We already have a better keeper, 2 excellent full backs and CH cover + I expect at least 3 or 4 of those players to extend their contracts. If not we sell to the highest bidder and let Gio bring in his Dutch / continental replacements. Maybe I'm a glass half full guy, but i feel pretty upbeat, despite not getting the win we deserved, against a rested and full strength filth team.
They have a bigger re-build than we do.
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We already have a better keeper, 2 excellent full backs and CH cover + I expect at least 3 or 4 of those players to extend their contracts. If not we sell to the highest bidder and let Gio bring in his Dutch / continental replacements. Maybe I'm a glass half full guy, but i feel pretty upbeat, despite not getting the win we deserved, against a rested and full strength filth team.
skorn
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I'm not sure that CFC are even looking to rebuild at the level Rangers are looking at.
imo they have settled for a squad of players that will win them the Permiership league title.
For them, Europe is purely a bonus.
In that respect, even replacing every one of their squad isn't that big a problem.
Whereas we are trying to do the two things at the same time and although we have players that do look good in Europe, in a harsh league campaign they haven't done enough.
Replacing domestic-standard players will alwasy be easier than replacing good all-round players.
Celtc have set their standards and it has to be said, have guaranteed £30m + with that strategy this season end.
imo they have settled for a squad of players that will win them the Permiership league title.
For them, Europe is purely a bonus.
In that respect, even replacing every one of their squad isn't that big a problem.
Whereas we are trying to do the two things at the same time and although we have players that do look good in Europe, in a harsh league campaign they haven't done enough.
Replacing domestic-standard players will alwasy be easier than replacing good all-round players.
Celtc have set their standards and it has to be said, have guaranteed £30m + with that strategy this season end.
I'll disagree, it's still debatable if they will keep Jota and Vickers, but even if they don't, they need to sign 3 or 4 players.
We are looking at more than that. McGregor will be away, Goldson possibly, we need an additional CB as we seem unable to get a full season, or close to it, out of Helander, Davis likely done, Arfield may be done, Ramsey unlikely to stay, Diallo will be away and Morelos could be away.
Add in that we can't rely on Roofe to stay fit, Wright and Sakala are not at the level to be relied upon in the big games (I appreciate he scored today but that doesn't mean he's ready to be our first choice) and the end result is we will need to sign more than they do.
The key point though, is despite the fanfare of fat Anges signings, Kyogo has done heehaw since his injury, the other 2 Japanese have been found out, Hatate has been anonymous and Maeda just runs about, oriley isn't going to boss a midfield and their lanky Greek guy will score against the dross but not us or in Europe.
We have nothing to fear in their current squad, but we need to make signings who improve our first team and do it immediately to ensure we are kicking off on the front foot in August.
We are looking at more than that. McGregor will be away, Goldson possibly, we need an additional CB as we seem unable to get a full season, or close to it, out of Helander, Davis likely done, Arfield may be done, Ramsey unlikely to stay, Diallo will be away and Morelos could be away.
Add in that we can't rely on Roofe to stay fit, Wright and Sakala are not at the level to be relied upon in the big games (I appreciate he scored today but that doesn't mean he's ready to be our first choice) and the end result is we will need to sign more than they do.
The key point though, is despite the fanfare of fat Anges signings, Kyogo has done heehaw since his injury, the other 2 Japanese have been found out, Hatate has been anonymous and Maeda just runs about, oriley isn't going to boss a midfield and their lanky Greek guy will score against the dross but not us or in Europe.
We have nothing to fear in their current squad, but we need to make signings who improve our first team and do it immediately to ensure we are kicking off on the front foot in August.
renfrewger
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Sure if we sell half our team we will have a bigger rebuild, anyway those player sales will probably net us 35-40 million, coupled with patterson sale, our europa league run money and at minimum Europa league next season, even if we have a bigger rebuild we should have far more cash to do it with
Mclaughlin did well enough in the semi final for me. Will need an understudy.
They won’t spend it on big money players though. They’ll use it to hold onto their current squad and to balance their books. That’s what they’ve always done. I honestly don’t see the champions league money being as big a difference maker as the media make it out to be.
SDF
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I think if they want their moves it'll be this summer. Not many teams are forking out big money for SPFL players over 26. I'd also be wary of giving guys like Aribo a bigger contract when they don't show up for half a season.
There's also the argument that the squad badly needs a fresh injection of new blood throughout it.
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We have a lot of work to be done on our own squad ... and with a limited budget.
I would expect at least two new forwards that improve our overall scoring in games - especially when we are dominating games. There are quite a few replacements also required - possibly replacing Morelos, Roofe, Itten, Arfield, Davis, maybe Goldson, Barisic. For a whole bunch of reasons.
Our last two performances against them should them up - but also proved how poorly this team applied itself for most of the season.
I would expect at least two new forwards that improve our overall scoring in games - especially when we are dominating games. There are quite a few replacements also required - possibly replacing Morelos, Roofe, Itten, Arfield, Davis, maybe Goldson, Barisic. For a whole bunch of reasons.
