In fact most at game today were quite aware he seems bang average and struggling big time.Totally agree.
FF is a small minority in terms of the Rangers fan base where the mentalists want him sacked, the vast majority are most definitely behind him despite the way we are playing at the moment.
He needs an experienced, successful assistant manager.
Take it as an excuse if you wish. However, when Souness, a rookie manager, came he had a very experienced assistant manager. I don’t think anyone has ever doubted the job Walter did as his assistant.That's just yet another excuse. To do what, take over the reigns.
He's got one of the best, copyright FF, in Beale. McAllister too.
Anything to take the limelight off Gerrard as some just don't want to admit he might just not have it.
He'll do much better next season now that he has seen that the challenge is about much more than purely football.
I've seen more than enough to be confident Steven Gerrard will win us 55.
We're lucky to have him.
Why don't we just make the experienced,successful assistant manager ,the manager?.Or as I have said all along ,the appointment of Gerrard was simply a PR stunt We weren't thinking straight,We needed a"big name".Well we got our big name all right.Albeit a rookie who had never managed in his puff and that decision could come back to haunt us for years to come.After the Warburton/Pedro/Murty debacle We had to get it right .We have made a complete and utter balls of it.He needs an experienced, successful assistant manager.
I strongly agreeHe needs an experienced, successful assistant manager.
He needs an experienced, successful assistant manager.
Why do fans have to tiptoe around saying they'd get rid of him?
I wouldn't but there are so may stopping shot of saying that as if they fear condemnation.
He's a young manager who has taken on one of the biggest jobs in British football with no real experience, very little funds to rebuild. Of course he needs an older, experienced older head to advise and guide him in the early part of his tenure. He'll learn as he goes about the rebuild of the club but it will take time.If he needs his hand held then he shouldn’t be here.
Now is the time to be patient and help him.
He has made some mistakes like making Tav captain and splitting Katic and Goldson upand isn’t above criticism but he has also gave us some great nights in Europe nights I didn’t think we’d see for another few years and also got the monkey off our back re beating them.
He knows what this team needs and he will be backed imo and I also believe we will be a different animal under him next season.
By all means I understand the frustration but he has done some fine work and will be better for it next season imo.
I still think majority back him and like we have all season he needs us so let’s support him like never before.
I back the manager but a blind man can see the 4-3-3 is utter pish against the likes of Killie. Sometimes you need to win ugly and we simply can’t.
You could out a bag of cement on a Rangers blazer and people would call you a disgrace for calling it a bag of cement.You could go back to a thread a week ago and look at how I was accosted for simply saying that he hasn’t progressed us a great deal, or not as much as some claim. It ended with some helmet telling me I’ve got no business supporting Rangers. I think that’s why people are a bit tentative.
The system is killing us but yet again today he’s still persisted with it.I'll sit and wait while he plays the same failure of a system every week. Its all good no hurry
You could go back to a thread a week ago and look at how I was accosted for simply saying that he hasn’t progressed us a great deal, or not as much as some claim. It ended with some helmet telling me I’ve got no business supporting Rangers. I think that’s why people are a bit tentative.
Going by the crowd today I think rather more than the FF minority have given up the ghost.Totally agree.
FF is a small minority in terms of the Rangers fan base where the mentalists want him sacked, the vast majority are most definitely behind him despite the way we are playing at the moment.
A successful assistant manager isn’t necessarily ready to step up e.g. Archie Knox. We’ve done this once before with a big name rookie manager. While there are other differences - financial gap between England and Scotland not so big and no euro football for English clubs - the lack of an experienced assistant is imo, huge.Why don't we just make the experienced,successful assistant manager ,the manager?.Or as I have said all along ,the appointment of Gerrard was simply a PR stunt We weren't thinking straight,We needed a"big name".Well we got our big name all right.Albeit a rookie who had never managed in his puff and that decision could come back to haunt us for years to come.After the Warburton/Pedro/Murty debacle We had to get it right .We have made a complete and utter balls of it.
The banshees as you call them are mostly people who never go to Ibrox they are always the first to mouth off for some reason and most real fans understand that Gerard needs time as you say we have beaten the scum that lifted us and Gérard knows he will never pick a team that suits every one, today we were terrible in the first half but he made changes and nobody can say we didn't dominate the second half apart from our marauding full who can give the ball away sometimes but he has improved us no doubt in my mind and patience with him by all real fans will pay off.I hope the majority still back him but the banshees are out in force and making Ibrox an unpleasant place to spend an evening or afternoon.
You’d have told Souness to beat it, then?If he needs his hand held then he shouldn’t be here.
