StokeyBear
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In what sense did the UB give up supporting their team vs Aberdeen? Could have sworn they sat and watched the game exactly the same as everyone else did in the stadium?
"Ibrox" without the unionbears
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In what sense did the UB give up supporting their team vs Aberdeen? Could have sworn they sat and watched the game exactly the same as everyone else did in the stadium?
Buffalo
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Ok, I will indulge you.
First off a few seasons ago it was the copland front they wanted to move to, now its BF3.
What has changed? Nearer the tims?
What happens when they decide wait we would rather GF3, we shuffle about fans every couple of years?
What happens to the folk in BF3 who haven't been consulted and are told right up and move the UB's want your seats.
How will moving from BF1 to BF3 actually improve the atmosphere?
Will the other 48k suddenly start creating an atmosphere?
How come the atmosphere at certain games is electric when the UB's are in BF1? So it isn't the location?
What about before the UB's, CL nights, other games the atmosphere has been electric, so it isn't all down to the UBS?
Don't the UB's all get group tickets for away games to make sure they are all in the same section?
Don't they get in early to do all the wonderful displays?
I have spent near on £2k this year straight into Rangers pockets, see next season I want for Instance CR2 Row G Seat 56, can I just tell the club this person should make way because I have spent that amount of money this season, I mean what am I getting back for it, what perks am I getting? None, and I don't want or ask or try to force through any because we are all the same, UB, Non UB, OAP or fucking Champagne Loyal, we are all bears who are the same, none better and none less well off, we are the same.
Do the club take the fans for granted? Yes, but not just the UB's , they take every single one of us for granted.
Do you really think throwing the toys out the pram is going to make the board take them seriously?
Maybe if they acted like adults, took the views of the support, canvassed the fans in BF3, Got a consensus then went to the board with a proper and professional outlook they would be taken more seriously by the board.
By having a protest against the club or was I mistaken ?
It's simple:
board commits to safe standing and selects area - for me Copland Front but negotiable - and allows UB to recruit. In return board, SLO, Club 1872 AND a random selection of fans get to meet them and plead the case for screwing the nut, i.e. "If you do a 'we hate catholics' song again you're on your own. no-one supports that...". They agree to do x,y and z in return for the new ultra section. They do NOT get 'final say' or 'control' over the area or its output.
Surely everyone wins there?
board commits to safe standing and selects area - for me Copland Front but negotiable - and allows UB to recruit. In return board, SLO, Club 1872 AND a random selection of fans get to meet them and plead the case for screwing the nut, i.e. "If you do a 'we hate catholics' song again you're on your own. no-one supports that...". They agree to do x,y and z in return for the new ultra section. They do NOT get 'final say' or 'control' over the area or its output.
Surely everyone wins there?
They all went, and watched the game...NO fan is forced to sing, it's not part of s/ticket small print.
StokeyBear
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They were still supporting rangers the same way everyone else does in the stadium, sitting in silence.
The UB aren't paid by the club, if they don't want to sing they don't have to. Same as everyone else in the stadium.
Southside_shug
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The levels of self deprecation on this thread are minimal
The Submariner
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The matchday experience has been brutal for the last 20 years
Sir Walter
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They didn’t support the team any less than the other 48k bears or so in attendance so what’s your point here?
MunroLoyal
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How did the protest?
Much longer than that.
The truth is most league games against lesser sides are unlikely to create a crackling atmosphere. As far back as I can remember the atmosphere has been best at
top: games v paedo harbourers
2nd: big european nights / cup finals
3rd: big cup ties or big league matches v contenders (normally sheep, HIV's, Hearts, maybe Dundee HIV's back in the day before they reverted to diddy club status)
The rest of the matches we played the atmosphere was 100% determined by what happens on the pitch. For example, the 5-0 cup tie v Killie had a really decent atmosphere, because we were winning handily. If t had been a 0-0 or a 0-1, it would have been very different
MSF
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They did though and said it along with encouraging others not to support the team.
Buffalo
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Appreciate the reply and answers, some things I really didn't know such as the club kyboshing the CF move, was also under the impression re Away tickets so again good to be put straight on it.
I stand by Euro Nights and OF games in terms of atmosphere being as good with them in BF1, Which leads onto my belief that moving to BF3 will make no difference to the run of the mill games (vast majority).
If you are correct re the fans being consulted, and if the majority agreed then the club of course should look at the move and agree, but I stress only if a majority agree to the move (not UB, but the BF3 Faction), your point about a package/money off etc isn't really relevant just now as that would have to come from the club and just now the club are saying No so we can't say this would happen, I doubt it would tbh, If there was a consultation it would be will you move or not, IMO if a high majority, maybe 3/4 say Yes then great, UBs go into BF3 and the current guys either stay or relocate.
Your point about them working in the background and canvassing fans isn't that for Standing Section which is different to what they are protesting about?
