In the same way we lost to Berwick Rangers and Celtic lost to Caley. Every dog has its day.Ok, so if we’re using Celtics spending as a reason why we can’t compete with them, then why did we drop points against St Johnstone, St Mirren, livingston and Hibs that have budgets a fraction of ours?
The reason we’re 9 points behind Celtic isn’t solely down to our results against Celtic
In the grand scheme of what can go wrong at a football club, those things are not worthy of protest in the eyes of some of our fans.New manager in the job too late because the board delayed the inevitable.
He has done well in his time, and perhaps if we made the change earlier we would be competing.
Two good signings I agree, but they were made when the league was already effectively done. We have a history of a poor recruitment strategy under this leadership.
Months after a European final which we never capitalised on, was dampened a bit by the board strategy with the regards to the warnings to fans continuously in the lead up to the final, lack of action related to fan treatment at the match, lack of screenings for fans staying at home, not kicking on from a position of strength.
It can be twisted either way tbh but I do stand by the fact that if it was led by people other than UB then it would be backed more on here. I also think it's rich from people to criticise the protest when they were complaining about fans shouting down the We Deserve Better campaign.
I think people blame the UB for a lot of issues that are nothing to do with them. The UB being the most vocal makes them easiest to blame for everything, but that's another thread.In the grand scheme of what can go wrong at a football club, those things are not worthy of protest in the eyes of some of our fans.
Even if you are correct about the Union Bears, what does that say about them and how they conduct themselves?
twiceIn the same way we lost to Berwick Rangers and Celtic lost to Caley. Every dog has its day.
The more I think about it, the more I believe it would help their cause if they articulate the issues they believe have prompted the protest. This would help clear up what they believe the issues are and would allow people to make an informed decision whether to support them going forwardI think people blame the UB for a lot of issues that are nothing to do with them. The UB being the most vocal makes them easiest to blame for everything, but that's another thread.
That's a fact - I just don't think people appreciate the complexity of the situation.I would struggle to disagree with anything you have put here.
However, had the board sold either one or both, if there were any offers, in the face of Gerrard’s insistence all his title winning squad be retained with the likely outcome that Gerrard walked after winning 55 the supporters would have gone ballistic. It would have been the correct business decision but simply couldn’t be done in the face of Gerrard’s opposition. Can you imagine the headlines right around the world? Also, the damage it could have done to attracting new players might have been very substantial. So I do agree with you but for these reasons just don’t think it could have happened.
Going forward absolutely and I would come down in favour of letting it be known that’s what will happen.
I don't think anyone 'hates' the Union Bears.Also would add that had this protest been arranged by certain FF posters, H&H or any of that clique, then those critical of it would definitely be all for it. People putting their hatred of the UB ahead of how they actually feel.
I agree mate. I also don't know if I'm at the stage of full blown protests. However, I will stand by that the negative opinions on this thread are people not wanting to support the UB rather than supporting the two people it's aimed at.The more I think about it, the more I believe it would help their cause if they articulate the issues they believe have prompted the protest. This would help clear up what they believe the issues are and would allow people to make an informed decision whether to support them going forward
Stevie 4Lads has explained his position and although he doesn’t claim to speak for others, he does have people that follow his blog and support him. Maybe some clarity over what the UB perceive the issues to be would help
Fan ownership was always a pipe dream mate. I admire clubs that have it but I couldn't see it working at Rangers in a million years.I don't think anyone 'hates' the Union Bears.
And talk of cliques takes me back to the dark days when we fkd fan ownership.
You know what, I think there was a moment in time when it was achievable and definitely not a pipe dream - Our circumstances have changed now and the moment has passed.Fan ownership was always a pipe dream mate. I admire clubs that have it but I couldn't see it working at Rangers in a million years.
And people in the support definitely hate the UB, some reasons can be understanble, some just a weird jealousy vibe.
I'm not going by just on here, going by some real life experiences. I'd say for the majority of people it's not at that level, but definitely for some. Although I think they might just like to appear contrarian.You know what, I think there was a moment in time when it was achievable and definitely not a pipe dream - Our circumstances have changed now and the moment has passed.
Minor disagreements and online tittle tattle around the UB do not = hatred.
We have fan ownership. Every director and nearly every shareholder whether they have large or, like me, small shareholdings is a fan. You can’t get more complete fan ownership than we have. We are as near 100% fan ownership as is possible since there will always be a few, such as newspapers, who hold a small amount of shares just to get access to general meetings and the like.Fan ownership was always a pipe dream mate. I admire clubs that have it but I couldn't see it working at Rangers in a million years.
