Who is actually a protestant?

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Steve Snedden said:
The Jews do it best. To me Judaism is a religion but not to most Jews. I have known agnostic and atheist Jews but they all identify as Jewish.

We need to start embracing the fact that we might not be religious but we are culturally Protestant.
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Slightly OT, but Judaism is a religion, it’s what the majority of Jews practice, in one form or another. Being Jewish, though, is different in that the Jews are an identifiable people group, regardless of what faith they follow (or none). For example, Messianic Jews follow Christianity, but it in no way dilutes the fact that they are, and always will be, Jewish.
 
LoneRanger said:
Premarital sex is my religion
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I think it is morality and ethics I was brought up to respect everyone family was probably communist to be honest read books about communism v catholicsm in Italy never considered that COS brainwashed at sermons cannot recollect until the sermon by the minister ( whose son became SNp member) of anything other than traditional christian stories. Have a high opinion of my views and do not think all religion brainwashed people it maybe does now read the bible it is teaching people to live in a proper way organised religion was rubbished by Christ particularly the icons etc. Still anti Cathoilicsm not anti the individuals I go to the gaeme with two RC Rangers supporters ( life long) and would argue that the RC church is not fit for purpose aand would protrest against it so would still consider myself a PROTESTant
 
Bowery Boy said:
Was brought up a Protestant but rejected it when I was about 7 and started to think for myself.
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One wonders what treats the world will have in store when all these surgeons, physicians, physicists, professors and other members of the scientific community who openly profess faith in God through Jesus Christ start to think for themselves.
 
I was not brought up to be religious but joined the lifeboys and then the bb because that's what you did followed your mates it gave you discipline and taut you right from wrong and that has stayed with me all my life and l am nearly 70,if god suits you l salute you but to me l don't need anybody to lean on or to blame for being who l am a protestant
 
GREGRFC said:
I’m a proud Protestant. I attend church every few weeks. I struggle with my faith an awful lot. One argument I can’t accept is the “how daft must you be to believe in all that hocus pocus” which I hear sometimes and similar sentiments are posted on this thread - my congregation has some very intelligent people both academically and otherwise (one example: a Scientist/Pharmacologist who was part of a small research team who won the Nobel Prize.)

I think an earlier poster made a great point when showing parallels to the Jews - you can identify as Protestant, particuarly in a cultural sense, but not be religious. I don’t see that as a contradiction at all.



That is the Apostles’ Creed and pre-dates the reformation. It contains “...Holy Catholic Church...”. Catholic in this sense should not be confused with Roman Catholicism. In the Creed ‘Catholic’ means ‘universal’ or ‘whole’. It does sound strange to a lot of people and it’s often changed in Scotland and Northern Ireland for these reasons.
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Excellent and informative post mate thanks for clearing that up . I’m starting to realise Roman Catholic is slightly different to catholic .

Incidentally, despite not regarding myself as a religious person , I’d never question or ridicule anyone’s beliefs . It’s easy to make fun of some bible stories ( Noah’s ark being the most obvious ) but as I get older I realise people’s faith helps them in dark times . I’ve gone through dark times and I’ve been grateful for other people saying things like “ we are praying for you” etc . I didn’t and never would throw it back in their faces as I’m still appreciative of the support . Regardless of what religion it comes from.

The truth is nobody knows why we are here , evolution yes , we find out a lot through science , but the way some people attack religion these days in some smug, condescending way , to me is uncalled for .

Good for you for sticking to your beliefs mate .
 
There is so much ignorance in Scotland about religion, it quickly becomes an embarrassing mess of contradictions. People who delcare themselves atheists are desperate to attach themselves to a religious sect, in order to be identified and accepted. It's self-delusion, born of an insecurity and triabalism which you don't find in England, for example. Ultimately they are only lying to themselves, as they fail to challenge their own reasoning.

I will give Steve Clarke this much: the west of Scotand remains in the dark ages when it comes to religious bigotry. It is still a swamp of intolerant lunacy from both sides.
 
BlueHaze said:
I think that is where sectarianism,,bigotry and racism kicks in,When a group of people are judged as a whole but not individuals,Therefore if you are a Rangers fan you are Protestant,Loyalist,Orangeman you are not allowed to be just a football supporter .
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Your post sums it up. “Rangers fans” is a grouping for a number of identities that are utterly scorned in modern day Scotland.

