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Another one of Smiths failings, constantly shunting people to left midfield
Classy playmaker who was technically excellent, but lacked pace?
Get him at left wing!
Another one of Smiths failings, constantly shunting people to left midfield
ok, thread all yours. Players play in a team. A bad player looks twice as good if playing beside international superstars.
Love Walter, he loved an out of position player. Funnily enough was watching 08/09 season review yesterday, Lafferty and Fleck playing there oftenClassy playmaker who was technically excellent, but lacked pace?
Get him at left wing!
10 starts and was well off the pace that season. Incredible player but if we’re talking about that smith side Stevens rarely played in 92/93stevens hardly kicked a ball in 92/93 vagally remember him in all honesty that season.
That’s why I omitted him from my team, I think of him & Steven as more Souness guys than Walter guys.10 starts and was well off the pace that season. Incredible player but if we’re talking about that smith side Stevens rarely played in 92/93
Stevens hardly kicked a ball in 92-92, are you just saying what players were the best in that squad overall or their performance that year?
That’s why I omitted him from my team, I think of him & Steven as more Souness guys than Walter guys.
Steven was also done post Marseille.
I’m shocked at those appearance numbers, thanks for the info mate. I always had in my head both were effectively gone after 92/93 where they failed to make an impact.I was surprised looking it up how many games Stevens player in the following season. Played in nearly 40.
Steven played over 40 too. He was never the player he was in 90/91 after returning from France but did contribure in 93/94.
It was never my favourite of the NIAR seasons at all. Everything after the excitement of 92/93 seemed drab with the pitch at Ibrox being a shambles and everything just being "meh"
We won the league 93/94 with 58 points in a 44 game season. Now at the equivalent 3pts for a win in a modern 38 game league, that's not 70 points.
Given the spending power we had and how bad Celtic were in 1993 to only get 58 points that year was grim.
It was all a bit so so...until Brian turned up in 1994.
Like Dave McPherson?
I'm not even saying he's a bad player. Far from it but he wasn't in the class of Reyna.
I'd be looking at this two ways. Which players could play in both teams for each manager.
Barry Ferguson, Numan, McCann etc could all play in Walters team.
Could McPherson play in Advocaat's? I doubt it very much.
Well as John Barnes was the celtic manager in that Season I dont think big Dave would have much to fear at right back unless regi stinker was kidnapped and replaced by another.
THE 92-93 was cheated out a european final. That team was class and was managed by a manger who never nearly killed us.
Pick your starting XI :O
Goram
Gough Amoruso Numan
Reyna B. Ferguson Van Bronckhorst Albertz McCann
McCoist Hateley
Probably the two most iconic teams of my youth. Th early 90s team were an unbelievable unit while the later side arguably had better individual talents. Mols in 1999 was truly special but I couldn't include here in this setup ahead of the McCoist/Hateley partnership.
Prodan.Fucking LOL. Are you drinking in the middle of the afternoon or what?
David Murray "nearly killed us"
Advocaat spent a fair bit fixing the shambles Walter left him in 1998 with about 4 players of note on the books.
Let's not pretend that Walters signing policy was much better or worse than Advocaat over his first spell.
For all Dick spend money on Flo, Ball, Amato and Guivarch (£26m) he got £14m of it back.
Rozenthal, Boli, Salenko, Van Vossen...
Both had high highs and some terrbile lows.
Who had more impact for Rangers? Miko was class but slow as a week in the jail, unfit, hardly scored..... Revisionism here.Miko was a better player than McCann. McCann had more impact on us over time but Miko was internationally recognised as a superstar.
Who had more impact for Rangers? Miko was class but slow as a week in the jail, unfit, hardly scored..... Revisionism here.
McCoist scored 49 goals that season. I know our standards are high but come on------------------Goram-----------------
Stevens---Gough---Amoruso---Numan
Reyna----B. Ferguson----Gio----McCann
------------Mols-----------Hateley----
McCoist and Mols is the only real quandry for me there.
More revisionism. You can’t leave McCoist out. He didn’t have that wonderful turn but in modern terms, his numbers, goals and assist were ridiculous... People forget the assists, a better player than he is given credit for. A lot of the younger generation think he sat on his arse in the six yard box.You put peak Mols in that team and I think we beat Marseille.
The question over Mols is "what if?" and obviously the myth can grow but I firmly believe he'd be in the Laudrup and Gascoigne category if we'd got him without the injury for three years or so.
Thought you were suggesting Miko would start. Apologies.McCann. That's literally the point I made.
True dat!McCoist scored 49 goals that season. I know our standards are high but come on
Thought you were suggesting Miko would start. Apologies.
Woah!! Klos over Goram. Interesting!! What vintage bear are you? Just out of interest?Formation 352
Goalie: Klos
Defence: Amo Gough Moore
Midfield: kanchelskis I. Ferguson B. Ferguson Van bronkhurst Albertz
Strikers: McCoist Mols
Bench:
Goram
Brown
Numan
Amato
De Boer
Hateley
McCann
How much did Walter spend in the summer of 1997?4.2 on amato is daft in my book. You cant compare Smith to Advocaat.
Murray lost the plot with Advocaat and we suffered for a decade because of it.
92-93 was the best managed team pound for pound. Best era I have seen and been supporting for 44 years. Not my age.
Again his crazy spending happened when he arrived.
Woah!! Klos over Goram. Interesting!! What vintage bear are you? Just out of interest?