And people in the support definitely hate the UB, some reasons can be understanble, some just a weird jealousy vibe.
fan ownership means fan organisation having a sayWe have fan ownership. Every director and nearly every shareholder whether they have large or, like me, small shareholdings is a fan. You can’t get more complete fan ownership than we have. We are as near 100% fan ownership as is possible since there will always be a few, such as newspapers, who hold a small amount of shares just to get access to general meetings and the like.
That's not the 'fan ownership' that was discussed through the years though and I suspect you know that.We have fan ownership. Every director and nearly every shareholder whether they have large or, like me, small shareholdings is a fan. You can’t get more complete fan ownership than we have. We are as near 100% fan ownership as is possible since there will always be a few, such as newspapers, who hold a small amount of shares just to get access to general meetings and the like.
You missed a bullet point outPretty much everyone ever connected with Rangers has had it in the neck on here, or elsewhere. That doesn’t mean those opinions should be aired at the stadium as well.
It’s all about timing, and what exactly determines when it’s time to push the ‘protest’ switch.
Taking everything into account:
- new manager only 3 months into the job
- won 17/19 games
- 2 good new signings in the door
- relative position of club compared to Celtic
- matter of months since a European final
Despite frustrations, some people probably don’t think it’s quite at the ‘protest’ stage.
What like Club1872?fan ownership means fan organisation having a say
yes, technicallyWhat like Club1872?
So that’s what we have. Unfortunately they couldn’t agree the first rule of involvement with privileged information that it has to be kept confidential. Hence they no longer get access to privileged information and the opportunity to put their members opinion directly to the club.yes, technically
fans within a fan organisation so to speak
but its doomed to failSo that’s what we have. Unfortunately they couldn’t agree the first rule of involvement with privileged information that it has to be kept confidential. Hence they no longer get access to privileged information and the opportunity to put their members opinion directly to the club.
What part of Celtic appointing a good manager, who has spent his considerable budget extremely well, can Stewart Robertson and Ross Wilson control?You missed a bullet point out
• watching/letting the scum stroll to another treble potentially
A ridiculous banner directed at our manager a week before a huge semi-final?I think people blame the UB for a lot of issues that are nothing to do with them. The UB being the most vocal makes them easiest to blame for everything, but that's another thread.
aye trumpetsA ridiculous banner directed at our manager a week before a huge semi-final?
Continuous singing of songs that have the potential to damage the club, making them absolute toxic to the board?
At least the Blue Order had a bit of savvy.
Were you at the Partick game? The vast majority of the stadium were against the decision to award them a goal, as was one of our leading players. People were annoyed whether they like to rewrite history or not.A ridiculous banner directed at our manager a week before a huge semi-final?
Continuous singing of songs that have the potential to damage the club, making them absolute toxic to the board?
At least the Blue Order had a bit of savvy.
He isn't very good at a Motherwell or RangersSo what’s your point ?
When she was Hibs many times and beginning of career with Queens parkSorry
I haven’t heard any statements from her that suggests she is good at her job.
It doesn’t matter if every single fan in the stadium was against the decision. Creating a banner over the matter, with unfair criticism of the current manager’s comments, was ridiculous, and quite rightly slated by many.Were you at the Partick game? The vast majority of the stadium were against the decision to award them a goal, as was one of our leading players. People were annoyed whether they like to rewrite history or not.
Even more reason for them not to sing similar songs today, especially if they want the board to work with them.The Blue Order took part in very unpopular protests.
You talk about damage to the club, the main damage was done before UB were even formed in Pamplona.
As I previously mentioned still waiting a answer from Robertson on my email sWell done
At least you have an opinion.
If you go to away games you will know the UB are just a small % of fans and these songs are sung by the majority.It doesn’t matter if every single fan in the stadium was against the decision. Creating a banner over the matter, with unfair criticism of the current manager’s comments, was ridiculous, and quite rightly slated by many.
Even more reason for them not to sing similar songs today, especially if they want the board to work with them.
The UB set the tone, especially at Ibrox.If you go to away games you will know the UB are just a small % of fans and these songs are sung by the majority.
Indeed. There are many who would blame the club for the fan group not want8ng to play by the rules both in respect of dealings with the club, and the absolute need for confidentiality, and taking the pulse of the organisation’s membership.but its doomed to fail
cause a fan group might not be onboard with the fans themselves .....
why remove songs?The UB set the tone, especially at Ibrox.
