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Really is that simple if you don’t agree with it that much just stand in the concourse.Naw.You sit or stand for a few seconds and shut the f uck up.
Really is that simple if you don’t agree with it that much just stand in the concourse.Naw.You sit or stand for a few seconds and shut the f uck up.
Hallelujah.Maybe just do the same as myself. Disagree but remain silent?
You are right in a lot of what you say. Social media is what it is. Like everything that has the power to do good it also has the power to cause harm. We cant be responsible for that and cant control it. we can do something about what happens in Ibrox and how we behave in and around the stadium.Still no one wants to challenge the biggest problem of the lot. Social media.
That's where it's all coming from. Yes it maybe 2021, but this last few years have seen a significant rise in division. When c**nts are being paid money in Macedonia to make up bullshit and cause all this grief, what are the sm companies doing about this, who's actually paying these guys would be somewhere to start.
I'm afraid we're now entering a phase of out and out hatred that goebels would have been proud of. I'm getting to the point of hardly trusting anyone on the web now.
If there was better communication coming out the club, things could be clarified better.
We were all told that the team were fed up with the knee stuff......and now they are doing it again.
What has changed since the end of last season ? That's a crucial point and would at least give the fans a perspective on the whole situation. When you do something, then you diss it and then you start doing it again, is it any wonder fans are questioning the whole thing ? I mean, how long before they maybe start dissing it again ??
Fair enough, but its not really your place to tell racially abused sportsmen how to protest
I think there’s a good shout it is that.Might be a response to what happened at the Euros with the England team? That's all I can think of.
Morelos, Parkhead, December '19.When was the last time any of our players were abused at a football stadium in Scotland, ie their place of work?
All fair enough, but they're not protesting about the origin of the abuse, just the abuse itself, no matter where and how it comes about.The vast majority of racial abuse players receive is on Social Media Platforms with the vast majority of the posts coming from outside The UK. Racial abuse is disgusting and nobody should be facing it in 2021 but the players aren't facing any racist abuse doing their day to day job in Scotland which is playing football. When was the last time any of our players were abused at a football stadium in Scotland, ie their place of work?
The Knee is clearly a divisive gesture no matter what people try to say as polls show and booing all over stadiums in the UK with fans in it since returning have showed.
Blaming the fans in the stadium is totally barking up the wrong tree when the vast majority of abuse is coming from bots on Social Media. The protests should be against Social Media Companies who refuse to police and regulate their platforms which give the racists and bots the platform to spread their hate and bile. If all the players and sports stars around the world started advising their fans to delete Twitter, Instagram and Facebook you would see the Big Tech Companies change their stance overnight and actually do something about the hatred and bile that gets openly spread on their platforms.
I just found it a bit odd that after we won 55 you never posted and are only in this thread I think any member would think the same.I’ve been on FF since the days of the old, old board. Plenty of folk on here know me personally.
I stopped posting a while back when the new board started and I lost access to the lounge - kinda couldn’t be arsed getting the post count back up.
can I ask, is there anything about my posts that are even remotely suspicious?
edit: the reason I’ve have stated posting here is I think this could be a worrying watershed for the club if we don’t get our act together.
also, if you doubt I’m a Rangers fan, I’m in the photo in my profile pic.
This is far as I go with social media. A look at some of the links on here to twitter have proved it to be a wise decision.You are right in a lot of what you say. Social media is what it is. Like everything that has the power to do good it also has the power to cause harm. We cant be responsible for that and cant control it. we can do something about what happens in Ibrox and how we behave in and around the stadium.
That will be a significant and powerful message if we get it right.
The vast majority of racial abuse players receive is on Social Media Platforms with the vast majority of the posts coming from outside The UK. Racial abuse is disgusting and nobody should be facing it in 2021 but the players aren't facing any racist abuse doing their day to day job in Scotland which is playing football. When was the last time any of our players were abused at a football stadium in Scotland, ie their place of work?