Is that right member eh.I will tell you what there is some optimistic posters on here or blind
I've always said its about next season but im getting worried this is awful
Dave King and the board are to blame here giving the manager of Rangers to a novice
we are going nowhere until this board appoint a proper manager
Your whole point, however, was that some of us are 'stars-truck teenagers' who can't see beyond Gerrard the player and his status within the game. Which is patronising nonsense, just because we have a different opinion.
You also agree with a poster who suggests that Gerrard was not a winner as a player.
Again, it's the social media rush to declare someone a success or a failure with no reasonable time given. FF is renowned for it and would have spent our transfer budget on Coulibaly and latterly Ryan Kent. That's now been dismissed in the same way the "must-buy" of last season Sean Goss.
Of course Gerrard was going to make mistakes and there would be mishaps. Anyone thinking otherwise was always going to be disappointed.
You’d have told Souness to beat it, then?
You’d have told Souness to beat it, then?
Which I still think is absolutely true, and it’s clear from evidence, particular in the difference in reaction between this pathetic second half of the season, and the reaction when similar happened under previous management.
There you go again unable to distinguish between the managers.
The reason the reaction is different is because of what happened in the first half of the season. Pedro didn’t build any credit or give an indication he knew what he was doing. Naturally his errors were magnified - it happens when you are being routinely humiliated.
Archie Knox on RTV talked of the size of the job and the time necessary. Is he also blinded by stardom?
Yeah so you were saying the last time, we had a decent run in Europe and beat Celtic so that allows for the feeble excuses for our piss poor league form. I also said last time that he’s obviously done a better job than the previous two OVERALL, but it doesn’t entitle him to escape criticism for the state of the league results.
You are absolutely kidding yourself on if you think the managers profile isn’t playing a significant part in the leeway he’s been given.
And your Archie Knox argument is weak as piss, none of the RTV guests ever criticise the manager, they never did it when Warburton or Pedro were in charge either.
Archie Knox is just an example of someone with experience - something you and I do not have. You're happy to dismiss it due to the platform an opinion is given on. That says more about you.
No one's saying SG should escape criticism - again, another odd example of your argument by suggesting things that aren't happening. We're all aware of the disappointments and frustrations. There are some, however, that do so improvement in the team and the potential. In doing so, we naturally refer to the better moments of the season as that's the basis of our opinion - they are not "feeble excuses".
You're obviously the one with difficulty of the "manager's profile" as you keep referring to it (as well as his playing career). I'm only talking about this season.
Is that all you’re going to do? Waffle pseudo-intellectual nonsense?
1) The guests don’t criticise the manager and didn’t criticise the two previous managers in spite of their serious ineptitude, therefore your attempt at making some sort of point is not valid because even if Knox felt he wasn’t up to it he would never say so, and you know this anyway, you just don’t want to say “okay, I got it wrong”.
2) you brought his profile up when you quoted me, so I’m discussing it now, and I mentioned it previously because it’s obviously clouding judgment for many people. Imagine the shock, discussing such a thing on a discussion forum.
The middle part is jibberish and doesn’t make sense. Harking back to 3 or 4 months ago is feeble to be perfectly honest, particularly when the second half of the season has been as disappointing as it has. I have my opinon, I’ve backed it up reasonably well. If you don’t like it, feel free to stick me on ignore.
Anyway no disrespect, but you’re boring me, and the “you say black I say white” nonsense has already run it’s course on this particular thread. Have a good one.
We need to stop being too reliant on Alfredo to score the goals and other players need to step up more. No doubt he will find the players starting with Alfie's replacement. We need AMs and wingers who can beat a man and cross a ball like McLean/ McCann.Time and again, this season and last, I find myself echoing your thoughts.
We have to start with stability. Gerrard has to be backed to lead us going forward.
The reality is, we wasted a lot of time and money with Pedro. Gerrard has had to ship out the remains of that mess, whilst a few hung on sucking wages out the club on loan.
We might have a similar points tally to last year, but this current team would murder Pedro’s team. That’s progress, and I’m backing the manager.
Remember a good few months ago the media thing with Rossiter sitting, that we will replace and get hard if they are not doing it.Some mistakes is being kind.
His domestic record is utterly deplorable and sackable.
Why do fans have to tiptoe around saying they'd get rid of him?
I wouldn't but there are so may stopping shot of saying that as if they fear condemnation.
He had Smith in right at the start. While no one can ever know what would have happened if Souness didn’t have Smith, or another experienced assistant manager, with him, I’ve never heard one person doubt the benefits of Smith being there. And apart from you, I don’t think anyone’s talking about hand holding.Errrrr, why would I?
Souness was a success and he certainly didn’t need his hand held and wasn’t averse to making changes.