Push against it and you feel the weight of Establishment Thinking.
 
Mr Snuffleupagus said:
There is so much ignorance in Scotland about religion, it quickly becomes an embarrassing mess of contradictions. People who delcare themselves atheists are desperate to attach themselves to a religious sect, in order to be identified and accepted. It's self-delusion, born of an insecurity and triabalism which you don't find in England, for example. Ultimately they are only lying to themselves, as they fail to challenge their own reasoning.

I will give Steve Clarke this much: the west of Scotand remains in the dark ages when it comes to religious bigotry. It is still a swamp of intolerant lunacy from both sides.
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You have stated your view on this consistently on the thread and it’s a good for debate if not a little repetitive. We understand the point you are making but surely you can see the point many are making in regards to Protestant culture v religious beliefs? Culture is defined as the ideas, customs and/or social behaviour of a particular people or society. To align yourself to something culturally isn’t in conflict with saying you don’t follow that particular religion which gave that culture it’s foundations.

Take specifically Protestantism out of this for a second. Can you be culturally Christian and still be an atheist? Do most UK atheists celebrate Christmas? Of course they do, as do many non-Christians. Doesn’t that come down to our culture based on religious foundations even if you’re not religious? That’s people who are culturally Christian even if they are not Christians. You can be culturally Protestant even if you’re not religious.

The majority of people in the UK state they are of no religion, yet most still partake in religious celebrations. That’s culture.

Mr Snuffleupagus said:
I think I was about ten when I decided religion was horse shit. It was around the same age I stopped believing in Father Christmas, as they each seemed equally fantastic ideas. If any adult continues to believe in the supernatural, that's their business, but the burden of proof is then upon them to convince me they are playing with a full deck. I'm always wary.
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Are you more intelligent than everybody who follows a religion?
 
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Funny how I could call myself an atheist and speak ill of Roman Catholicism and most folks wouldn't bat an eyelid, but say the exact same words while calling myself a Protestant and I apparently automatically transform into a bigot.
 
TinyRick said:
I was 7 the first time I said out loud that I didn't believe any of it. I know this for a fact because we moved house when i was 8 and it definitely happened in our old house.
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I think I was about ten when I decided religion was horse shit. It was around the same age I stopped believing in Father Christmas, as they each seemed equally fantastic ideas. If any adult continues to believe in the supernatural, that's their business, but the burden of proof is then upon them to convince me they are playing with a full deck. I'm always wary.
 
When I joined the Church of Scotland I joined the Holy Catholic Church. Catholic means universal. An example is in the use of the word when describing musical tastes; a catholic taste in music means liking all types of music.
The Roman Catholic Church is a subset of Christianity which is fundamentally bigoted because it maintains that only its adherants can enter Heaven and those adherants can only communicate with God through an ordained Roman Catholic priest for forgiveness of sin. Protestantism holds that Christians can communicate directly with God. This is the basic difference between the two. Essentially that people can think for themselves without the aid of a priest. Hence the reason that the Roman Church needs to keep a tight rein on its flock.
I’m glad I am a Protestant. However, I do believe that the Protestant people have been badly let down by the Church of Scotland over several decades now. Certainly in comparison to the Roman Church performance.
 
brought up CoS until i was about 12 - 13 then just stopped going to church.
pretty much atheist views since i was about 18.
my mum still goes to church and comes from very staunch CoS background, but she never took chemicals which would give her the same view of religion that i have :D:)):D
 
GREGRFC said:
You have stated your view on this consistently on the thread and it’s a good for debate if not a little repetitive. We understand the point you are making but surely you can see the point many are making in regards to Protestant culture v religious beliefs? Culture is defined as the ideas, customs and/or social behaviour of a particular people or society. To align yourself to something culturally isn’t in conflict with saying you don’t follow that particular religion which gave that culture it’s foundations.

Take specifically Protestantism out of this for a second. Can you be culturally Christian and still be an atheist? Do most UK atheists celebrate Christmas? Of course they do, as do many non-Christians. Doesn’t that come down to our culture based on religious foundations even if you’re not religious? That’s people who are culturally Christian even if they are not Christians. You can be culturally Protestant even if you’re not religious.

