Waghorn and Foderingham played their part in getting us back into the SPL, they weren't failures, they successful for the level they were brought in for.
The persistence with English based players
- Thread starter El Mas Loco
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ecossebear
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Corrected some of them for you OP!
Haris Vukis - success - was our player of the season.
Rob Kiernan - success for the championship.
Wes Foderingham - Success - No1 for years.
Martyn Waghorn - Success - key in getting us promotod
Gideon Zelalem - Success - key to getting us promoted
Clint Hill - Success - POTY his one season
Josh Windass - Success - first ££ transfer in about a decade!
Graham Dorrans - Success - did a job for us
Declan John - Success - great player his one season
Jamie Murphy - Success - very unlucky
Jon Flanigan - Success - good backup
Kemar Roofe - Success - contribution to 55 alone!
John Lundstrum - Success - contribution to Seville
Haris Vukis - success - was our player of the season.
Rob Kiernan - success for the championship.
Wes Foderingham - Success - No1 for years.
Martyn Waghorn - Success - key in getting us promotod
Gideon Zelalem - Success - key to getting us promoted
Clint Hill - Success - POTY his one season
Josh Windass - Success - first ££ transfer in about a decade!
Graham Dorrans - Success - did a job for us
Declan John - Success - great player his one season
Jamie Murphy - Success - very unlucky
Jon Flanigan - Success - good backup
Kemar Roofe - Success - contribution to 55 alone!
John Lundstrum - Success - contribution to Seville
BlueSevenTwo
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Vuckic best of a bad bunch.
Kieran - no way
Waghorn - big money moves but not for us -success
Foderingham - success without doubt
Zelalem - didnt contribute enough
Hill - cult hero success for that goal and celebration alone
Dorrans - major disappointment signed too late in his career
John - decent but didn’t contribute
Windass - no room me but success based on £ transfer
Murphy- very unlucky difficult to quantify
Flannagan - big reputation , bit part player
Roofe - based on £ fee & wages epic fail
Lundstram - 3 month wonder - doesn’t justify £ wage
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55degreesnorth
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Foderingham that will be playing EPL football for Sheffield Utd next season, aye I'm sure Hearts or Hibs will swoop in and nick him for a nominal 6 figure fee.
Roofe our top scorer and one of the main reasons we finally won 55 (granted his injury record has been awful but the quality is there).
Jury out on Cantwell and Lawrence.
They may have cost less and may have been superior to Goldson but that does not mean that Goldson has not been a success. That’s like arguing that Barry Ferguson wasn’t a success because he didn’t cost as much or was as good as Gazza or Laudrup. You’re just being even more ridiculous now.
also more adjustment to language and culture for guys who are top top level which is who we can attract. I have no problem with wider scouting just pointing out it brings its own concern
Sorry for guys who are not top level
SuperGers07
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Whilst the original post is very out there and filled with inaccuracy, the point he tries to make is valid.
We are being linked with a host of championship (or lower) players so far. If this manager and board think that’s going to cut it, then they are totally blind as to what’s needed here.
The fans won’t blindly follow without questioning as once before.
Scouting and recruitment has to be so much better, I’m sure it will be, but we don’t have time. It’s all about winning the title asap
We are being linked with a host of championship (or lower) players so far. If this manager and board think that’s going to cut it, then they are totally blind as to what’s needed here.
The fans won’t blindly follow without questioning as once before.
Scouting and recruitment has to be so much better, I’m sure it will be, but we don’t have time. It’s all about winning the title asap
Are you aware of this thing called inflation and that fees have inflated massively in football over the years.
Bet you’re fuming because you can no longer get a Mars Bar for 15p.
What does owning a business have to do with football? Better yet, how does it mean he knows the first thing about football in Asia, or which players in Asia are good.
One of the worst suggestions I've read on here for quite some time.
ForGodForCountryForever
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The English market is relatively risk free given the easy sell-back potential and no Players 'settling' for 12 months+
As for the Division they come from it is an irrelevance. Its entirely about the Player and what they can bring. That could just as easily be someone from the lower Leagues on an upward trajectory as another whos playing in the EPL.
As for the Division they come from it is an irrelevance. Its entirely about the Player and what they can bring. That could just as easily be someone from the lower Leagues on an upward trajectory as another whos playing in the EPL.