The Knee is clearly a divisive gesture no matter what people try to say as polls show and booing all over stadiums in the UK with fans in it since returning have showed.
Blaming the fans in the stadium is totally barking up the wrong tree when the vast majority of abuse is coming from bots on Social Media. The protests should be against Social Media Companies who refuse to police and regulate their platforms which give the racists and bots the platform to spread their hate and bile. If all the players and sports stars around the world started advising their fans to delete Twitter, Instagram and Facebook you would see the Big Tech Companies change their stance overnight and actually do something about the hatred and bile that gets openly spread on their platforms.
All fair enough, but they're not protesting about the origin of the abuse, just the abuse itself, no matter where and how it comes about.
And for the record some of our players HAVE received racial abuse inside Scottish football stadia
seriously?
Should the players only protest against racism in a country perceived to have a greater racism problem? So European games but not domestically?Agreed mate but the abuse has been very sporadic (not that, that makes it ok). No doubt with a drunk, coked up ned. Identify these c*nts and ban them from football stadia for life.
The origin of the abuse is the key point though. The media spent a full week after the England Players got abused creating the narrative a culture war was happening in the UK and totally ignored that 98% of the abusive posts made to the players came from outside the UK. The UK is not a racist country in the slightest and I think many people are pissed off with the narrative being rammed down their throats.
The US has it's own problems and is in no way similar to our society.
Should the players only protest against racism in a country perceived to have a greater racism problem? So European games but not domestically?
At the end of the day mate it’s a five to ten second gesture that has absolutely no bearing on your life or anyone else’s that’s in the ground. If our board and our manager are 100% supportive of it then there is absolutely no reason why the Rangers fans can’t do the same. These players deserve that.I don't think it's a football problem to solve. It's a society issue and racism only disappears with education, attidues changing and time. I'd say we have already made great strides towards that in society in recent decades and it will die out over the next generation or two.
Will football start to become involved in protesting against all of societys issues? Who gets to choose what topics the players are allowed to protest against? What about protests every game about the slave labour in China and the treatment of Uyghur Muslims? Protests soon about Climate Change at the football?
All of this stuff has just opened up a can of worms. Most people just like to watch sport or go to the football so they can switch off from all the other sh*te that's going on around the world.
Indeed, but dont come crying when Rangers are dragged through the gutter, again, because some of our followers have embarrassed themselves
Dont come crying if Kamara decides to leavevor Goldson doesnt sign a new contract
Dont come crying if we draw against Livingston because of the effect on the players
Dont come crying if you lose your season ticket
If people really want to help reign it in, boycott their platforms till they do something about it.The vast majority of racial abuse players receive is on Social Media Platforms with the vast majority of the posts coming from outside The UK. Racial abuse is disgusting and nobody should be facing it in 2021 but the players aren't facing any racist abuse doing their day to day job in Scotland which is playing football. When was the last time any of our players were abused at a football stadium in Scotland, ie their place of work?
The Knee is clearly a divisive gesture no matter what people try to say as polls show and booing all over stadiums in the UK with fans in it since returning have showed.
Blaming the fans in the stadium is totally barking up the wrong tree when the vast majority of abuse is coming from bots on Social Media. The protests should be against Social Media Companies who refuse to police and regulate their platforms which give the racists and bots the platform to spread their hate and bile. If all the players and sports stars around the world started advising their fans to delete Twitter, Instagram and Facebook you would see the Big Tech Companies change their stance overnight and actually do something about the hatred and bile that gets openly spread on their platforms.
As I said "in a workplace - someplace".I've worked next to many black people, especially in amazon. Cant say I've witnessed any, in fact people were mixing and getting on well enough.
You'll need to explain this a bit more. Is it in your work? Have you experienced it?
Couple of good points there.The support manage to not boo players crossing themselves and I'm certain a chunk of the support don't support the vatican and catholic church.
Sky will have their microphones and volume up to eleven tomorrow.
