Agreed. Lots of skill, lots of pace. Can be a bit of a headless chicken at times but when he's 'on it' he is really effective. Could be one who develops that wee bit later than his contemporaries. Hopefully the spell in The Netherlands benefits him (and us).Very skilful player. Actually looks much more suited to Dutch football than Scottish football. I think he will do well there.
I’d rather they played for Premiership clubs to help us out but if not then agree on going abroad. Aside from different coaching, it also forces them to grow up as a person by having to live away from home etc.I think if Rangers and Gio have genuine hopes for certain development players but dont expect them to see first team action, Id rather they went to somewhere like this than other Scottish Clubs.
Aside from the experience broadening them generally its a safe bet the levels of Coaching and opposition are far superior. Even in the 2nd tier or similar.
Agreed. I think Middleton not going abroad was the turning point of his career. He looked promising when we first got him and I think Gerrard liked him. But that lack of ambition clearly put Gerrard off him for good.I think if Rangers and Gio have genuine hopes for certain development players but dont expect them to see first team action, Id rather they went to somewhere like this than other Scottish Clubs.
Aside from the experience broadening them generally its a safe bet the levels of Coaching and opposition are far superior. Even in the 2nd tier or similar.
Loans to Scottish clubs seems to be a sticking point in their careers. Would love to know why so many struggle on loan.Any technically gifted player we have I'd be sending to Germany and Holland if given the chance. The coaching alone would make all the difference. These Dundee/Thistle ones I'm not a fan of.
I still think Middleton will make good.Agreed. I think Middleton not going abroad was the turning point of his career. He looked promising when we first got him and I think Gerrard liked him. But that lack of ambition clearly put Gerrard off him for good.
He went on to win a cup double with St Johnstone and think he’d probably get in most SPFL squads, so probably positive from a personal point of view. But agree wrong move for his Rangers career.I think Glen Middleton really missed a trick when he chose Scottish jobbers over a season in the Dutch league.
Thistle one is to get the lad used to the physical side, Dutch to get that lad more time on the technical side. Love that are finally using a better approachAny technically gifted player we have I'd be sending to Germany and Holland if given the chance. The coaching alone would make all the difference. These Dundee/Thistle ones I'm not a fan of.
Nice to meet you GlennI still think Middleton will make good.
Gerrard did him a disservice.
Ah! It’s you again,the Lundstrom is useless guy.Nice to meet you Glenn
Don’t think I’ve ever said that. At least not on here and not since JanuaryAh! It’s you again,the Lundstrom is useless guy.
I might be an auld yin,but my memory isDon’t think I’ve ever said that. At least not on here and not since January
Similar to the one Middleton pulled out of.That would certainly be an interesting move
Cool beans grandad. I still know I haven’t posted anything like that since at least Jan if at all, so you might be thinking of someone with a similar profile pic.I might be an auld yin,but my memory is
still top notch.
He chose a season in the Premiership over a season in the Dutch Second Division. Almost every player would do the same.I think Glen Middleton really missed a trick when he chose Scottish jobbers over a season in the Dutch league.
Every player without the ambition to actually improve.He chose a season in the Premiership over a season in the Dutch Second Division. Almost every player would do the same.
The Scottish Premiership is the ninth ranked league in Europe. The Eerste Divisie would be lucky to crack the top fifty. It's full of B teams that barely draw a couple of hundred people.Every player without the ambition to actually improve.
Yet it's those same B teams that produce the players that make Dutch teams successful.The Scottish Premiership is the ninth ranked league in Europe. The Eerste Divisie would be lucky to crack the top fifty. It's full of B teams that barely draw a couple of hundred people.
To be fair, I struggle to be overly critical of a 19 year old who might not be comfortable moving abroad for a year. I certainly couldn’t do it.Yet it's those same B teams that produce the players that make Dutch teams successful.
It's not the league, it's the football education on offer by going to that league. What did Middleton learn by staying in the SPFL? How to watch the ball punted over his head? How to get up after yet another industrial challenge?
Right, but that's very little to do with the B teams producing the players, and much more to do with them going straight into the first team once they're physically ready.Yet it's those same B teams that produce the players that make Dutch teams successful.
It's not the league, it's the football education on offer by going to that league. What did Middleton learn by staying in the SPFL? How to watch the ball punted over his head? How to get up after yet another industrial challenge?
By offering him an opportunity to learn in a different environment?I still think Middleton will make good.
Gerrard did him a disservice.
Not sure I can agree with any of this.Right, but that's very little to do with the B teams producing the players, and much more to do with them going straight into the first team once they're physically ready.
Middleton almost certainly learned more at St Johnstone, playing a much higher standard of football than he'd find in the Eerste Divisie. The two levels are not comparable in any way.
Middleton's problem isn't that he turned the move down. The problem is that he isn't very good and can't cross the ball.
Craig mulholland said it would depend on what is best for player and what is better for there development and future. Its about the individual and what is best for there football future either with us or moving forwardWould be a great move for the boy - hope this is the way forward for the B team players
Right, but that's very little to do with the B teams producing the players, and much more to do with them going straight into the first team once they're physically ready.
Middleton almost certainly learned more at St Johnstone, playing a much higher standard of football than he'd find in the Eerste Divisie. The two levels are not comparable in any way.
Middleton's problem isn't that he turned the move down. The problem is that he isn't very good and can't cross the ball.
That just furthers my point. Hibs would absolutely skelp NAC Breda and every other team in the Eerste Divisie with ease. They'd be champions of that league by about 400 points.The St Johnstone loan is irrelevant here. He turned down the move to NAC Breda and joined Hibs instead. How did that work out for him?
Was a waste of a season.
The St Johnstone move isn’t what we are discussing.Right, but that's very little to do with the B teams producing the players, and much more to do with them going straight into the first team once they're physically ready.
Middleton almost certainly learned more at St Johnstone, playing a much higher standard of football than he'd find in the Eerste Divisie. The two levels are not comparable in any way.
Middleton's problem isn't that he turned the move down. The problem is that he isn't very good and can't cross the ball.
Hope Ross ploughs on with them and gets the experience needed.De Graafschap are nicknamed Superboeren (Super Farmers) which i quite like.
Doesn’t further your point at all.That just furthers my point. Hibs would absolutely skelp NAC Breda and every other team in the Eerste Divisie with ease. They'd be champions of that league by about 400 points.
The reason Middleton didn't work out isn't because he turned down one loan move in favour of one at a much higher level. It's because he isn't very good.
Ross is under the radar. Any time ive watched him his first priority is the best outcome for the team, be it an assist or him taking a clinical finish. That’s an important trait.
I think he will play for Rangers.
Loaned him out,and brought in loaners not half as good as he was.By offering him an opportunity to learn in a different environment?
One of the best learning environments out there?
Yes, obviously!
Right, but that's very little to do with the B teams producing the players, and much more to do with them going straight into the first team once they're physically ready.
Middleton almost certainly learned more at St Johnstone, playing a much higher standard of football than he'd find in the Eerste Divisie. The two levels are not comparable in any way.
Middleton's problem isn't that he turned the move down. The problem is that he isn't very good and can't cross the ball.
Kent, davis, defoe, ojo did not to badLoaned him out,and brought in loaners not half as good as he was.
How many of our loanees come good.
Opinions,that’s what it’s all about.Kent, davis, defoe, ojo did not to bad
Some work some don't but obviously the management team don't think he is quite ready for our first team squad
Nice start.Fantastic!
I don’t think he looked interested or particularly fit in his cameo yesterday.I still think Middleton will make good.
Gerrard did him a disservice.