The majority of people in the UK state they are of no religion, yet most still partake in religious celebrations. That’s culture.
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Christmas is largely a commercial celebration, devoid of any 'culture'. To answer your question, no, I refute it's possible to be 'culturally Christian' whilst being an atheist. Christmas is now about commercialism and profit, the very thing Christ abhorred, so what part of 'Christian culture' does that celebrate? I buy my kids Christmas presents because they know it's Christmas, and Christ and religion are never mentioned; it never enters our 'culture'. My kids think Father Christmas invented Christmas. It isn't a cultural celebration.

Everybody needs to be honest themselves. Why are some so keen to keep these labels, when they have rejected religious belief? What purpose does it serve? I think it's intellectually dishonest. If it gives them a sense of self, fair enough, but I say they no longer need to cling to it.
 
millar2318 said:
Like, a card carrying full on member of the church of Scotland with a belief in a Christian god? I know there will be many on the forum, but hear me out.

For me (an agnostic in all honesty), I don't consider myself to have a faith. Yea my birth certificate will say church of Scotland at the behest of my parents, but I've not entered a church (bar weddings etc) since I was 5, and I went to a non denominational school, despite some attempts to call these 'proddie schools' in my youth.

Indeed, it would seem that because im white and not a catholic, the default in Scotland is to assume I am therefore a protestant. I've always found that strange, especially where football is concerned, as it tends to simplify the debate and the narrative.

I don't hate Catholics, I've got friends, I have family, I've had lovers, that are catholic. I don't really like Celtic though, the football club. I don't like them not because they're catholic, but because im a rangers fan. I've been indoctrinated a rangers fan, but that's ok, because it is only football, its never been protestant v catholic for me, it's just been about MY football team.

So why do we all get lumped in as one? I've always thought and still believe that the rangers support is a very broad religious make up of protestant, catholic (there are some), Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, atheists and agnostics, certainly more so than the side from the east end who seem to operate a hive mentality

When it comes to the current situation though the whole support is demonised as religiously motivated, when I strongly suspect that's not the case, and it suits a media agenda set by whom im not so sure (although I can guess)

I think it makes it easier for the media to label us sectarian if the polarise opinion and cause the assumption that every single supporter is a religious nut job (you are a rangers fan therefore you are a protestant therefore you hate catholics - I don't think they're mutually exclusive)

It's a strange country.

Sorry for that long post I've not even started drinking yet (perhaps I should!)
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One of the best posts I've read on here. Very well said sir.
 
Blu_ultra said:
I am a staunch Athiest. The actions of the last week 100% confirm my views of religion as divisive and intolerant. Also....God. come on, embrace the truth.
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Genuine question about athieism mate.
Was out bowling recently and the Minnesota Athiest Society were having a meeting in the bar area. T shirts and ball caps on the whole 9 yards. Is that normal to have a society and hold meetings about something you don’t believe in ? Just curious.
To be honest I kinda lean that way but maybe a little Pagan perhaps.
Moon Phase Save The Queen Loyal
 
Eckhailitchenko said:
Genuine question about athieism mate.
Was out bowling recently and the Minnesota Athiest Society were having a meeting in the bar area. T shirts and ball caps on the whole 9 yards. Is that normal to have a society and hold meetings about something you don’t believe in ? Just curious.
To be honest I kinda lean that way but maybe a little Pagan perhaps.
Moon Phase Save The Queen Loyal
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Ha, I'm not 100% sure to be honest. I preach my brand of atheism on football websites.
 
Very few traditional church going protestants left in Scotland it's more a cultural generational thing nowadays.
 
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Eckhailitchenko said:
Genuine question about athieism mate.
Was out bowling recently and the Minnesota Athiest Society were having a meeting in the bar area. T shirts and ball caps on the whole 9 yards. Is that normal to have a society and hold meetings about something you don’t believe in ? Just curious.
To be honest I kinda lean that way but maybe a little Pagan perhaps.
Moon Phase Save The Queen Loyal
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You mean they were PROTESTING? ;)
 
Mr Snuffleupagus said:
Christmas is largely a commercial celebration, devoid of any 'culture'. To answer your question, no, I refute it's possible to be 'culturally Christian' whilst being an atheist. Christmas is now about commercialism and profit, the very thing Christ abhorred, so what part of 'Christian culture' does that celebrate? I buy my kids Christmas presents because they know it's Christmas, and Christ and religion are never mentioned; it never enters our 'culture'. My kids think Father Christmas invented Christmas. It isn't a cultural celebration.