Mr Meeseeks
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You can’t compare transfer fees from 14/ 15 years ago to today. Totally different market where £3m ish got you a great player back then, now teams are paying over double that for prospects and squad fillers.
El Mas Loco
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Are you willing to accept you were wrong?
GodStruth
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Good bump
England is an overpriced (and overrated) market for us to work in
The only value comes in guys like Bassey and Sterling, but in the main ww should avoid like the plague
Hopefully Koppen will begin looking at markets which offer better talent at better vslue for money, specifically wages
England is an overpriced (and overrated) market for us to work in
The only value comes in guys like Bassey and Sterling, but in the main ww should avoid like the plague
Hopefully Koppen will begin looking at markets which offer better talent at better vslue for money, specifically wages
Wordy_Rappinghood
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I doubt Koppen will operate in that market.
FrazzGers
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Let’s hope so. You can add Dowell and Lawrence to that ever growing list of lower English league pish that we sign.
SaulBearenson
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Rabbi Matondo
Appearances: 57
Minutes: 2232
Average mins per appearance: 39
Full game equivalent: 25
Goals: 6
Assists: 9
Total goal involvements: 15
Minutes per goal involvement: 150
Verdict: Failure
Todd Cantwell
Appearances: 58
Minutes: 3909
Average mins per appearance: 67
Full game equivalent: 44
Goals: 12
Assists: 10
Total goal involvements: 22
Minutes per goal involvement: 180
Verdict: Jury Out
Tom Lawrence
Appearances: 37
Minutes: 2066
Average mins per appearance: 56
Full game equivalent: 23
Goals: 5
Assists: 5
Total goal involvements: 10
Minutes per goal involvement:207
Verdict: Jury Out
Martyn Waghorn
Appearances: 78
Minutes: 5515
Average mins per appearance: 71
Full game equivalent: 62
Goals: 44
Assists: 17
Total goal involvements: 61
Minutes per goal involvement: 91
Verdict: Failure
Josh Windass
Appearances: 73
Minutes: 5009
Average mins per appearance: 68
Full game equivalent: 55
Goals: 19
Assists: 13
Total goal involvements: 32
Minutes per goal involvement: 155
Verdict: Failure
Kemar Roofe
Appearances: 100
Minutes: 4810
Average mins per appearance: 48
Full game equivalent: 54
Goals: 38
Assists: 7
Total goal involvements: 45
Minutes per goal involvement: 108
Verdict: Failure
Scott Arfield
Appearances: 233
Minutes: 13604
Average mins per appearance: 58
Full game equivalent: 151
Goals: 43
Assists: 19
Total goal involvements: 62
Minutes per goal involvement: 219
Verdict: Success
Ryan Kent
Appearances: 218
Minutes: 17731
Average mins per appearance: 81
Full game equivalent: 198
Goals: 33
Assists: 56
Total goal involvements: 89
Minutes per goal involvement: 201
Verdict: Success
Joe Aribo
Appearances: 149
Minutes: 11136
Average mins per appearance: 75
Full game equivalent: 124
Goals: 26
Assists: 25
Total goal involvements: 51
Minutes per goal involvement: 219
Verdict: Success
What is the criteria used to determine success or failure exactly?
