Just his shoulder that's off?
He should have wore a tighter shirt and he would have been ok.
Just his shoulder that's off?
Because it makes on-field refs and assistants pointless.
Because it makes on-field refs and assistants pointless.
In my opinion, it should only be used when a ref or assistant has made a decision which has led to a goal, a penalty or a sending off which is wrong.One of my biggest gripes with VAR - and I am, in general, in favour - is that there doesn't seem to be a 'standard' across the globe. Each Association - and indeed even FIFA and UEFA - seem to have implemented their own version of VAR and how it will be applied. We've seen different implementations in place for the Men's World Cup and then for the Women's World Cup for example. No doubt it will be different again at the Euros next Summer. Its crazy.
It's embarrassing.
How's that a clear and obvious error?
Again, it's not the purpose VAR was originally intended for.
It doesnt at all. Im in the camp generally opposed to VAR but its supposedly been brought in to reach the correct decision more often so if youre offside then youre offside.Because it makes on-field refs and assistants pointless.
Any part you can legally score with.I'd just scrap the offside rule. Always hated it.
I'm guessing the actual rule states if any part of the attackers body is off, then its offside?
Shite rule imo
Bonkers. Scrap it all together.Any part you can legally score with.
When Serie A first implemented it, I quite liked it. It corrected obvious errors the ref or assistants made.'Intended' by whom mate? See my later post. There's different standards across different Associations and even different implementation between UEFA and FIFA - and even between tournaments run by the same body. Its not a 'fixed' thing, it has been, and still is, being developed.
They need to move to an agreed implementation across all Associations that use it and across FIFA and UEFA as soon as possible.
To get back to the original point - the correct decision, however tight, was made. I'd counter by saying THAT was the intended purpose - above all else - when VAR was introduced, i.e. getting more decisions correct.
When Serie A first implemented it, I quite liked it. It corrected obvious errors the ref or assistants made.
They used it well, but it's now been taken too far where it can overturn or give decisions that are debatable or are so close and not obvious.
I agree that all federations and competitions should have the same rules regarding it.
Apparently the cameras they use have a 5mm margin of error, I'd say the offside was too close to call even for VAR
VAR was meant to do away with controversial decisions as well
The primary purpose of VAR was to ensure more 'correct' decisions. That's the top and bottom of it. Its offside - albeit by very small margins - and, therefore, the correct decision.
Again, it's not the purpose VAR was originally intended for.
What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
It's what it's used for now. People clinging to "clear and obvious error" with regards to every VAR point haven't bothered to get up to speed with the actual facts of the matter now and in all honesty shouldn't be entered into discussion with.
I was fully behind VAR but the implementation is not what I expected. Spending 3 minutes deciding if Son’s armpit is 1mm ahead of Evans quad was not what I imagined it would be used for, Also did they check when the ball actually left the football of the player playing they ball ? I just cannot see how the point where the ball is struck by the player making the forward pass can be identified to the accuracy of the eventual offside. Because Son might not have been offside then
Because I believe that's what it should be used for.What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
It's what it's used for now. People clinging to "clear and obvious error" with regards to every VAR point haven't bothered to get up to speed with the actual facts of the matter now and in all honesty shouldn't be entered into discussion with.
So if VAR is accurate enough to be used in offside decisions dealing in mm's how come they can't use it to have penalties retaken when the goalkeeper is clearly yards off their line ?
Its offside. Its a factual decision rather than a matter of opinion. Should we disallow goals because the ball is only 2mm over the line because its 'too tight to call'. In actual fact, offside and goal-line technology are the two areas where technology really come into play because there's no 'grey' areas of personal opinion - its a goal or not, its offside or not.
No it’s not, there is still a judgement of where to put the cursorIts offside so it was ruled out.
The "clear and obvious" wording doesn't make sense and I don't think it's even part of the rule any more. If it was clear and obvious the ref would get the decision right in the first place.
VAR was designed to reach the right decision and that's what it's done, as fractional as it might be it's still offside.
No it’s not, there is still a judgement of where to put the cursor
From the EPLs FAQ on the introduction of VAR.
When the VAR is involved in offside decisions, they will be making a factual call based on evidence from fully calibrated offside lines.
However the lines they project across the pitch aren't accurate. They haven't factored in the foreshortening, which makes a lot of seemingly obviously decisions completely wrong. If they're going to insist on using this for offsides, the least they can do is take the arms out of the equationOffside is a factual decision, nothing to do with being a clear and obvious error.
Howe
However the lines they project across the pitch aren't accurate. They haven't factored in the foreshortening, which makes a lot of seemingly obviously decisions completely wrong. If they're going to insist on using this for offsides, the least they can do is take the arms out of the equation
They dont use those lines to make the decision.Howe
However the lines they project across the pitch aren't accurate. They haven't factored in the foreshortening, which makes a lot of seemingly obviously decisions completely wrong. If they're going to insist on using this for offsides, the least they can do is take the arms out of the equation
Its offside. Its a factual decision rather than a matter of opinion. Should we disallow goals because the ball is only 2mm over the line because its 'too tight to call'. In actual fact, offside and goal-line technology are the two areas where technology really come into play because there's no 'grey' areas of personal opinion - its a goal or not, its offside or not.