Everybody needs to be honest themselves. Why are some so keen to keep these labels, when they have rejected religious belief? What purpose does it serve? I think it's intellectually dishonest. If it gives them a sense of self, fair enough, but I say they no longer need to cling to it.
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Christmas and Easter are celebrated by society, on the main not because of religion, but because of a Christian culture - yes it’s now complete commercialism but it’s also culture/tradition. At one time they were celebrated for the real true reasons. Now they’re not, but they remain and are still celebrated by most. That’s exactly the point we’re making. Tradition is in part customs being passed on generation to generation. Customs form Culture.

I accept many do cling on to the Protestant and Catholic labels because they feel they need to be one or other, particularly in the WoS, and are attaching themselves to it for the sake of tribalism or simply an apparent dislike for the other, but it’s also clearly possible to follow a Protestant/Catholic culture without following that religion. I don’t mean to be direct but I do not see how that can be argued against in a literal sense.
 
Not even remotely religious. Genuinely don't know a single person my age that is a church go-er (whether that be catholic or protestant) and only one or two who i know have said they believe in god, that includes people who went to a catholic school.

Religion will pretty much completely die out in this country with my generation i reckon
 
YoungGer97 said:
Not even remotely religious. Genuinely don't know a single person my age that is a church go-er (whether that be catholic or protestant) and only one or two who i know have said they believe in god, that includes people who went to a catholic school.

Religion will pretty much completely die out in this country with my generation i reckon
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Apart from Muslims. Who will control us.
 
Raised Protestant, and glad i was, as it gave me the freedom to think openly about things. The level of indoctrination by some religions is frightening, and equals nothing more than brainwashing.
I fell away from the CofS for a variety of reasons. Some were of my own volition, and some were as a result of the church itself.
These days, there is only one belief that I hold fairly strongly. I found this belief partially through science, and partially through learning of other cultures and beliefs that made sense to me. That is to say that life after death is real. Not in the way that the church believes, ie: you’re a good human being and you spend eternity in heaven, or if bad, go to hell, but the belief that in some form, the electricity that controls our very existence (as proven by science) continues to exist after it leaves our bodies. Exactly what happens to it, i can’t say for certain, but the most logical likelihood is, it helps maintain life in another body.
Near death experience accounts, as well as past life regression accounts point towards human life in another form. Whilst that evidence may not be considered to be compelling in terms of science, it is the one that makes the most sense from what science is able to tell us.

I also believe there are people on this earth who know the real truth of our existence, but try to keep it from the masses, and use religion as a way to keep us all under control. That of course is slightly off topic, and perhaps worth a thread of its own.
 
I'm a profound agnostic as far as organised religion is concerned. I'm totally uninterested in if there was a creator of the Universe or not. My parents are solid presbyterians and I am extremely lucky to be born in this country at this particular time. I'm neither an Orangeman nor a mason and have no intention of changing that.
 
GREGRFC said:
Christmas and Easter are celebrated by society, on the main not because of religion, but because of a Christian culture - yes it’s now complete commercialism but it’s also culture/tradition. At one time they were celebrated for the real true reasons. Now they’re not, but they remain and are still celebrated by most. That’s exactly the point we’re making. Tradition is in part customs being passed on generation to generation. Customs form Culture.

I accept many do cling on to the Protestant and Catholic labels because they feel they need to be one or other, particularly in the WoS, and are attaching themselves to it for the sake of tribalism or simply an apparent dislike for the other, but it’s also clearly possible to follow a Protestant/Catholic culture without following that religion. I don’t mean to be direct but I do not see how that can be argued against in a literal sense.
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If it were 'cultural Christianity' people would uphold Christian teaching without accepting the divine nature of Christ. But the Christmas we have today is neither one nor the other; it's purely commercial, devoid of all 'culture'.

The point I'm making is that what you call 'cultural Christianity' is no such thing. I believe it's nothing more than a tribal marker; a get out clause for non-believers to differentiate themselves from other sects. It has no intellectual underpinning nor is a positive vision of what it means given; being a 'cultural Protestant' is just a means of saying 'I'm not Catholic', and vice-versa. I distrust anyone who uses these terms. That's my view.
 