Our last two performances against them should them up - but also proved how poorly this team applied itself for most of the season.
captainscarlett
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Morelos would rag doll Cameron Claty Nickers
They won't sign Jota and I'm fairly certain CCV would have been signed already if he was gen interested in the move. Not like they haven't been trying to seal the deals since Dec
Langsider
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Absolute nonsense. We need an enormous rebuild and we're already 18 months behind where we should be in it. People need to stop looking for staunch points and face up to reality. In the next window we need to sell 3 starters and bring in around 6 plus 3 or 4 really good rotation options.
Pretty sure the loan with option to buy is 10m Vickers, 7m Jota, and 3 million for Hatati ( (Japanese midfielder, sorry if wrong spelling)
So 20 million to keep these 3.
Totally agree. I expect McLaughlin to be number 1 next session, but unsure if MCrory is enough competition on the bench
Mackania
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We have a massive summer on our hands. Celtic need to improve greatly too, to be honest. They've scored late winners all season where we've conceded a load of weak equalisers to drop points. Two bang average teams domestically and only our European form has us down off the ledge.
If we sold anyone but Morelos, Bassey or Tavernier I wouldn't blink and eyelid because we could replace them all easily enough. A lot of work to turn around this team into one that can grind out a title win when neck and neck.
If we sold anyone but Morelos, Bassey or Tavernier I wouldn't blink and eyelid because we could replace them all easily enough. A lot of work to turn around this team into one that can grind out a title win when neck and neck.
20rangersultras07
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I’m not sure on that one mate, I understand where you’re coming from.
Sell aribo and kamara if I had to chose and then we can start talking about a rebuild
Sell aribo and kamara if I had to chose and then we can start talking about a rebuild
colourofsnow
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TerryMunro
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They have a team for the Scottish league but will get annihilated in Europe, we have a team that will do well in Europe but struggle against the shite we have in the Scottish league. That 19th Century Terrorist team is shite also but we aren't able to take advantage of the obvious flaws that decent teams can and that shouldn't be too hard to remedy. They have a far bigger rebuild than we do.
colourofsnow
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Not forgetting Helander and Balogun
Ally’s Golden Boot
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The midfielders they have signed, O’Riley & Hatate, are absolutely f()cking garbage.
Rob the Ranger
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It's nowhere near 40 million that's BS paper talk.Nearer 20 million and is somewhat dependant on points gained in the group stage.Ra sellick are so shite in Europe they will owe money.
Grimsdale
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They'll pull a centre half out the bag....they always do.
This.
Total idiocy.
Carter Vickers has been the standout centre half in Scotland this season. Massive part of their defensive record.
rfc_chris_rfc
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They will need to spend the guts of 16 million on both ccv and jota. Seen it on Twitter the other day that the ccv price is 6 million rising to 10. They don’t have a bigger rebuild but we do have a few to be brought in.
McLaughlin will replace McGregor imo. Will need two first choice cb’s. A right winger, I think we will sell aribo so will need a main cam. And I don’t think Morelos will be sold in the summer due to his injury. But we will still need a first team calibre striker to back him up. On top of that the likes of Davis and arfield will need replaced. Lowry and McCann will probably be brought in imo as squad players this summer but will still need an experienced midfielder brought in to fight with jack for one of they sitting midfielder roles.
McLaughlin will replace McGregor imo. Will need two first choice cb’s. A right winger, I think we will sell aribo so will need a main cam. And I don’t think Morelos will be sold in the summer due to his injury. But we will still need a first team calibre striker to back him up. On top of that the likes of Davis and arfield will need replaced. Lowry and McCann will probably be brought in imo as squad players this summer but will still need an experienced midfielder brought in to fight with jack for one of they sitting midfielder roles.
they have built a team to compete in our league not Europe. Not convinced they have a spine of a team to compete in Europe. They have a job on their hands if they are relying on ange to raid the Japanese league again.
I really hope we continue to focus our recruitment on players who fit the tactics at a European level. Obviously want to win the league, if not this season then next but we should not let that blind us recruiting loads of Scottish dross.
I really hope we continue to focus our recruitment on players who fit the tactics at a European level. Obviously want to win the league, if not this season then next but we should not let that blind us recruiting loads of Scottish dross.
rfc_chris_rfc
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Lundstram has dominated any midfield they’ve put to him in the last two old firms. Apart from McGregor, their midfield is pretty mediocre imo. The likes of rogic, Hatate are pretty easy to bully, case in point the last two old firms.
CooperBlu11
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They're not rebuilding anything!!! They're stuck with that dross for years to come.
SenoraCuellar
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People seem to have become delusional after our European success and today. We need almost a complete rebuild.
GreigK_RFC
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wit? behave!!
There’s a lot of utter fantasy land stuff in here, which is quite typical of this place after a big match.
We have a absolutely massive rebuild on our hands this summer, unless we can keep some of the players I expect to leave. Maybe we’ll do it well, maybe we’ll do it poorly, but anyone suggesting it’s not a big job is kidding themselves.
They faced an (arguably even bigger) rebuild this summer. They did it very well. If you want evidence of that, I challenge you to find one single person who believed they would be lifting the league trophy this season.