As I say, thanks for the reply appreciate it.
bear wi nae hair
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Whilst I realise you’re trying to be clever I sing at every game. Do I give it more against them or a big exciting Euro night? Yes I do. But I don’t sit in silence against anyone. Tens of thousands choose to do that and yet they’re giving it yeeha against the paedos. I can’t understand that.
I’ve been on buses before where it’s a fucking riot. I’m sure many buses are the same. So are some of the pubs before the game. Then folk enter Ibrox and don’t sing a note.
It’s mental. And it badly affects the team, especially when the only time many want to make a noise is to moan and groan and shout abuse
I like the UB's and think that the idea should be spread to other areas of the stadium. I know they are young, but they are great bears.
Buffalo
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Tbf that happens all over the UK and won't change.
I do it, I sing for 90 vs the tims, I sing for 90mins at Away games, give it laldy at away games.
Games at home vs Dundee, Killie, Hamilton I don't , the games don't have the same intensity, I will be honest here and in these games I go and expect the team to entertain me and make me get out my seat.
Not every fan goes to give it laldy for 90mins, I doff my cap to the boys that can and do, but we are all different, it is actually the minority that do and it will always be the case, it is just the way Rangers, Scottish and indeed UK football is.
The guy who leads them never watches the game. I thought when they had protest maybe but stands with back to game talking to pals. That baffles me.
MFJ1872
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And you watch him for 90 minutes.
songsofglory
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Rangers board do not care one single jot about what young fans want.
"Shut up and pay your money" to be honest, the total hypocrisy and lack of engagement or progress between the board and ALL fans is making me disillusioned with the way they are taking the club.
The youth are the future. The youth want a boisterous, lively stadium where the fans are made welcome to support their team. That is not happening and they are being driven away. The board and their attitude towards the fans is doing more damage than the poets winning 10 in a row ever could.
Greg Marshall
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The club is open to engage with any fan and to claim we aren’t engaging is nonesense.
Stewart Robertson literally met with the UB less than a month ago and I’m waiting on them coming back to me to meet.
songsofglory
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I don't think it's nonsense Greg. You can have meetings until your blue in the face, it doesn't mean much when nothing happens. Safe Standing put off and put off, facilities for disabled fans still haven't been improved despite the club admitting themselves it wasn't up to standard. Fans having to put up with absolute rubbish from the police and the media without barely a peep in their defence.
I'm sure meetings do happen, but actions speak louder than words and there has been no improvement in fan engagement between the Murray years and now.
Greg Marshall
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A timeline put in place for safestanding subject to concerns being addressed was progress.
The club implementing a full 3D scan of the standium to identify areas to improve disabled facilities within the stadium without significantly reducing the capacity was progress - when the come to fruition it will make a big difference.
We are constantly in dialogue with the police. Football fans in general feel that we have a hard time and I think as a fanbase that takes so many travelling supporters we can have more issues than most for sure. That will be a continual process.
The media aren’t something deal with directly but across various fronts the club are fighting unfair stories.
The club care.
Grow up he knows what he does and so do we and everyone around us.
Maybe the fans getting behind team might help instead of stupid protests ? Or let’s just make sure everyone makes it harder for team to get results?
songsofglory
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You are a lot closer to it than me Greg and obviously see more of the work they do so I have to take your word for it. However, from the outside looking in, there will be many who agree with me that the club could be far more transparent over all issues. The board just seem so far removed from the fanbase. Surely they must be sitting at Ibrox in the silence thinking to themselves there was more they could do? Ibrox should and has the potential to have a very good atmosphere, but the life in the club and matchdays has almost disappeared. It's absolutely chronic at times.
I don't doubt that the board care about the club itself, but it certainly doesn't appear that they care about your rank and file supporter, even more so when you consider how they came to power.
songsofglory
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The UB have supported the team everywhere home and away as have thousand of fans. They feel that they are being treated unfairly and have taken a group decision to scale back their vocal support. The 48k other fans in the stadium, the vast majority of the place are not protesting but still remain silent.
The RST planned plenty of protests in their time which were not universally supported but felt as a group and body they had to make a stand for change. The UB is doing this on a much smaller scale but is getting far more hate for it. Surely the fact that so many people are noticing speaks volumes?
sonofbunk
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There is a bit of a safe standing conundrum here.
The ideal space to trail this would be a corner (like at Parkhead) - however we have 1 given to away fans and the other is used in part for hospitality.
The benefit of a corner (or curve) is that it is less likely to inhibit sightlines.
An other option is BF3 - I think the clubs issue is people standing here will inhibit people in BF 5 or 1 seeing part of the pitch.
Safe standing all BF. Too expensive and no guarantee of that much demand.
Copland Front - see above. Added downside of a number of long term season ticket holders there.
Govan front - will be less of an issue with blocking sightlines. But it is premium retail for season tickets.
Enclosure - better sightlines but out of the view of the camera. And as far as I’m aware a camera gantry in the govan would not have protection from direct sunlight.