If they made a concerted effort, which they have the power to do, the songs could be removed, and the board might begin listening to them.
Are the 49k other fans unable to sing over the top of them? Are the other fans unable to start songs? The blame being put on the UB for certain songs is inaccurate.The UB set the tone, especially at Ibrox.
If they made a concerted effort, which they have the power to do, the songs could be removed, and the board might begin listening to them.
If for no other reason the singing of particular songs has and will cause the club reputational damage in addition to the monetary fines and partial stadium closures that have already been levied and those probably more punitive sanctions that are likely in the future. Make no mistake if He’s So Useless becomes First Minister he will force through strict liability and Rangers will be the only target. If that doesn’t convince anyone to stop then I give up. I happen to know it is a real worry for the club hierarchy.why remove songs?
or we can defend our Protestant Orange songs ?If for no other reason the singing of particular songs has and will cause the club reputational damage in addition to the monetary fines and partial stadium closures that have already been levied and those probably more punitive sanctions that are likely in the future. Make no mistake if He’s So Useless becomes First Minister he will force through strict liability and Rangers will be the only target. If that doesn’t convince anyone to stop then I give up. I happen to know it is a real worry for the club hierarchy.
As has been said ad nauseum the UB are the only ones who start songs so they are the origin of whatever gets picked up and multiplies.Are the 49k other fans unable to sing over the top of them? Are the other fans unable to start songs? The blame being put on the UB for certain songs is inaccurate.
The UB view themselves as the singing section or ‘ultras’.Are the 49k other fans unable to sing over the top of them? Are the other fans unable to start songs? The blame being put on the UB for certain songs is inaccurate.
- because singing songs about the Pope and Catholics is not a great image.why remove songs?
Don’t think anyone has said anything to the contrary although a number have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with references to such as Bobby Sands. The songs that cause problems are well known and they have been made known to the UB by the club’s senior management, and us all for that matter. Any indication that the ‘problematic’ songs and the add ones are not known is simply nonsense.or we can defend our Protestant Orange songs ?
no one think of that?
You are fighting a losing battle on here.Don’t think anyone has said anything to the contrary although a number have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with references to such as Bobby Sands. The songs that cause problems are well known and they have been made known to the UB by the club’s senior management, and us all for that matter. Any indication that the ‘problematic’ songs and the add ones are not known is simply nonsense.
Well for a start it helps if the club is run properly.So who is going to finance it?
The support are the only customers the club has, unless you think Doncaster is suddenly going to achieve EPL type TV and commercial contracts, which would be shared out anyway so giving us no advantage over rivals.
We need to get real. Yes we might build a strong team over time, something like Brighton have, but it will be the exception rather than the rule. Money talks and such as Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool and probably soon Newcastle will nine times out of ten best a Brighton. Bayern, PSG and Real Madrid/Barcelona similarly in their leagues.
Unless we are willing to pay more be that season tickets, replica kit, lottery tickets or whatever their spending power will, in the short to medium term, win out.
However if you can point to a league where the biggest budget doesn’t more often than not win I’ll admit defeat.
Harsh but true and it can surely only be a mater of time before the wider support realise it.
As an aside the newly introduced, from June 2022, UEFA Financial Sustainability regulations effectively hamstring clubs like us in leagues like ours preventing them moving upward by ‘sugar daddy’ cash injections. Even if we were bought over by Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos jointly they couldn’t inject significant cash. These regulations are a large part of why Newcastle have spent relatively little since being taken over despite having access to the Saudi Sovereign Wealth fund.
Having written all that doom and gloom hopefully Michael Beale proves to be an inspired appointment and the club continues on an upward trend, and no-one attempts to lure him away to the EPL or elsewhere.
The club is run properly. With the exception of 20/21 due to COVID the club accounts have shown improvement year on year. That is evidence endorsed by financial experts.Well for a start it helps if the club is run properly.
Again, if you think the model to simply lumber the fans with the most expensive tickets, merch etc you're very naive as to where that can get us.
NonsenseThe club is run properly. With the exception of 20/21 due to COVID the club accounts have shown improvement year on year. That is evidence endorsed by financial experts.
If not the fans then where can UEFA compliant money come from?
What is nonsense and what is the etc. on top of player trading?Nonsense
And the money should be coming from football money, player trading etc. Last year was the exception on that.