We have a absolutely massive rebuild on our hands this summer, unless we can keep some of the players I expect to leave. Maybe we’ll do it well, maybe we’ll do it poorly, but anyone suggesting it’s not a big job is kidding themselves.
They faced an (arguably even bigger) rebuild this summer. They did it very well. If you want evidence of that, I challenge you to find one single person who believed they would be lifting the league trophy this season.
NUL bear
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Bang on
Has started well everywhere he’s been then gone to shite.
His honeymoon period has just been a bit more prolonged with Celtic coz most teams don’t test him
We have a rebuilding job to do and so have they, whether they pay money for the loan players or try to find replacements is a question for them, but either way it costs.
We have a few lads coming to the end of contract or the end of their time with us, we also have two or three good youngsters coming through, maybe now is the chance to give them serious game time.
We have a few lads coming to the end of contract or the end of their time with us, we also have two or three good youngsters coming through, maybe now is the chance to give them serious game time.
Bradbo88
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Optimistic OP.
The Scum need to spend what? 15 million to keep George and vickers. That's a good chunk of the CL wedge. Throw in another 3 they are obligated on the baldy japanese sprinter and that's roughly 18m of the 25m they'll get for CL group stages. Just to stand still. They'll throw more money at the fat aussie to spend, no doubt about it.
We'll be losing ooc
Mcgregor
Goldson
Balogun
Davis
Arfield
1 year left on deal
Aribo
Kent
Morelos
Helander
Barasic
Our transfer budget will be what? 15m at best? We need to play this perfectly.
We really need to trade well
The Scum need to spend what? 15 million to keep George and vickers. That's a good chunk of the CL wedge. Throw in another 3 they are obligated on the baldy japanese sprinter and that's roughly 18m of the 25m they'll get for CL group stages. Just to stand still. They'll throw more money at the fat aussie to spend, no doubt about it.
We'll be losing ooc
Mcgregor
Goldson
Balogun
Davis
Arfield
1 year left on deal
Aribo
Kent
Morelos
Helander
Barasic
Our transfer budget will be what? 15m at best? We need to play this perfectly.
We really need to trade well
I think you’re forgetting that we have a massive rebuild to do as well.
And irritatingly we will have to do it on the basis that we will have a Europa league budget.
You never know but I cannot see us winning the Europa league this season.
And that leaves us in the position where we will only be able to spend X amount until we know whether we’ve managed to make the champions league group stages next season. So it will be bargain basement until our European qualifiers are complete.
If we do then manage to make the UCL groups, it will be last minute panic buying to some extent.
However, we will be in a much better position to compete in the domestic front of that happens.
And irritatingly we will have to do it on the basis that we will have a Europa league budget.
You never know but I cannot see us winning the Europa league this season.
And that leaves us in the position where we will only be able to spend X amount until we know whether we’ve managed to make the champions league group stages next season. So it will be bargain basement until our European qualifiers are complete.
If we do then manage to make the UCL groups, it will be last minute panic buying to some extent.
However, we will be in a much better position to compete in the domestic front of that happens.
Not only that, but the figures quoted here are higher than all of the ones I’ve seen in the press.
They’ve got a bit of tweaking to do, we’ve got a whole squad overhaul. Role reversal on last summer.
Jingle64
The dafty who hung up on Mark Hateley
No chance. Hes too fancy dan for the premiership. Think he'll stay in Portugal
ecossebear
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Or we approach it the other way and invest for the champions league and then sell a few big players if we fail. That’s better than trying to get into the CL with free transfers or dross
willie johnston
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our problem this season is our Goalie won't command his 6 yard area resulting in us chucking away a good few points, lets get a good gk on board
If we take that approach then we hold onto Kent. Alfredo probably Kamara and Aribo.
By then Goldson, Balogun Davis and maybe Arfield will have gone.
That would mean potentially having to get deals for those players closer to the deadline and probably reduce their value significantly, especially if they had not performed particularly well in those Euro qualifiers.
John Knox's Trumpet
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Jesus Christ. Just when you think the OP can't post guff more mental than the stuff he spouts in The Lounge.
I hope so. I think he is a cracking player.
Bradbo88
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It's what we should have done this summer.
Invested up front, brought in, for argument sake Veerman, skov olsen and another striker. Gambled on that getting us by malmo.
If it didn't then sell an asset to cover the shortfall.
RangersLad1983
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I wish this shit about the so called 40 million would stop, it is nothing near that amount ffs.
I do agree that they have real challenges that we've shown up today I the summer. Keeping what they have will cost around £15m
However in terms of quantity, I think we will have the far bigger upheaval job in the summer - particularly owing to players contracts running down.
That's now to say it's necessarily a bad thing, but when you throw in GVB's clear lack of faith in some squad players, it could easily be 10 in and out.
Not saying we have to sell anyone, but I doubt every player we want to will Renew, so well end up cashing in.
Shengus Malengus
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Shut the f uck up.
I’m only going by what I’ve read.
If it’s wrong, I’m glad it’s wrong.