The ideal space to trail this would be a corner (like at Parkhead) - however we have 1 given to away fans and the other is used in part for hospitality.
The benefit of a corner (or curve) is that it is less likely to inhibit sightlines.
An other option is BF3 - I think the clubs issue is people standing here will inhibit people in BF 5 or 1 seeing part of the pitch.
Safe standing all BF. Too expensive and no guarantee of that much demand.
Copland Front - see above. Added downside of a number of long term season ticket holders there.
Govan front - will be less of an issue with blocking sightlines. But it is premium retail for season tickets.
Enclosure - better sightlines but out of the view of the camera. And as far as I’m aware a camera gantry in the govan would not have protection from direct sunlight.
Saltcoats_Loyal
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Bit off topic but since your active on this post can you send me your email I’ve a complaint in regards to a Steward/police that I’d like lodged with yourself mate
Saltcoats_Loyal
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Also on the talk of surveys surely the club could send one out to every season ticket holder with the renewal form covering a range of issues, then you would have the actual views of the Support ?
Give me a shout when you get your new seat. I'll be within 1 row and 10 seats of you. Want to start a rival singing section.
Bluebrox
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Fan engagement from the club to the fanbase is pretty much as bad as it ever had been under previous regimes.
Failure to have appointed a proper day to day leader in the form of an actual Chief Executive is doing Dave King no favours at all.
This board are largely silent and invisible. That is an undeniable fact.
This HAS to improve - and quickly!
Failure to have appointed a proper day to day leader in the form of an actual Chief Executive is doing Dave King no favours at all.
This board are largely silent and invisible. That is an undeniable fact.
This HAS to improve - and quickly!
Before I switch off for tonight...
Greg , where was the Rangers statement of disgust at the Aberdeen Scottish cup allocation decision.?
But king can fire a email in support of Steve Clarke within a day ?
Sorry but engagement with fans needs to be properly explained here.
Axelrod
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Doesn’t sound good .
Beege
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We
We've got a couple of those too.
This is guff.
Our official SLO is on a fan forum asking questions and explaining where things are whilst telling people the club have met with the UB and are waiting from them to meet again.
People need to grow up.
steincolin
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Greg the club may engage with fans but do they actually listen? As you know I've been in meetings on behalf of sc and its just like banging our head against a brick wall. It's a case it seems give us your season ticket money everything else doesn't matter.a large section of fans want to stand so the club should Imo be doing all they can to make that happen.the away support get treated like Shyte but again it's like the club don't care about the away support especially supporters clubs as proved with the Aberdeen ticket fiasco. Again all we care about is your season ticket money
It boils down to simplicity for me.
We all want the team to be as successful as possible and the reason we have singing sections is we believe this helps the team.
The UBs want safe standing and a move for one reason - to create a better atmosphere. And one positive output of that - a more successful team.
When i spoke to one of the UBs last week, I tried to explain that silent protests achieve the opposite of what they want and that success on the park is the most important thing. His view was that they are happy to accept short term pain for long term gain - his words.
We got pumped by the sheep.
I’m 100% behind safe standing and them moving. But their way of going about it is misguided, wrong and alienates the very people they need to get on board.
If a silent protest is what they wanted. Pick five minutes a half.
We lost a goal, that’s when the players need the fans. The UBs have set themselves up as the leader of songs etc. The players, the fans and the club needed to come together as one. It didn’t happen.
Bluebrox
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Exactly how I see it.
The club really don't come out of this looking good.
More and more fans I speak with feel distant with this board.
The situation isn't helped by having a Chairman in SA and an MD who seems unable to provide strong leadership day to day in Scotland.
Significant improvements are required. We are seen as a weak, easy target by our haters and enemies. They know they can get away with it as they know we are unlikely and unwilling to hit back.
Surely no one can be happy with that.
Bluebrox
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I agree 100% with the short term pain, long term gain approach. They HAVE to do this. Enough is enough.
Sad that’s all I can say.
MFJ1872
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Grow up? Why does it bother you so much.
Axelrod
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WalterSmith72
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Wether you agree or not with what the UBs have done we are being left behind in Europe in terms of fan experience at games. The Germans and the Dutch do it superb, a very simple start is having your ultra section in a prominent position where they can be seen and grow as a group. The colour and noise the groups create increases the whole match day experience straight away and anyone who has attended German football will agree.
I understand both sides of the argument but rangers total unbudging stance on this is frustrating for me never mind how the union bears must feel. They probably feel this is there last option as they have tried communication for years and got nowhere.
I understand both sides of the argument but rangers total unbudging stance on this is frustrating for me never mind how the union bears must feel. They probably feel this is there last option as they have tried communication for years and got nowhere.
WalterSmith72
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That’s a fair answer if that’s the case. They should be pushing from the summer to get safe standing and that could open the door for the move too as people who would be in the standing section currently might not want to stand.
MSF
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I think if the club were smart they should offer that type of deal.