Yeah, I hate this argument! As if the manager should be responsible! If Gerrard asks for £14m to sign a player the boards fiduciary responsibility is to say no. This notion that Advocaat somehow forced the board into the spending is utter nonsense. The little general provided for me the best rangers side I have ever seen. Yes it went tits up but that’s life. Murray was in control of the purse strings, end of.Without de-railing, Murray takes the blame IMO you can’t say “here’s all this money” that you don’t actually have. Nor can you spout the nonsense of “we’re going to spend £10m on a striker”. Prior to 00/01 Dick had seldom wasted money.
How much did Walter spend in the summer of 1997?
£15m, with £5m incoming.How much did Walter spend in the summer of 1997?
McCoist scored 49 goals that season. I know our standards are high but come on
I’m shocked at those appearance numbers, thanks for the info mate. I always had in my head both were effectively gone after 92/93 where they failed to make an impact.
I don't think comparing what Walter spent in the early 90s to what Advocaat spent in his tenure is a workable comparison. The transfer market was a very different place in both eras.
McCoist scored 49 goals that season. I know our standards are high but come on
Walter’s spending wasn’t sustainable either. Hence paying for your name on your seat, massive loans, Daniel Levy, Dave King.... I can’t say it clearly enough, the blame lies with Murray. No one else.Aye one was sustainable and one was not. Hence the last decade.
I agree.easy, walters full team.
Walter’s spending wasn’t sustainable either. Hence paying for your name on your seat, massive loans, Daniel Levy, Dave King.... I can’t say it clearly enough, the blame lies with Murray. No one else.
How much did walter spend in his entire tenure over how many years compared to the wee gerneral?
Also saying walter left advocaat a bad squad and a mess is just pathetic.
the mess of previous season?
Are you referring to missing out in ten in a row by 2 points?
Or maybe the sacking of smith during that season or the allowing of Gazza departure during a title chase.
Aye all smiths fault?
Please stop getting me to bite that smith left your wee dutch general with 4 players. If so how come he won the league and here were the top appearances.
Sergio Porrini 54
Giovanni van Bronckhorst 53
Jörg Albertz 53
Rod Wallace 51
Lorenzo Amoruso 49
Andrei Kanchelskis 45
Barry Ferguson 39
Tony Vidmar 39
Jonatan Johansson 37
Colin Hendry 32
Gabriel Amato 31
Ian Ferguson 26
I could have sworn the above has more than 4 walters signings.
That clown Murray sold Smith down the river and nearly killed our club by bending over for Advocaaat.
PS I love the wee General but comparing the likes of the 92-93 squad is unreal in my book. Especially when the unwashed had John Barnes as manager.
FFS the year ICT knocked them out the cup in the 3rd round.
King invested in 2000. Check the accounts, he was covering an existing overdraft facility. Either way, I’m not sure how you can blame the manager who should be given a budget and told to work under it. You are suggesting Advocaat was in charge of the clubs finances. Anyway this thread as usual has been completely derailed by vested interests.I would love to see the accounts then. I was a seat for like member myself as were 3 other members of my family. Was Dave Kings investment before 1998? I thought it was advocaat era myself.
As opposed to in 92-93 when Celtic finished 3rd and were knocked out of the LC by Falkirk having been taken to a replay in the previous round by Clyde and Liam Brady was in charge with star signing Andy Payton their top scorer with 15 goals?
It seems you can't see past the 92-93 team despite any evidence that suggests the 99 one had better players in some positions at least and most certainly played a nicer (if maybe not actually better) football.
I lived through both of them and remember them fondly. There's no doubt there was class and ability in the 99 team above the 92 one in certain positions though.
King invested in 2000. Check the accounts, he was covering an existing overdraft facility. Either way, I’m not sure how you can blame the manager who should be given a budget and told to work under it. You are suggesting Advocaat was in charge of the clubs finances. Anyway this thread as usual has been completely derailed by vested interests.
Advocaat regained European respect after numerous embarrassments under Smith, 92/93 aside.No m8 I cant , comparing Advocaat team with some are creaming themselves against well regi stinker and Barnes as Manager is not a benchmark
Are we going to look at what that team did in Europe for a fair comparison then? ;-)
No m8 I cant , comparing Advocaat team with some are creaming themselves against well regi stinker and Barnes as Manager is not a benchmark
Are we going to look at what that team did in Europe for a fair comparison then? ;-)
Advocaat regained European respect after numerous embarrassments under Smith, 92/93 aside.
To significantly better teams, Walter struggled to make Europe after 92/93 and when did we were embarrassed. It’s the reason he was sacked.That season knocked out of CL followed by knocked out of UEFA cup.
No Europe after xmas. That season team.
Great arguments could be had here, has to be said though, Walters side came within a goal of a Champions League final and went 10 games undefeated in the competition, wee Dicks team couldn’t make it out the group stage, although he had some wonderful players.
To significantly better teams, Walter struggled to make Europe after 92/93 and when did we were embarrassed. It’s the reason he was sacked.
Goram
Porrini Gough Amo Robertson
Reyna Barry Gio Albertz
McCoist Hateley
Subs
Klos
Moore
Fergie
Wallace
McCann
Toss up between Moore and McPherson for the defence substitute slot
Fergie over McCall and Durrant on the bench because it's Fergie and I'm in a Fergie mood today. Tomorrow it might be McCall or Durrant.
I'm taking the easy option and ruling Mols out through injury so Wallace makes my bench.
McCann over Huistra and Miko because I loved Huistra and Miko but love Neil more.
ye sorry, me bad, Logging off.Wrong thread mate. This has became the Walter Smith/Dick Advocatt argument thread
Battle of Britain against a team who avoided relegation by a few points in 92/93and we are comparing the 92/93 achievements when we won the battle of britain and cheated out a euro final against a team that never saw europe after xmas are we not?