Just for clarification, Thompson solicitors have no obligation to society as a whole. They only have a responsibility for doing the best financially for their clients. If that means settlement out of court and NDAs, then that is what they will recommend to their clients. I am not saying that this will happen, I am merely restating the obvious.
I believe that they are no win no fee, so bucks is their bottom line. They have no other agenda.
Taking a payout while not getting full closure and help recovering from this is detrimental to the victims it could potentially cause far greater problems, I am hoping the lawyers write in that assistance by top qualified people for recovery and NDAs are off the table altogether they help no one aside from perpetrators involved in dark deeds.
Sorry mate, but you are in no way qualified to say that at all (Actually, if you are a victim, I will fully retract that)
You and I want a public level of justice but a victim (and it has happened millions of times as proof of this) may well feel that not having to stand in the dock and recount their darkest moments in full glare of the public while receiving a sum of money that will make a tangible difference to their life might be the better option. Out of court settlements happen absolutely all the time and for that reason (well, partly that reason) so it is grossly unfair of you to place your own feelings ahead of the victim's feelings, as understandable and frustrating as that may be.
IF it is true that the solicitors are trying to negotiate a settlement that includes NDAs then it is worrying in so far as beyond financial penalties, the facilitators of widespread sexual abuse (and that is exactly what anyone who knew and failed to act is, a facilitator of child abuse) will walk away from it Scott free, not even reputational damage to individuals who most certainly deserve it.
While I understand that (edit to add 'some of') the survivors may well see themselves as better served by signing and walking away with cash, society as a whole would suffer significantly and while I am in no way qualified to even begin to try and tell victims of these animals how they should act, I personally feel that the solicitors involved have a moral duty to seek justice far and away above simply financial penalties.
Admin, please delete this post if not appropriate for this thread but I feel it is pertinent to the overall perspective that opinions and law are hardening to the perpetrators of child sexual abuse.
News just in from down here in Australia.
Cardinal George Pell’s six year jail sentence for child sexual abuse convictions will be upheld after his appeal at Victoria’s Court of Appeal was dismissed.
The decision was delivered at the Court of Appeal on Wednesday morning by Chief Justice Anne Ferguson in front of a packed court room.
The appeal was rejected in a two to one majority decision, with Justice Ferguson and Justice Chris Maxwell voting to reject the appeal.
Justice Mark Weinberg opposed their decision, saying the convictions could not stand due to the evidence presented in Cardinal Pell’s defence, Justice Ferguson said.
Cardinal Pell, 78, was convicted in December of five charges over the rape of one 13-year-old choirboy and sexual assault of another at St Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne in 1996.
He was sentenced in March to six years in prison, to serve three years and eight months before becoming eligible for parole.
There is more to the article but ending it here.
Not a victim mate but know enough folk who have been through bad situations and ended up in a bad way through getting cash and no other support either caused by drink or drugs used to numb themselves.Sorry mate, but you are in no way qualified to say that at all (Actually, if you are a victim, I will fully retract that)
You and I want a public level of justice but a victim (and it has happened millions of times as proof of this) may well feel that not having to stand in the dock and recount their darkest moments in full glare of the public while receiving a sum of money that will make a tangible difference to their life might be the better option. Out of court settlements happen absolutely all the time and for that reason (well, partly that reason) so it is grossly unfair of you to place your own feelings ahead of the victim's feelings, as understandable and frustrating as that may be.
IF it is true that the solicitors are trying to negotiate a settlement that includes NDAs then it is worrying in so far as beyond financial penalties, the facilitators of widespread sexual abuse (and that is exactly what anyone who knew and failed to act is, a facilitator of child abuse) will walk away from it Scott free, not even reputational damage to individuals who most certainly deserve it.
While I understand that (edit to add 'some of') the survivors may well see themselves as better served by signing and walking away with cash, society as a whole would suffer significantly and while I am in no way qualified to even begin to try and tell victims of these animals how they should act, I personally feel that the solicitors involved have a moral duty to seek justice far and away above simply financial penalties.