Fox & Hounds said:
You do know how many Muslims are now in this country ? And you call me a sill C u n t. Ok then.
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I didn't call you a sill Cúnt (whatever that may be), but since you did, I'll echo it.

You do know how many Muslims there are in the world? You do know they don't care what religion (or not) the kafir is?
 
Doctor Robert said:
Raised Protestant, and glad i was, as it gave me the freedom to think openly about things. The level of indoctrination by some religions is frightening, and equals nothing more than brainwashing.
I fell away from the CofS for a variety of reasons. Some were of my own volition, and some were as a result of the church itself.
These days, there is only one belief that I hold fairly strongly. I found this belief partially through science, and partially through learning of other cultures and beliefs that made sense to me. That is to say that life after death is real. Not in the way that the church believes, ie: you’re a good human being and you spend eternity in heaven, or if bad, go to hell, but the belief that in some form, the electricity that controls our very existence (as proven by science) continues to exist after it leaves our bodies. Exactly what happens to it, i can’t say for certain, but the most logical likelihood is, it helps maintain life in another body.
Near death experience accounts, as well as past life regression accounts point towards human life in another form. Whilst that evidence may not be considered to be compelling in terms of science, it is the one that makes the most sense from what science is able to tell us.

I also believe there are people on this earth who know the real truth of our existence, but try to keep it from the masses, and use religion as a way to keep us all under control. That of course is slightly off topic, and perhaps worth a thread of its own.
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Doc. Great post.

When we get 55 sing a song mate,
 
Fox & Hounds said:
You should look in the mirror. Cause a stupid person would be looking right back at ya!
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For the record, if you'd had any level of comprehension, you'd have noticed that it was your argument i said was stupid, not you, but if you want to continue with the ad hominem then I'm quite happy to insult you too.
 
Grimsdale said:
When Protestantism broke the shackles of the Catholic Church it brought with it a freedom and lifestyle we now currently enjoy whether you go to church or not. We are a Protestant country. Look at Ireland which has been in the grip of the church for years and is only now wriggling free. Religion is a plight where many have suffered but the sacrifices made by our forefathers to rid ourselves of the Catholic Church should never be underestimated.
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Absolutely agree with this.
I married a Catholic and I have many Catholic friends but the difference in schooling and church oppression is marked.
As a kid in the rural North Riding of Yorkshire our village Vicar was a Gentleman in every sense of the word.
Compare and contrast with the crazy priest who totally lost it when I wouldn't sign the bit of paper agreeing to any children being Catholic.
 
Mr Snuffleupagus said:
If it were 'cultural Christianity' people would uphold Christian teaching without accepting the divine nature of Christ. But the Christmas we have today is neither one nor the other; it's purely commercial, devoid of all 'culture'.

The point I'm making is that what you call 'cultural Christianity' is no such thing. I believe it's nothing more than a tribal marker; a get out clause for non-believers to differentiate themselves from other sects. It has no intellectual underpinning nor is a positive vision of what it means given; being a 'cultural Protestant' is just a means of saying 'I'm not Catholic', and vice-versa. I distrust anyone who uses these terms. That's my view.
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I think your point relates more closely with why people feel the need to say they are 'culturally Protestant' and I think it's a good point and one that's certainly relevant in Scotland. My point specifically relates to the possibility of people enjoying/following a culture with a religious foundation.

I've enjoyed this discussion.
 
GREGRFC said:
I think your point relates more closely with why people feel the need to say they are 'culturally Protestant' and I think it's a good point and one that's certainly relevant in Scotland. My point specifically relates to the possibility of people enjoying/following a culture with a religious foundation.

I've enjoyed this discussion.
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I don't understand how anyone who believes in Enlightenment values of logic, empiricism, rationalism, science, can say they also believe in a supernatural power.

There are posts in this thread claiming that Protestantism means free thinking! No it doesn't; it demands a belief in miracles, life after the death, God as man etc. It's totally at odds with a scientific, evidence based approach to life. It's a dogmatic ideology: believe in this or go to hell.

All religion demands obedience to what it calls The Truth, though it lacks any evidence. That isn't free thinking. If that's how someone wants to live, fine, but don't try to tell me it's the path to independent thought.
 
