Johnno1872
Well-Known Member
It is possible that this is their fall-back position we are seeing, they are massively losing the 'we never knew' and 'separate entity' arguments
To the best of my knowledge, in Scotland at least, an accessory is a person who aids the perpetrator of a crime before or at the time of the crime by providing advice or assistance or who acts in concert by looking out while the crime is committed.Again, to the best of my knowledge any actions after the crime has been committed does not constitute an accessory.No, but if you don't, you become an accessory in that crime.
The true wording is "an accessory to the fact".
In other words, just as guilty as those who commited the crime.
By knowing and not reporting allowing it to continue is an accessory to the crimeTo the best of my knowledge, in Scotland at least, an accessory is a person who aids the perpetrator of a crime before or at the time of the crime by providing advice or assistance or who acts in concert by looking out while the crime is committed.Again, to the best of my knowledge any actions after the crime has been committed does not constitute an accessory.
So covering up or aiding the concealment of a criminal act does not constitute being an accessory .To the best of my knowledge, in Scotland at least, an accessory is a person who aids the perpetrator of a crime before or at the time of the crime by providing advice or assistance or who acts in concert by looking out while the crime is committed.Again, to the best of my knowledge any actions after the crime has been committed does not constitute an accessory.
Definition. An accessory-after-the-fact is someone who assists 1) someone who has committed a crime, 2) after the person has committed the crime, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the crime, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment.
No, but if you don't, you become an accessory in that crime.
The true wording is "an accessory to the fact".
In other words, just as guilty as those who commited the crime.
I think you are getting confused with English law here ML:
Art and part is a term used in Scots law to denote the aiding or abetting in the perpetration of a crime, or being an accessory before or at the perpetration of the crime. There is no such offence recognised in Scotland, as that of being an accessory after the fact.[1]
Under section 293 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995,[2] a person may be convicted of, and punished for, a contravention of any enactment, notwithstanding that he was guilty of such contravention as art and part only.
Agreed. Watch every move they make. Note every comment and who made it.I would suggest the opposite.
Watch them. Watch them VERY carefully.
A truly disgusting radio station, shame on everyone connected to it. To put covering up the crimes at the Pedo Dome, before the victims, is a new low even for Clyde.
Why did you omit the following from your post?
Without prejudice to subsection (1) above or to any express provision in any enactment having the like effect to this subsection, any person who aids, abets, counsels, procures or incites any other person to commit an offence against the provisions of any enactment shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction, unless the enactment otherwise requires, to the same punishment as might be imposed on conviction of the first-mentioned offence.
Do not know if this Guardian article has been highlighted before. All I can say is a grateful thanks to my ancestors for being part the reformation. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-church-failure-child-abuse-scandals-vatican
The point though is Celtic's apologists are making out they did nothing wrong 'legally' by not reporting the abuse. That is ridiculous.
As far as I know there is no legal requirement to report, but it's a morale code to follow as every adult should safeguard children. Most employers will have a child protection policy to promote staff report concerns.
Regardless of the fact I agree, the tweet in the OP is callous and dismissive in tone, which is horrendous.
I worked as a Child Protection Caseworker for the ACT Government in Australia. We did training on mandatory reporting but I never came across a case where anyone was prosecuted for not reporting. It just seems obvious to me that any decent person would report, mandated or not. Celtic's history in this regard is "shameful" to quote Andy Walker, though he was referring to our use of EBTs.
I worked as a Child Protection Caseworker for the ACT Government in Australia. We did training on mandatory reporting but I never came across a case where anyone was prosecuted for not reporting. It just seems obvious to me that any decent person would report, mandated or not. Celtic's history in this regard is "shameful" to quote Andy Walker, though he was referring to our use of EBTs.
Don,t think that this would app,y to Clyde.the crime is already known and out in the open.as far as we know radio Clyde played no part in the crime or witnessed the crime .what they are doing is morally wrong but not a criminal act in its self.Not reporting it is aiding that person/persons to avoid arrest or punishment.
Exactly. Too many have fallen for the hype fro Hellicom and RC. Covered up and encouraged to flourish.This is NOT a failure to report. We need to realise this is a 4 decade long WILLFULLY CONTRIVED COVER UP BACKED FULLY BY CELTC AND THE ESTABLISHMENT!
