hard fought win at Pittodrie. And if we can't celebrate a win like that here, can we really be trusted at Ibrox yet?

The fans will return. But I feel the players will get a short term confidence boost in our absence.
I think the point you make in your fifth paragraph is very relevan.
 

wee_bear

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These premiership clubs, all of them feed off the hatred their fans have for us. We are seen are the conduit for unionism in Scotland and are hated for it by away fans across the country. Up until the considine Red Card, I saw nowhere near the passion from their players that we normally do and that will definitely help us moving forward, I even believe it will help us at home with the home crowd not getting frustrated.

It will work against us in Europe however.
 

Drum

Active Member
The bile thrown at our players from opposition stands (& occasionally our own) is a significant factor. They are only human beings. Not to mention assaults and objects being thrown at them.
 

Barryhopez

Well-Known Member
Have to disagree OP.

I find that there are a host of people on here who have a really skewed, negative and paranoid view on football up here in general whilst also complaining about sanitisation and modernisation of football.

They want no away fans at Ibrox, meanwhile want majority Rangers fans at most away grounds and complain (rightly) of cut allocations.

The abuse given to players can be OTT and fans bring issues sure but they bring the atmosphere to the matches which is a massive part of football. I've so many great memories being part of it, and hate not being able to attend.
 

Otis Blue

Well-Known Member
Have you ever been to Ibrox?
Yes every home game for many years and I support the team without verbal abusing the players. I’ve watched countless games where our support had given us an advantage. My point is willing / supporting the team on. I didn’t say just 50k of fans in the stadium. I hope the verbal abusers of our players have learned something over lockdown and actually stay away.
 

android

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Thinking about today's great win at Aberdeen & can't help but think back to 12 months ago.

The 2-1 win at Rugby Park and the absolute shambles of an artificial, media driven fallout that followed.

The media will do anything to deflect, deny and sour any type of positive result we get. With no fans being at the game it just didn't give them the opportunity to do so.

I also noticed a notable change in the style of game today. There was no pressure on Madden to book Rangers players, there was no extra noise around Morelos, it just felt like 2 football teams up against each other & the better team winning.

The frenzy that these clubs work themselves up into whenever Rangers come to town just wasn't there today, and honestly it seemed to help simplify things for us.

Show up, play better football than them and take the 3 points. There's no extra nonsense and circus around the occasion and long may it continue. I think as long as it stays the same as it was today the players will be able to focus on just winning games, and secretly it could be a blessing in disguise for us.
I agree, the extra lift the home teams get from their fans due to their hatred for us is no longer there with games BCD.

It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out at Ibrox. I’m hoping that teams will come out more against us seeing as there is no home fans to frustrate by sitting back in the hope that our fans turn on the team.
 

Jingle64

The dafty who hung up on Mark Hateley
The lack of a pantomime feel to everything Morelos does is definitely true. He committed 3 or 4 Fouls today. On another day with fans he might get booked.
100% spot on. Most of morelos bookings or reds are down to crowd pressure esp away from home
 

bluereason

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I had a similar thought myself at one point. Although it will work both ways sadly when we have no fans at Ibrox. I definitely believe Morelos would have seen at least one card yesterday had all the rabid sheep been in the pen screaming for action every time he had a tackle. We just need to stay professional in every game and show our quality and we should see off all put in front of us.
 

Bluethruandthru

Well-Known Member
Thinking about today's great win at Aberdeen & can't help but think back to 12 months ago.

The 2-1 win at Rugby Park and the absolute shambles of an artificial, media driven fallout that followed.

The media will do anything to deflect, deny and sour any type of positive result we get. With no fans being at the game it just didn't give them the opportunity to do so.

I also noticed a notable change in the style of game today. There was no pressure on Madden to book Rangers players, there was no extra noise around Morelos, it just felt like 2 football teams up against each other & the better team winning.

The frenzy that these clubs work themselves up into whenever Rangers come to town just wasn't there today, and honestly it seemed to help simplify things for us.

Show up, play better football than them and take the 3 points. There's no extra nonsense and circus around the occasion and long may it continue. I think as long as it stays the same as it was today the players will be able to focus on just winning games, and secretly it could be a blessing in disguise for us.

Which is exactly why the tarriers are so desperate for their screaming hoards to be allowed back in to the pedodome.
 

jweebear

Well-Known Member
Gives the more nervy players time to bed in a bit more easily I suppose, down side is, the might actually freeze first time back in front of 50k crowds.
 

Otis Blue

Well-Known Member
You're correct mate up until about half an hour, or even earlier if we haven't scored, then the moaners start to get on the players backs.
Hopefully our moaners have learned something over lockdown and stay away but I doubt it. however when we have 50k of fans backing the team or as I said willing the team to score then it’s a clear advantage. E.g recently Braga. I agree the moaners spoil that often.
 

bluecode03

Well-Known Member
I think the OP has a fair point. Unfortunately it also highlights the fact that we have players that aren’t winners. They bottled it on so many occasions so the no fans situation may suit their playing style but that’s another story.
 

Thornliebank_Bear

Well-Known Member
Should have been a piss easy decision to give a foul, penalty, at the end of the game, ref ignored it as that is what Madden does.

Take the point about the way the game was played and no crowd helping our players, Ibrox can also be tough place to play when off form or low on confidence.....but it would be mental to believe it will put an end to cheating offcials no idea where people get that from.
 

602-Squadron

Active Member
Could be a combination of the added workload of having to compete in the Europa League midweek and Gerrard's reluctance to rest his favourites. They maybe just ran out of steam.
That's true, they did run out of steam and for me, that simply came down to not having a strong enough squad. From july just about every game we played the strongest possible team had to start. We basically played a full season in 5 months.

What has to be remembered at the games, the players arent going out of their way to ruin your day. They have bad days like everyone else. Away teams know this fine well and know if we're not in front after about 15 mins, the crowd starts turning and they've done their job.
 

Gdawg

Well-Known Member
We all want to be back, and there is no doubt football isn't anywhere near as good without the fans. The sooner we are back the better, i can't wait.

The advantage yesterday was the ref wasn't put under pressure to book Alfie wvery time he touched the ball, and the last 10 or 15 minutes they would have had their inbred support roaring them on and that extra bit of adrenaline can kick in to push them on.

I do think it worked slightly to our advantage yesterday, but would obviously prefer we were all allowed back in.
 

Nalla1959

New Member
If and when the fans return to Ibrox and bearing in mind what’s at stake this season then I would fully expect them to crank up the noise and also if players make a mistake, which let’s face it all players and teams do, instead of complaining get right behind the player and the team. Players and fans together will give us every chance of winning the league this year. Cmon the Gers.
 
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