Tavernier as a number 8?

Mezzala said:
You're both talking as if this wasn't done very succesfully with Ricksen in the past, I'm not saying that it's something we have to do but I dont think the topic warrants immiediate dismissal
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Its the FF way. Thinking outside the box isnt encouraged. Goodness me someone even suggested moving the tims out of the Broomie. What's next? Safe standing?
 
Mezzala said:
Seen the point made on twitter so I thought I'd raise it here.

Tavernier has all the attributes of a very good number 8 at this level, he's athletic, has a good range of passing and is brilliant at carrying the ball forward in wide or central areas of the pitch. He'd arguably be an upgrade on anyone we have in that position and it allows us to play Patterson regularly.

People might think it's a ridiculous decision but I think it's worth the conversation at least.
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Mother of God.
 
Patterson at Right back, Tavernier on the Right of midfield.

Tav for me has always been better attacking wise than his defending. Patterson is already showing us he is a good defender. Its worth a try especially against a tough team with a tricky winger they could double up on.
 
Given what Gary Mac said today. If it was possible, I wouldn't be too upset to see this scenario play out in the last four league matches, just to see how it works.
 
roscof said:
Because it just doesn't work. For a start, you will lose the effect of the right back.
You are filling his space.
Second, the modern wing back is most effective when he sees the whole picture
From the back of the play. Not halfway up the pitch, where they generally lose their dimensions, opposed to only looking forward.
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HIHI said:
Number 8 was an Inside Right (e.g.Ian MacMillan).
Is this still the case?
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I would imagine a number 8 role would be central hence why I said on the wing
 
ronadamus_prime said:
I started a similar thread a couple of months back and got duly slaughtered for it. Best of luck OP B-) .

If it's any consolation, I agree wholeheartedly. Tav as a number 8 could work and allow us to play Patterson more regularly next season. Tav's engine, passing and shooting in that number 8 role could be special.
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It’s well worth a try, could save millions of pounds on a necessary model field signing and prevent stunting the development of progress of Patterson.
 
It's a difficult situation, I was talking to my mate on Sunday as I believe it's in his best interests for development to go out on loan.
I don't see either Tav or Nathan in our narrow midfield.
Our front 3 has too many good options for that to be possible also.
Nathan to an SPFL club?
Notices Brandon Barker is flying at Oxford as they are a team on the front foot and winning.
 
UlsterScotGer said:
I’m not sure Tav, for all his great attributes, has the technique to play 8 in our team and system. One of his best attributes is his crossing, he’d do little to none of that at 8. We really rely on our 8 to cover defensively and track runs, which is a whole new thing to learn doing that from a midfield position rather than right back,
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This is correct. Obviously, the ones who think you just move a guy 10 yards forward, haven't played or coached too much football.
 
Mezzala said:
literally
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adverb
  1. in a literal manner or sense; exactly.
    "the driver took it literally when asked to go straight over the roundabout"
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That meaning of literally, is in a complete different context.
Me thinks you might want to surrender regards this thread.
 
Surely changing a fullback into midfield would never work,
I mean just look how poorly Lahm, Kimich, Alaba, Dani alves etc done when they changed position to try fit in exceptional talents.... oh wait...
 
Resident_hammy_bear said:
Surely changing a fullback into midfield would never work,
I mean just look how poorly Lahm, Kimich, Alaba, Dani alves etc done when they changed position to try fit in exceptional talents.... oh wait...
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So he is more likely to be a 6 really? I think Tav could do a job in the holding midfield rather than as an 8. He is can certainly cover our marauding right back and lead as captain from there.
 
Full backs moving to midfield never works. We have tried it many times with poor results.
 
Tav (great player tho he is) doesn't have the ball control to play midfield. He is far better with the ball/play in front of him. For example Ryan Jack and Joe Aribo have far better ball control.
 
Sorry OP but no.

Tav is the most athletic player we have and is hugely effective at bombing up and down the right side.

I don't think he would have the awareness to make space for himself the way Kamara, Davis or Jack both do in centre mid. Aribo, Hagi and Arfield are already very effective in advanced mid positions.

I want Patterson to develop too but, for me, this is not the answer.
 
Gerrard started his Liverpool 1st team journey as a right back.
I don't think Tavs attributes are for the number 8 role he's far too much of a commodity on the right hand side.
In midfield we lose his overlapping, crossing, ghosting in at the back post for tap ins, his athletism getting up and down the right hand side.
Too much of a miss at full back for not much gain as a number 8.
 
Mezzala said:
Seen the point made on twitter so I thought I'd raise it here.

Tavernier has all the attributes of a very good number 8 at this level, he's athletic, has a good range of passing and is brilliant at carrying the ball forward in wide or central areas of the pitch. He'd arguably be an upgrade on anyone we have in that position and it allows us to play Patterson regularly.

People might think it's a ridiculous decision but I think it's worth the conversation at least.
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Can you explain what a number 8 does?
 
Mezzala said:
Why does it amaze you?
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For a start, he’s a RWB.

He’s been our best, most consistent player since he joined the club...at RWB.

His qualities include his pace, athleticism, ability to hit the byline and deliver a quality ball into the box...all from RWB.

Sorry mate, it’s bonkers.
 
wilso10 said:
For a start, he’s a RWB.

He’s been our best, most consistent player since he joined the club...at RWB.

His qualities include his pace, athleticism, ability to hit the byline and deliver a quality ball into the box...all from RWB.

Sorry mate, it’s bonkers.
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He isn't and has never been a RWB mate, don't be blatantly wrong if you're going to come across as patronising.

Tavernier hasn't hit the byline for Rangers in about a year, he's been all about early deliveries, getting into the box and cutting inside this season. All things you want in the role I'm talking about.
 
MK Bluenose said:
Can you explain what a number 8 does?
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Ryan Jack and Aribo are both used as 8's regularly and their roles in our system are very different, Jack is asked to cover while Aribo is virtually given a free role. The staff know what each player is good at and they try to play to everyone's strength. In general terms, a number 8 typically refers to a box to box midfielder but it's not always that simple.

Tavernier would be driving forward with the ball in central areas, have the freedom to make runs into the box more and be less restricted in terms of the spaces he can take up. The biggest change would be when we don't have the ball, our 8's are asked to be disciplined in holding shape to force opponents into wide areas of the pitch.
 
Mezzala said:
Ryan Jack and Aribo are both used as 8's regularly and their roles in our system are very different, Jack is asked to cover while Aribo is virtually given a free role. The staff know what each player is good at and they try to play to everyone's strength. In general terms, a number 8 typically refers to a box to box midfielder but it's not always that simple.

Tavernier would be driving forward with the ball in central areas, have the freedom to make runs into the box more and be less restricted in terms of the spaces he can take up. The biggest change would be when we don't have the ball, our 8's are asked to be disciplined in holding shape to force opponents into wide areas of the pitch.
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Thanks a lot for trying to explain mate, but I genuinely struggle with having two 8’s that are ‘very different’. Which number do we not play with? I played reasonable standard til I was 40...have supported Rangers for over 50 yrs and finally feel like a football dinosaur. I had already become disillusioned by the sanitised almost non contact sport that passes for football nowadays, and now I find I no longer understand the positions within a team. If it wasn’t for Rangers being such an integral part of my life, not even sure I’d bother anymore with the game I used to love.
 
I would have probably rubbished this previously.

But, thinking of the job Arfield does on the right of the three - it’s all about energy. Drive and commitment.

Jack does a bit more of a specialist role - which I don’t think Tav could do, positionally.

But, as an emergency right of the three in midfield, I think he would be better than Aribo in there, for example.
 
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