Referees abuse

BentleyBear

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I was a youth coach and later a club secretary, no matter how much you spoke to other coaches or parents the abuse continued. I honestly struggle to see a solution to it because even after explaining that the club got fined and could potentially be expelled from the league it didn't stop.
Yip, the system is wrong. The club or more often the coach of the team is held responsible for player and parent behaviour, as it's his team. How is this fair? A coach, regardless of age/ experience should be responsible for the coaching staff and players only, he has the ability to deal with either of those 2 parties by subbing/ telling said person or people not to return to the team for the forseeable or ever depending on the relevant circumstances. However, are coaches able to deal with either a parent or indeed any other "passer by" who decides to shout abuse, given that most parks etc are public property? It will only stop when parents themselves are fined, which would involve police at every grass roots match, never going to happen. The player enjoyment is being robbed out of the game, not just refs!
 

50p Flute

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chase the parents away from early football and it will go some of the way to stop this .let the kids develop under the coaches in a safe friendly environment. I used to ref and said thos for along time .just my opinion
Wait, are you are saying parents shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it? Or just the games?
Have you been reading the newspapers or the forum recently and the dangers kids face when they put trust in these coaches to provide a "safe friendly enviroment"?
Parents have every right to go along and watch their kids both train and play, parents also have the right (via coaches) to raise concern about a referees performance/conduct. Club officials also reserve the right to challenge officials if they deem fit.
At my boys level the only guy being paid to be there on a Saturday morning is the referee and people seem to think he can do what he likes without challenge? Absolute nonsense.
Clubs should (and usually do) have a strict code of conduct for parents as well as kids and i'll concede these aren't anywhere near enforced enough and all clubs should be encouraged to self police a lot better. There are arsehole parents/coaches at every club and they should be dealt with but to say parents should be 'chased' is a total non-starter.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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Glad you read my previous post, it's just a pity you couldn't understand it at all.
It's also a pity that we are not mind readers and don't have a magical gift that we are supposed to know what you are meaning when you don't say it.
You seem to be moving the goal posts as we move along.
No I did understand it, I just don't agree with it. I'll try and clarify what I'm getting at since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet going on the number of posters you're diving on.

People like Willie Collum, Andrew Dallas, Kevin Clancy, Craig Thomson etc I would put my house on it that they have never actively played organisation football in their late teens/early twenties......which is why I believe there are elements of the game they don't fully appreciate having never played at any sort of level.
 

Barryhopez

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No I did understand it, I just don't agree with it. I'll try and clarify what I'm getting at since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet going on the number of posters you're diving on.

People like Willie Collum, Andrew Dallas, Kevin Clancy, Craig Thomson etc I would put my house on it that they have never actively played organisation football in their late teens/early twenties......which is why I believe there are elements of the game they don't fully appreciate having never played at any sort of level.
That's not the point of the thread. By the amount of abuse officials take it seems that it is deemed 'normal' to abuse and threaten which is hardly going to attract people to do the job.

For example, if you personally get into officiating but haven't played at any level does the fat parent hungover from the night before hurling abuse at your every decision know better because he played in Saturday morning football?

(I appreciate that example is extreme, but the fact stands that the above likely happens and incidents like that are not encouraging anyone to become involved)
 

50p Flute

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No I did understand it, I just don't agree with it. I'll try and clarify what I'm getting at since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet going on the number of posters you're diving on.

People like Willie Collum, Andrew Dallas, Kevin Clancy, Craig Thomson etc I would put my house on it that they have never actively played organisation football in their late teens/early twenties......which is why I believe there are elements of the game they don't fully appreciate having never played at any sort of level.
It's a forum mate, we are meant to discuss things, I'm not diving on anybody.

"I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football" is nonsense, that's what I am calling nonsense and what I am presuming the other guy was calling nonsense, but you carry on changing things to suit your argument.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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It's a forum mate, we are meant to discuss things, I'm not diving on anybody.

"I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football" is nonsense, that's what I am calling nonsense and what I am presuming the other guy was calling nonsense, but you carry on changing things to suit your argument.
That's not the point of the thread. By the amount of abuse officials take it seems that it is deemed 'normal' to abuse and threaten which is hardly going to attract people to do the job.

For example, if you personally get into officiating but haven't played at any level does the fat parent hungover from the night before hurling abuse at your every decision know better because he played in Saturday morning football?

(I appreciate that example is extreme, but the fact stands that the above likely happens and incidents like that are not encouraging anyone to become involved)
I’m not changing anything, the posts I was referring to was refereeing standards and I put in my tuppence worth because I genuinely believe this is a factor and why folk lobby for ex-players to take up the positions if it wasn’t a logistical nightmare.

Nobody deserves that abuse, I see it most weeks with my boy and it’s never at any stage acceptable at that level.
 

347golfer

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I chucked the amateurs this year cos my thick skin wore thin having to regularly deal with bawbags who think their Ronaldo or Mourinho.

Doing u13s - u19s now and loving it, I feel the coaches and parents have a better grasp of what behaviour is required now and its certainly changed days from when i started out in boys football 20 years ago when the parents really were unbearable.
 

50p Flute

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You are changing things though, you are saying that you meant something when you never said that initially. You said that any ref had likeley never played the game, absolute nonsense and I know this for a fact.
Being an ex-player does not guarantee you understand the rules of the game better though than someone else who studies the same laws of the game does it? Have you ever watched football on the tv and ex-pros discussing various decisions? Sure it might have benefits in helping you understand why a player commits a foul or what his intent was but does it really make that much a difference? Michael Stewart and bio-mechanics springs to mind for instance.
 

50p Flute

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I chucked the amateurs this year cos my thick skin wore thin having to regularly deal with bawbags who think their Ronaldo or Mourinho.

