Gerrard had already beaten fat Ange, Gio was an absolute disaster against them, Gerrard was well ahead in league and clearly had the measure of the filth, there isn't a hope in hell we would have capitulated at the Piggery under SG.
I don’t want to make it a Gio v Gerrard debate, but will try and explain why I think there’s a difference.
I'm not sure he could've jumped from the Rangers job to Liverpool. Both clubs are huge with a massive demand for success from a fanatical fan base however their is a world of difference from the Scottish top flight to the English top flight although Villa was definitely the wrong move for him.
Postecoglu went from Celtic to Tottenham.
If only our board had backed him eh?
Agree with this, Gerrard was/is a godlike figure to everyone connected to Liverpool, I don't just think he would have been in the running, I think he would have got the job 100% if he had stayed with us and won another few titles.
Quite a few teams beat Fat Ange early that season. In fact, I think it was their worst start to a season in a long time and really, we should have been much further ahead. We dropped 9 points in our first 11 games - same as we did this season to put that in perspective. Unfortunately they got their shit together and we didn't, nor did we look likely to under Gerrard at that point. All about opinions.
Gerrard was on a long unbeaten run against the unwashed, he clearly had the measure of them and was well clear?
I'd love to see Gerrard achieve his dream of managing Liverpool and wouldn't completely write him off for achieving that dream. I think Klopp has taken Liverpool to a higher level than those managers you mentioned and I think Liverpool will be looking at bigger leagues than the SPFL when looking for Klopp's replacement.
There's many that were angry in the way he left however I'm sure they'd all agree in just how important winning 55 was for the club and us as fans.
Not for me thanks.
Yeah I'm not fussed on him returning either but once Clement moves on, hopefully with a rake of trophies, if available he'd surely be discussed. Failing at Villa could be a blessing for us. A successful manager that the Premiership aren't interested in would be the dream
I’m not talking about you specifically though. By the way I don’t think it’s fair to pin all the transfer dealings on Gio either when Wilson will have had a lot to do with it, and let’s face it, for what he had achieved he wasn’t backed particularly well. Under Gerrard we got cuffed in the league 2 out of 3 times too and were already on the slide when he snuck off, and the less said about the cup record the better. By the way im not saying Gio is all blameless, clearly he isn’t, but then you don’t see many talking about Gerrard’s routine failure against SPL jobbers in cup competition.
No way should that ever be allowed to happen. We’re now in a position where we ought to be above his level. If we ever look at bringing him back then somethings went wrong somewhere.
His record against celtic alone would likely bring him into the discussion however he'll be on crazy money in Saudi that we just couldn't compete with. I'm sure I read somewhere that he's currently the 3rd highest paid manager in world football although I'm not convinced that's true.
Did we not bring Beale back as apparently he was the brains behind 55 according to some.
Really? Who’s a better manager, Neil Lennon or Ange Postecoglu?
Keep dreaming pal. You’d have had him back in the hot seat even ahead of Clement or any other candidates who were more qualified.
Yeah what’s that got to do with anything though? Truth is I don’t know why anyone ever thought the brains behind 1 bit of silverware in 3 and a bit years was some sort of valid qualification for the Rangers job anyway.
Not ahead of Clement I wouldn't as he's better manager than Gerrard m8
Fair enough, I’m pretty sure at the time we were waiting to make an appointment you said you’d be happy with taking Gerrard back. It stuck in my mind because I remember finding it a bit mental but not entirely surprising.
I'm not sure about that to be honest. In the aftermath of Beale there was numerous posts on here trying to rewrite Gio's tenure as some sort of golden age. And although Gerrard was a world class player with a big reputation, Gio hardly came from the Sunday league. His career is probably more impressive than Gerrards.
Clement has worked wonders with this squad and I'd agree should we need to replace him in the future it absolutely should be someone better but we have to be realistic to find better than Clement wouldn't be easy or cheap.
Yeah Gio did have a more impressive career. But we’re Brits supporting a British club, and in this little island Gerrard is undoubtedly a much bigger name, not only because of geography but because he was the captain of a really iconic club.
I don't want to turn this into a pro Gerrard discussion as I'm anything but due to the manner of his exit, but he had the measure of celtic for 2 years and had lost 1 league game in 50 odd. Not sure how we need to be above that level?
He left because he was offered a relatively high profile EPL job and unfortunately any manager we have from here on in will probably do the same if offered one.
Fair enough but it's not the be all and end all. There would be anarchy on here if the likes of Lampard or Rooney were appointed.
When you look at the trophy haul since 2018 it is disappointing… when you consider that Rangers are now a consistent Last 16 club in European football and have created a reputation where nobody wants to draw us then the impact of Gerrard is incredible.
There’s no “beating Celtic in league games” trophy though. It’s about silverware and even when they were gift wrapped for him he couldn’t take them (55 season is the easiest go at a treble we’re ever likely to get with them having exited both cups before us). I’m also not sure he’d get the benefit of going up against a Neil Lennon type too; a subpar manager and unbalanced individual.
Do you not agree though that to be successful at Rangers as manager you have to be able to beat Celtic. I think many years ago Souness said he'd happily lose to Celtic in 4 games but win the league and the support weren't too happy that he said that.
100% it would they guy lead us to arguably our most important title ever.
Very selective with your memory there imo.
Hearts and Livi also beat Celtic around the same time. Not saying beating them wasn’t great, but it was before they were flying and before they were able to bolster their squad with a little bit of help from the SPL.
I think silverware is all that matters and beating Celtic often clearly doesn’t guarantee silverware. I think if Gerrard had a poorer record against Celtic then you wouldn’t put so much emphasis on winning old firm games, something that ultimately only put one trophy in the bag. I also think if Gerrard had two years up against the fat Aussie his record would be a lot poorer than it was going up against Neil Lennon. I’m basing this on the fact gravy veins’ side were a lot better than Lennon’s, so much so he’s now Spurs manager.
His record against the filth was incredible, but its worth remembering he was up against Neil Lennon for 95% of those games.
It's all about opinions how many times did we suffer humiliation to them under Gerrard yet prior to his arrival Celtic were looking to run up record scorelines. I think had Gerrard stayed we'd have won 56 comfortably as Celtic quite simply couldn't beat us at that time.
That's hypothetical to be fair facts are when Gerrard came in he beat Rodgers, Lennon and Postecoglu.