Why can't people grasp the damage they'll do to the club, regardless of their views?
The public aren't wondering why it's still going on. Let's actualy be honest about what people understand instead of finding ways to feign confusion and ignore the message.
Every single person discussing this and in the stands knows exactly why the players take the knee when they do it. The players have been quoted umpteen times here alone on exactly why they do it.
Nobody is standing around and honestly not knowing the reasons the players are on their knee prior to a match.
The only issue is folk who either decide that they don't accept the players' own explanation of why it is or folk who outright oppose them and the message.
Taking a knee doesn't end racism and nobody expects that to be the actual result. Taking the knee is indicating that the issue is still there and as long as we are talking about it it is doing its job by keeping the topic highlighted.
The only people who can actually end racism are the folk partaking in it and until the rest of us all get behind the message that has even less chance of happening.
Quibbling and bickering over the historical or political significance of the specific gesture they choose is a distraction far more empty than the gesture itself and simply becomes a means of not actually talking about the real issue.
Well I can only go on my own experience and I know that amazon wont tolerate it, but nobody needed told.As I said "in a workplace - someplace".
Companies like Amazon are going to be super strict and have a zero tolerance policy on racism.
Apparently they are renowned for their diversity and inclusion goals.
There is plenty of evidence that not all workplaces are making the same effort.
Here is a link to a TUC report on racism in the workplace.
I'm also in mind of the 'casual' racism that minorities face in the service sector. I have witnessed racial abuse directed at take away workers first hand.Racism is still a huge problem in UK’s workplaces, finds report
A shocking report has found that the majority of ethnic minority workers have experienced racial harassment at work in the last five years, and have been subjected to unfair treatment by their employer because of their race. October 2018 marked the fiftieth anniversary of the introduction of...www.manchester.ac.uk
There's that Malcolm Tucker quote coming to mind again.If there was better communication coming out the club, things could be clarified better.
We were all told that the team were fed up with the knee stuff......and now they are doing it again.
What has changed since the end of last season ? That's a crucial point and would at least give the fans a perspective on the whole situation. When you do something, then you diss it and then you start doing it again, is it any wonder fans are questioning the whole thing ? I mean, how long before they maybe start dissing it again ??
And if it is a "token gesture" why are they booing it?Goldson calling it a "token gesture" is absolute wank fodder for some, isn't it? Completely missing the point he was making.
You're guaranteeing something on their behalf that you simply can't.Do the players really know?
I guarantee you now,some will have done it so they don't appear racist.
Then black players doing the salute.If they totally knew what they were doing they wouldn't do it .
It's about equality not power .
You're guaranteeing something on their behalf that you simply can't.
The players have said why they are doing it. The public seeing them know why they are doing it.
Then that is on them. Personally I trust the manager and the players when they say everyone at the club is behind them and the message.Ok .Point taken.
IMO then
There was one that said he would boo. Maybe his post was deleted in the same manner my reply to your question and insinuation was earlier.I've not seen a single poster on this thread say they are planning to boo.
Are any of the guys muddying the waters and trying their very best to justify the booing actually going to Ibrox tomorrow?
Yeah them. Any of you actually going?Im not sure if anybody has said they are booing, people may be arguing that it's people's right to boo and not have political stuff forced down their throats
I sympathise with anyone going to the game tomorrow who's sat near these f*cking losers. Sensible Rangers fans shouldn't have to risk putting themselves in bother just because some reprobate near them can't show a shred of decency for a few seconds.You may not be racist if you boo, but you’re as good as one.
chin anyone around you doing it, simple as.
There's that "forced down their throats" remark again. It's an idiotic statement.Im not sure if anybody has said they are booing, people may be arguing that it's people's right to boo and not have political stuff forced down their throats
Read Kyle Taylor's view .He's mixed race ( he calls himself that).Then that is on them. Personally I trust the manager and the players when they say everyone at the club is behind them and the message.
