Couldn't agree more, a bang average footballer and if Forest want him back in January they can have him. He's dreadful and should be nowhere near our first team, he can drop Ejaria at Liverpool on his way past.
As I'm sure is the case with you, as well, Fatbluebear, I'm not one to make snap judgements about players, so I've been holding off on these two. However, I've now seen enough.
As you say, would be perfectly happy to see these two heading back south. It isn't working with them.