Sorry for shouting mate.
I think you are getting confused with English law here ML:
Art and part is a term used in Scots law to denote the aiding or abetting in the perpetration of a crime, or being an accessory before or at the perpetration of the crime. There is no such offence recognised in Scotland, as that of being an accessory after the fact.[1]
Under section 293 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995,[2] a person may be convicted of, and punished for, a contravention of any enactment, notwithstanding that he was guilty of such contravention as art and part only.
Have you came across many cases when a sporting corporation actively covered up hundreds of cases of sickening child abuse .I worked as a Child Protection Caseworker for the ACT Government in Australia. We did training on mandatory reporting but I never came across a case where anyone was prosecuted for not reporting. It just seems obvious to me that any decent person would report, mandated or not. Celtic's history in this regard is "shameful" to quote Andy Walker, though he was referring to our use of EBTs.
Get real. They report about every topic under the sun. It's a paper, not a govt body, they can't give 10K to combat every evil every time they write about it. Who should they give it to? How much have You given?Right at the very bottom of that piece is the sentence “support the Guardian from as little as £1 which is prequaled by the following
“The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart”............
oh really? that’s interesting but maybe even more applicable is this
“And unlike many news organisations, we have chosen an approach that allows us to keep our journalism accessible to all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford. But we need your ongoing support to keep working as we do.
Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions.”
Just a suggestion here but what about a £10,000 donation from the fighting fund to point their intentions towards the biggest scandal in world sport with the intention of seeing just how serious they are?
This more likeOpens your eyes to the festering cesspit Scotland is .
Conflict of interest loyal!
grabbed before they delete
Exactly. Celtic acted in full knowledge of what was going on, they re employed a known paedo and further kids were sexually abused. They are as guilty as those who committed the heinous acts.Exactly. Too many have fallen for the hype fro Hellicom and RC. Covered up and encouraged to flourish.
Get real. They report about every topic under the sun. It's a paper, not a govt body, they can't give 10K to combat every evil every time they write about it. Who should they give it to? How much have You given?
I just thought it was a bit absurd to suggest that every topic the paper covers, be it sex abuse in the catholic church, or the homeless or the environment, or malaria, they should give a 10K donation to the cause. It's a newspaper ffs. But I respect you if you've given cash and time to highlight the deviancy at cfc.Have given plenty, both time and money but thanks for asking. Yourself ? Just curious here but since you believe it’s unreal to suggest we test the integrity of a publication who openly profess to tackle issues that others won’t, I take it you’ve got something constructive to offer ?
I just thought it was a bit absurd to suggest that every topic the paper covers, be it sex abuse in the catholic church, or the homeless or the environment, or malaria, they should give a 10K donation to the cause. It's a newspaper ffs. But I respect you if you've given cash and time to highlight the deviancy at cfc.
I'm sorry - I misread your post! My "senior moments" are becoming more frequent nowadays . . . .We’re at cross wires here.
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Somebody on the thread posted the article in the guardian. What caught my eye was the paper’s appeal for funding to continue independent investigative journalism ( you know that rare commodity that doesn’t seem to exist in Scotland) anyway I’ve read back my previous post now and could have made it clearer but I was suggesting WE made a donation from our Rangers fighting fund with the sole aim for them to probe the elephant in the room up here.
I'm sorry - I misread your post! My "senior moments" are becoming more frequent nowadays . . . .
Right at the very bottom of that piece is the sentence “support the Guardian from as little as £1 which is prequaled by the following
“The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart”............
oh really? that’s interesting but maybe even more applicable is this
“And unlike many news organisations, we have chosen an approach that allows us to keep our journalism accessible to all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford. But we need your ongoing support to keep working as we do.
Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions.”
Just a suggestion here but what about a £10,000 donation from the fighting fund to point their intentions towards the biggest scandal in world sport with the intention of seeing just how serious they are?
This is NOT a failure to report. We need to realise this is a 4 decade long WILLFULLY CONTRIVED COVER UP BACKED FULLY BY CELTC AND THE ESTABLISHMENT!
Sorry for shouting mate.
I agree but the point we're discussing is Celtic's claim that there is no legal requirement to report. They are deliberately moving the goal posts.
Two points.
First they are guilty of a lot more than not reporting, as you rightly point out.
Secondly. They had a moral obligation to report.