Appearances: 57
Minutes: 2232
Average mins per appearance: 39
Full game equivalent: 25
Goals: 6
Assists: 9
Total goal involvements: 15
Minutes per goal involvement: 150
Verdict: Failure
Todd Cantwell
Appearances: 58
Minutes: 3909
Average mins per appearance: 67
Full game equivalent: 44
Goals: 12
Assists: 10
Total goal involvements: 22
Minutes per goal involvement: 180
Verdict: Jury Out
Tom Lawrence
Appearances: 37
Minutes: 2066
Average mins per appearance: 56
Full game equivalent: 23
Goals: 5
Assists: 5
Total goal involvements: 10
Minutes per goal involvement:207
Verdict: Jury Out
Martyn Waghorn
Appearances: 78
Minutes: 5515
Average mins per appearance: 71
Full game equivalent: 62
Goals: 44
Assists: 17
Total goal involvements: 61
Minutes per goal involvement: 91
Verdict: Failure
Josh Windass
Appearances: 73
Minutes: 5009
Average mins per appearance: 68
Full game equivalent: 55
Goals: 19
Assists: 13
Total goal involvements: 32
Minutes per goal involvement: 155
Verdict: Failure
Kemar Roofe
Appearances: 100
Minutes: 4810
Average mins per appearance: 48
Full game equivalent: 54
Goals: 38
Assists: 7
Total goal involvements: 45
Minutes per goal involvement: 108
Verdict: Failure
Scott Arfield
Appearances: 233
Minutes: 13604
Average mins per appearance: 58
Full game equivalent: 151
Goals: 43
Assists: 19
Total goal involvements: 62
Minutes per goal involvement: 219
Verdict: Success
Ryan Kent
Appearances: 218
Minutes: 17731
Average mins per appearance: 81
Full game equivalent: 198
Goals: 33
Assists: 56
Total goal involvements: 89
Minutes per goal involvement: 201
Verdict: Success
Joe Aribo
Appearances: 149
Minutes: 11136
Average mins per appearance: 75
Full game equivalent: 124
Goals: 26
Assists: 25
Total goal involvements: 51
Minutes per goal involvement: 219
Verdict: Success
What is the criteria used to determine success or failure exactly?
Were they any good? Did they win anything? Did we make money on them?
Also we signed Kent from Liverpool and even though it pains me to say it they aren't lower league.
Arfield also came from the Premier League
GranvillusClutterbuckus
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I stopped reading as soon as i saw Brandon Barker marked as a fail. 
El Mas Loco
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My discretion was used to determine it.
SaulBearenson
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So based on nothing objective whatsoever then?
El Mas Loco
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Contributions to major trophies, availability, profit generated. Unfortunately I have a full time job, family and other commitments which meant I couldn't find the time to do an in depth analysis of 70 players.
I will concede that I give some players pass marks that shouldn't have got them them. Namely Goldson and Tavernier.
El Mas Loco
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Thread is over a year old. We hadn't signed him yet and he has spent the majority of his career on the bench.
He has been a good signing so far.
Orange County
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Butland isnt shite but he s not as good as some make out.
He would be well down the pecking order of goalies we have had since Chris Woods.
Decan John for example came in cheaply sold quickly for small profit 6 months later
Bacuna crazy deal when we needed quality but brought in for free with 50% sell on which we did for small profit
Windlass we sold for 3.5 mill after paying around 10th of that in Cross boarder fee
As you say some have came in to do a job and hadn't really been fails as such
Even flannigan he came in cheaper to provide cover did OK for us until we could get better.
After 55 our recruitment had to focus on potential quality we took punts on players who had when a little wayward.
After seville simons and doeki were 2 Dutch players gio wanted and board wouldn't pay wages........simons would have made us money on the buyback with psg and doeki is better than what we have.
The constraints we are under is because we are taking punts on players
EpsomLoyal
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Haven't read all the comments and I'm not sure the list is accurate but I agree with the fellas sentiment. You pay a premium for these type of players and most of them settle when they arrive because they probably never dreamed of playing for a club as big as Rangers.
Im sure this has been mentioned many time already but we should be scouting for players from more fertile grounds (Scandinavia, South America, Asia etc). These sort of players might see us a stepping stone to the Premier League or other top leagues and I'd actually welcome that. Raise their profile and raise the profile and success of Rangers at the same time. Yes it will be expensive to set up but it would be an investment, unlike filling the pockets of a journeyman from the championship.
Im sure this has been mentioned many time already but we should be scouting for players from more fertile grounds (Scandinavia, South America, Asia etc). These sort of players might see us a stepping stone to the Premier League or other top leagues and I'd actually welcome that. Raise their profile and raise the profile and success of Rangers at the same time. Yes it will be expensive to set up but it would be an investment, unlike filling the pockets of a journeyman from the championship.
Who do you have in mind? In an ideal world there’s a squad of Rangers fans ready to compete for a league title.
They don’t grow on trees. The Rangers minded players I can think of are currently out our price range or not good enough.
Shankland the only real option who’d be achievable and an upgrade on Dessers. He’ll still have a tax on his fee as Hearts won’t want to be selling to us.
I am optimistic Koppen will have targets outwith the inflated markets we’ve been working in.
