Artful Dodger
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My dads favourite playerLed by the fearless Jimmy Millar wearing No. 9
My dads favourite playerLed by the fearless Jimmy Millar wearing No. 9
I'm not though.
What do you think he was good at? What were his strengths?
I've said he lacked pace and didn't work hard enough.
I also don't think he is in the same bracket as our best ever strikers.
However, he could link play, had an incredible knack of finding space in the opposition box and his finishing and ball striking was 2nd to none.
You don't score the number of goals he did if you're a "terrible footballer"
What else do you think he lacked?
His link up play was average at best. He was dropped for every "big" game because his link up play wasn't good enough.
I agree with your comments about his finishing, finding space and composure in and around the box.
He lacked pace, work rate, link up play and he was terrible in the air for a guy of his size.
It's possible to be a terrible footballer but be so good at certain aspects of the game that your flaws can be overlooked. I'd class Marvin Andrews in the category of terrible football as well, for instance.
I agree with you regarding deficiencies in his game, but it's your description of terrible footballer that's ridiculous.
Marvin Andrews too now???
Yes, he'd limited technical ability, but you don't win a league medal as a Rangers central defender by being a terrible footballer.
Anyway the thread is getting derailed, so we'll agree to disagree.
Scoring goals.I'm not though.
What do you think he was good at? What were his strengths?
But that's exactly what I mean.
I assume you've played football and you know what someone means when they say someone is a great footballer.
Boyd and Andrews were very limited but what they done well, they done very well. There is no shame in that.
Buy your dad a bottle of his choice.For me Mark Hateley was best I’ve ever seen leas the line for us Ally the greatest but big Hateley had the lot power pace finishing link up the lot. My Da says Colin Stein and DJ where better but I’m 80s boy so never seen them who for you is the best striker?
No, we did see the best.No, DJ was a very early starter in the game and he gave us some great times but by 1980 when he was 26 his best was behind him, not because of ability but because he didn't apply himself as he should have. He had so much more to give but we never really seen his best but what we did see was superb
Buy your dad a bottle of his choice.
Certainly fo his acknowledgment of Johnstone.
Stein, I’m just a touch too young to fully remember and appreciate.
DJ achieved more in trophies won at Rangers then Hateley, Hateley applied himself far more in a more professional way overall than DJ but if achievement is counted as trophies won then DJs is the greaterDJ had the most natural ability and indeed could have played in several positions....MH worked harder and as a result achieved more....
A terrible footballer for me, is someone who lacks all the basic technical qualities of the game.
Someone with the touch, control, ball striking ability, finishing and big game composure of Boyd, doesn't fall into that category for me.
Different opinions I guess and there's nothing wrong with that.
Scoring goals.
Absolutely not. A terrible footballer doesn't score hundreds off goals for us. Limited in other aspects, yes, terrible no.So you're agreeing with what I said then.
I don't think we did see his best, he hadn't hit his peak years by the time he was finished at Ibrox but what we did see from him was tremendous, for me he is the greatest all round player I've seen at Rangers. He had so much more to give though,imoNo, we did see the best.
It’s just that his best should have lasted for so much longer than it did.
Wise man, your dad.My old man always says if DJ had been blessed with Parlane's pace, he would've been unplayable on the deck, as well as in the air Tazza.
I don't think Johnstone was particularly slow, as he was Dundee Schools 100m champion.
It's just that Parlane was exceptionally quick, I think.
Absolutely not. A terrible footballer doesn't score hundreds off goals for us. Limited in other aspects, yes, terrible no.
Your terminology is abysmal
Mccoist
Big game composure? Boyd was pretty famous for being dropped for most "big" games.
Everything you've mentioned are aspects of his finishing ability which I agree was excellent. You haven't offered any other aspects of his game that you considered to be good.
Boyd scored plenty of important goals for Rangers.
His work rate was poor, he wasn't great in the air, although he did score a good few headers and he lacked pace.
Other than that he was a good footballer.
He had an excellent 1st touch, was an excellent striker of a dead ball and his goalscoring ratio to number of chances was excellent.
I don't disagree, Boyd did score plenty of important goals for Rangers. It's also fair to say he was dropped from a lot of our "big" or more difficult matches due to his lack of overall contribution.
You're basically just repeating the points I've already agreed with. Boyd was a fantastic goalscorer but his overall play was very poor.
A far better footballer than he's given credit for.Ally McCoist. I'm not sure what he couldn't do?
I haven't disagreed that parts of his game were poor.
It was the terminology "terrible footballer" I didn't like.
Anyway, let's move on.
Probably won’t be that popular, but that six months or so before he left for Turkey - not sure I’ve seen anyone in that form consistently for us, although happy to be shown otherwise.For my era, Kenny Miller deserves a mention.
To say that DJ wasted his talent is ridiculous, there have been threads on here before detailing his achievements and stats throughout his career and the numbers stand up to anybody’s.
Yes the OF ended up with Lennon and McCoist as managers because it was so vibrant....Yeah I'm not sure about that.
On his day Morelos is the best I've seen in 50 years
But not the most consistent .
Michael Mols but for his in injury is up there
Derek Johnsrone and Hately were good..
McCoist better.
Morelos best
DJ had the much longer career at Rangers jings he won a trophy almost single handedly at 16......when Cruyff saw DJ in '72/73 he said he was good enough to play for Ajax the point is DJ when he got to near his peak didn't apply himself to training etc and he's the first to admit it.....for the likes of myself as I watched Rangers go into decline in the late 70's it was hard not to be annoyed at DJ.DJ achieved more in trophies won at Rangers then Hateley, Hateley applied himself far more in a more professional way overall than DJ but if achievement is counted as trophies won then DJs is the greater
After 1979 he certainly didn't apply himself as he should have and as I said previously that despite showing his great ability up until about him being aged 24/25 he still had so much more to give as he hadn't hit his peak yearsDJ had the much longer career at Rangers jings he won a trophy almost single handedly at 16......when Cruyff saw DJ in '72/73 he said he was good enough to play for Ajax the point is DJ when he got to near his peak didn't apply himself to training etc and he's the first to admit it.....for the likes of myself as I watched Rangers go into decline in the late 70's it was hard not to be annoyed at DJ.
You have two DJ's though,pre & post 1978.To say that DJ wasted his talent is ridiculous, there have been threads on here before detailing his achievements and stats throughout his career and the numbers stand up to anybody’s.
Hateley could take the ball from the halfway line and run on and score. I remember one goal against the sheep he absolutely skinned David Winnie and left him in his wake. His hair flying about was something to behold, the sight of that juggernaut running at you must have terrorised goalies and defenders alike.Hateley was fantastic in the air, very good on the deck with a great left foot, and also very fast.
That puts him as the top all rounder for me.
Can't believe how far through this thread I got before someone mentioned Negri. Most natural goalscorer I've ever seen.Marco Negri
“Ten times”!?My All time greatest Ranger Roy of the rovers stuff but Hateley was ten times the all round player imo.