The point remains very simple - the players and staff of the club who take the knee have made it absolutely clear why THEY do it. Anyone playing dumb or conflating it with other issues is missing the point massively.
And he's entitled to take his own stance and have his own views.Read Kyle Taylor's view .He's mixed race ( he calls himself that).
Perhaps people don't want this when they go to a game.There's that "forced down their throats" remark again. It's an idiotic statement.
In what sense is anything being "forced down anyone's throats"? The players themselves spend a few seconds on one knee prior to kick-off. They don't shout, scream, dance or ask anyone else does it. It is entirely peaceful and non-disruptive.
Anyone suggesting this is politicis being "forced down their throats" comes across as exceptionally uncomfortable with the topic being even remotely visible, rather than having a genuinely valid concern over the gesture. It's an issue in football grounds, it's happened in football and continues to do so as the players have told us. To tell them they can't highlight it in the same arenas in which it occurs is beyond sinister quite frankly - especially when all they are doing is going down on a knee for a few seconds and asking nothing of anyone else.
It's hysterical language that again (probably deliberately) mis-represents the gesture and message entirely.
Can you refer to what is my opinion and not facts?All your opinion.Not facts
Perhaps people don't want this when they go to a game.
Shall we take the knee before work?Or before Simple Minds start their set on their next tour?
Nobodies uncomfortable talking about it on here .What's happening is you are trying to de platform other people's views .
I havnt said they can't highlight their views .I think it's not the best thing to do but I haven't said they can't.
But you are saying other people can't register their displeasure .
I see many people per day due to my work.One of my customers and one of my best mates ,they are the only people who think taking the knee does any good.Believe me ,most people I know think it's at best ineffective or worse counter productive.
I urge you again.Read Kyle Taylor's view on it
Why would I find evidence of Rangers players being forced ? It's a UK thing not one tiny part of Glasgow.And he's entitled to take his own stance and have his own views.
Provide a shred of evidence that any Rangers player is being forced or pressured into doing this and are unhappy about it.
Too many of these kinds of views come up trying to build a case against it based "somebody MUST be doing this against their will", "Some of them MUST disagree with it and just be scared not to". It's invented by folk trying to undermine it and without anything to back it up.
Also this: here's a brief list of people who would be deservedly booed by Rangers fans if or when they came to Ibrox:There’s a chance that we’ll play Slavia Prague in the next round.
imagine what Kamara will think if we boo him kneeling in front of Kudela.
just think about it for a moment. That’s how insane the whole notion of booing is.
Cool story bro.All your opinion.Not facts
Perhaps people don't want this when they go to a game.
Shall we take the knee before work?Or before Simple Minds start their set on their next tour?
Nobodies uncomfortable talking about it on here .What's happening is you are trying to de platform other people's views .
I havnt said they can't highlight their views .I think it's not the best thing to do but I haven't said they can't.
But you are saying other people can't register their displeasure .
I see many people per day due to my work.One of my customers and one of my best mates ,they are the only people who think taking the knee does any good.Believe me ,most people I know think it's at best ineffective or worse counter productive.
I urge you again.Read Kyle Taylor's view on it
We are on here discussing Rangers players taking the knee and our support's reaction to it. That is what the thread is about.Why would I find evidence of Rangers players being forced ? It's a UK thing not one tiny part of Glasgow.
Being forced and feeling you may be out on a limb if you don't do something maybe be different but will bring the same results.
Players in general ain't going to say anything because they would feel the media turn the heat on them .
Seems Kyle Taylor disagreed
Fair enough, I suppose anyone booing the knee will be ignorant enough to try defend it also. If anyone around me is booing they will certainly hear my displeasure. Embarrassing.I sympathise with anyone going to the game tomorrow who's sat near these f*cking losers. Sensible Rangers fans shouldn't have to risk putting themselves in bother just because some reprobate near them can't show a shred of decency for a few seconds.