Mr Snuffleupagus said:
I don't understand how anyone who believes in Enlightenment values of logic, empiricism, rationalism, science, can say they also believe in a supernatural power.

There are posts in this thread claiming that Protestantism means free thinking! No it doesn't; it demands a belief in miracles, life after the death, God as man etc. It's totally at odds with a scientific, evidence based approach to life. It's a dogmatic ideology: believe in this or go to hell.

All religion demands obedience to what it calls The Truth, though it lacks any evidence. That isn't free thinking. If that's how someone wants to live, fine, but don't try to tell me it's the path to independent thought.
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Those are points for the people who made them to defend.

One point I struggle with is the one where many say that if you follow a religion or believe in a God you must be stupid or not playing with the full deck. I think that's an arrogant view point.

As above, enjoyable chat. I'm off to watch the boxing.
 
millar2318 said:
Like, a card carrying full on member of the church of Scotland with a belief in a Christian god? I know there will be many on the forum, but hear me out.

For me (an agnostic in all honesty), I don't consider myself to have a faith. Yea my birth certificate will say church of Scotland at the behest of my parents, but I've not entered a church (bar weddings etc) since I was 5, and I went to a non denominational school, despite some attempts to call these 'proddie schools' in my youth.

Indeed, it would seem that because im white and not a catholic, the default in Scotland is to assume I am therefore a protestant. I've always found that strange, especially where football is concerned, as it tends to simplify the debate and the narrative.

I don't hate Catholics, I've got friends, I have family, I've had lovers, that are catholic. I don't really like Celtic though, the football club. I don't like them not because they're catholic, but because im a rangers fan. I've been indoctrinated a rangers fan, but that's ok, because it is only football, its never been protestant v catholic for me, it's just been about MY football team.

So why do we all get lumped in as one? I've always thought and still believe that the rangers support is a very broad religious make up of protestant, catholic (there are some), Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, atheists and agnostics, certainly more so than the side from the east end who seem to operate a hive mentality

When it comes to the current situation though the whole support is demonised as religiously motivated, when I strongly suspect that's not the case, and it suits a media agenda set by whom im not so sure (although I can guess)

I think it makes it easier for the media to label us sectarian if the polarise opinion and cause the assumption that every single supporter is a religious nut job (you are a rangers fan therefore you are a protestant therefore you hate catholics - I don't think they're mutually exclusive)

It's a strange country.

Sorry for that long post I've not even started drinking yet (perhaps I should!)
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Absolutely outstanding post
 
I am an atheist, I detest the Catholic Church and it’s teachings, I have absolutely no beef with the ordinary man on the street catholic, I frequently get into debate with Christians on their beliefs and the hypocrisy of their leaders and also the horrific record of the church on abuse, lies, rape, murder for centuries and still goes on today, even two days ago we had the pope blame pedophile priests on the devil, a backward morally corrupt heinous individual lying to those he controls. Yet when I ask people who don’t go to church what religion they are, they immediately identify as catholic, when I press them further they struggle to explain why they are catholic, but are adamant they are.

The reformation allowed me this freedom of thought and is what has sculpted my views, Protestantism made Scotland a place of enlightenment and tempted academics from around the world to come and learn, it put us at the head of the empire during the industrial revolution and created all the good things that the current government uses as reasons for independence, it’s my opinion that the Catholic Church is still smarting from the reformation and holds Scotland in contempt because of it and is doing all it can to drag my old country back into the dark days of being fully controlled by Rome.

If people want religion then teach it in the home, take it out of the classroom or pay for the privilege to send your kids to a faith school or better still, leave the child to decide if they want to believe about a mythical sky fairy when they are old enough to decide for themselves.
 
GREGRFC said:
Those are points for the people who made them to defend.

One point I struggle with is the one where many say that if you follow a religion or believe in a God you must be stupid or not playing with the full deck. I think that's an arrogant view point.

As above, enjoyable chat. I'm off to watch the boxing.
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That's fair enough, but there we must part company. For the life of me, I can't understand a belief in supernatural beings: Gods, ghosts, vampire, or anything of that ilk. To me there is no rational reason for all this stuff. It's fine as story and film, but not to be taken literally; and then for people to be arguing about it centuries later? It's just bizarre.
 
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