Doing u13s - u19s now and loving it, I feel the coaches and parents have a better grasp of what behaviour is required now and its certainly changed days from when i started out in boys football 20 years ago when the parents really were unbearable.
Without wanting to be appearing to 'jump on you' lol i'd be inclined to agree with you here, instances are few and far between from my own personal experience at this age group.
What I am saying is referees have to be held responsible for mistakes and shouldn't be beyond reproach.
 

50p Flute

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I’m not changing anything, the posts I was referring to was refereeing standards and I put in my tuppence worth because I genuinely believe this is a factor and why folk lobby for ex-players to take up the positions if it wasn’t a logistical nightmare.

Nobody deserves that abuse, I see it most weeks with my boy and it’s never at any stage acceptable at that level.
See my reply to you above, don't know why quote vanished.
 

Chubster

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Something I found interesting was when a youth referee I know explained to me how refereeing younger age groups can at times be more difficult. The reason he gave for this is predictability and being able to anticipate the flow of the play which with younger players isn't so easy due to skills and control not being fully developed. This leading to tangled legs and games more like bagatelle with making the correct refereeing decisions become a lot more challenging.
Obviously the older ones can be more mental and that's an entirely different problem.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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Without wanting to be appearing to 'jump on you' lol i'd be inclined to agree with you here, instances are few and far between from my own personal experience at this age group.
What I am saying is referees have to be held responsible for mistakes and shouldn't be beyond reproach.
Agreed!
 

Beer Belly Loyal

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I blame the schools (this from last year)

'Ya wee w***': Booze-fuelled rammy at Catholic school football match leads to calls for drink ban for parents

CALLS have been made to ban alcohol at children's football matches after a booze-fuelled rammy that has led to the end-of-term football tournament being cancelled.

Parents became involved in a verbal ding-dong at the Glasgow Catholic Schools FA semi-final that saw a P7 youngster called a "wee w***" by a drunk dad.

Things got so out of hand the match was abandoned - but parents claim it would never have happened if everyone had been sober.
Gary McDougall's boy Robbie, representing St Anne's Primary, was involved in the altercation, which saw him given a red card.
Gary, from Dennistoun, said: "Robbie is not a dirty player but he was involved in a 50/50 tackle that the referee decided was a red card.
"While the ref was making his decision, a dad from the other school, St Paul's, started shouting abuse at my boy from the sidelines.
"He called Robbie a 'wee w***' and things got more heated from there with the guy threatening me.
"The upshot is that none of this would have happened if booze was not available."
The match was between St Anne's Primary, in the Gallowgate, and St Paul's Primary, Shettleston, and held at Maryhill Juniors.
Parents from both sides, including Gary and Robbie's mum, were eventually asked to leave the ground.
The other parent is believed to have apologised for their behaviour.
And St Anne's Primary head teacher Wendy Barr and coach Michael Miller appealed the red card but this was upheld by committee.
Now local councillor Martin McElroy has contacted Glasgow City Council's licensing board to ask what powers the authority might have to limit the sale of alcohol at school football matches.
He said: "Unfortunately, some parents spectating were quite obviously drunk and the players, mostly 11 and 12 year olds, were subject to verbal abuse and threats from the sidelines.
"We have very specific controls over the sale of alcohol at the highest professional levels, right through to the amateur leagues yet unfortunately there is little done to protect players and other spectators at juvenile games."

https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news...tch-leads-to-calls-for-drink-ban-for-parents/
 

Ubik

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I have always thought that anyone who referees football has never really played football, so as a consequence they have no knowledge of the inner workings or the dynamics of the adult game with regards to passages of play and the physicality applied during a match. I think that's a large part of the problem in my opinion.
the bits in bold are nonsense.

1)You're saying referee's have never really played football = nonsense
(my dad went to school with the old ref Hugh Williamson, played football with him so your wrong there)

2) the second part im not even where to start but its nonsense.
 

Crown_Defender

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Exactly the reason I chucked it. The stick Is just ridiculous at times.

Used to do amateur, junior, youth and pro-youth etc.
 

50p Flute

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Only time I have really lost the plot a bit at my boys football there wasn't even a ref there.
When they start off about 5 or 6 they play wee 4-a-side games with both teams in a diamond shape, tiny goals and no goalkeepers. They were playing at Seedhill in Paisley and a wee boy flew into a wild tackle against my boy, took the ball first but it was extremely wreckless and only through luck my boy wasn't hurt, the boys parent/coach is shouting "well done wee man, that was a cruncher" and this was a red rag to a bull for me "a cruncher by %^*&, he could have seriously hurt him there ya clown" to which he replied he won the ball and I said next time he might seriously injure a child, I was ready for punching his cnut in but I decided against it.
 

TheLeatherKagool

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the bits in bold are nonsense.

1)You're saying referee's have never really played football = nonsense
(my dad went to school with the old ref Hugh Williamson, played football with him so your wrong there)

2) the second part im not even where to start but its nonsense.
Yeah that’s correct, at any decent level? Name one who has??

In fact don’t bother let's not get into it, but if someone has played any sport at a decent level they’ll have a better understanding of the game!

Really cool story about your Dad bro!
 

What's the story

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I'm a referee. I do youth football. Wouldnt do amateur if you doubled my match fee. Played amateur long enough and seen first hand the abuse and issues refs face. It's bad enough sometimes off the coaches/parents at youth level
 

BlueHaze

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It's Grassroots football they are talking about and, as a Secretary of an Under 19 team, I have to say they are correct. Some of the coaches are idiots and forget why they are there.
My grandson plays for a 2004s team and I've took him to a few games,It baffles why some refs put themselves through it,
One guy in charge getting abuse from the first whistle for the whole game,I'm waiting for one of them just to say fvck this I'm off before the end of the game .
 
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