Not all survivors will take the settlement - hopefully someone takes them all the way, even those who do take the settlement deserve the closure of an apology, and an inquiry.Sorry mate, but you are in no way qualified to say that at all (Actually, if you are a victim, I will fully retract that)
You and I want a public level of justice but a victim (and it has happened millions of times as proof of this) may well feel that not having to stand in the dock and recount their darkest moments in full glare of the public while receiving a sum of money that will make a tangible difference to their life might be the better option. Out of court settlements happen absolutely all the time and for that reason (well, partly that reason) so it is grossly unfair of you to place your own feelings ahead of the victim's feelings, as understandable and frustrating as that may be.
IF it is true that the solicitors are trying to negotiate a settlement that includes NDAs then it is worrying in so far as beyond financial penalties, the facilitators of widespread sexual abuse (and that is exactly what anyone who knew and failed to act is, a facilitator of child abuse) will walk away from it Scott free, not even reputational damage to individuals who most certainly deserve it.
While I understand that (edit to add 'some of') the survivors may well see themselves as better served by signing and walking away with cash, society as a whole would suffer significantly and while I am in no way qualified to even begin to try and tell victims of these animals how they should act, I personally feel that the solicitors involved have a moral duty to seek justice far and away above simply financial penalties.
I think the speaker is deeply disturbed and beyond help.This is disturbing viewing. From an American Catholic lawyer explaining how the RC church tries to corrupt trials involving child abuse in the USA.
In an ideal world it would only take one brave soul (and I firmly believe that there will be more) to go through court procedures and set a precedent so many more wouldn't have to. In no way shape or form should NDAs be approved as it again is being used to belittle the victims they should be allowed to have their say on ANY platform of their choosing as it will gain them massive amounts of support and aid in the healing process the world has to know how deep this goes and in my opinion the ONLY people qualified to do this are the victims and their families, for the good of society.First of all we each have our own opinions as to what the victims might feel constitutes justice and all of those opinions have a degree of legitimacy. I doubt very much that anyone is conciously expressing views intended to somehow undermine the emotions of victims or the legitimacy and robustness of their cases. It contributes very little to throw such accusations around.
Personally, I take the view that pressurising victims to sign NDA's in return for a financial settlement would be both immoral and unethical. You are right to suggest some victims may nevertheless be happy with this as an outcome, however, the evidence suggests otherwise as several survivors of abuse in England have made clear from their public statements. In the case of Celtic the systematic cover-up must have worsened the ordeal for many victims. I would be surprised if they don't feel they were effectively gagged by the decades-long denials, and they probably can't wait for the day they can speak out free of the threat of accusations of 'fantasy' or lying. I would imagine for many victims being able to talk about their ordeal will be a crucial element of the recovery process and for these reasons I prefer to ignore 'rumours' as to what Thompson's have or have not done. I suspect the rumours are unfounded not least because of the risk to the legal firms reputation were such a strategy ever to become public knowledge. This is not to suggest I don't have suspicions about their handling of events, suspicions that are heightened by their apparent willingness to allow Celtic to accuse them of defamation and to let that accusation go unchallenged.
Seems celtic are following the blueprint, the auld guy looks genuinely shook and there are a lot of uncomfortable faces listening.I think the speaker is deeply disturbed and beyond help.
Bluster from Celtc, if Thompson's had said anything defamatory, they would at least have been made to make a public retraction and an apology. Celtc are in effect letting the accusation go unchallenged... I suspect the rumours are unfounded not least because of the risk to the legal firms reputation were such a strategy ever to become public knowledge. This is not to suggest I don't have suspicions about their handling of events, suspicions that are heightened by their apparent willingness to allow Celtic to accuse them of defamation and to let that accusation go unchallenged.
For myself I can't demand that a victim stands up in a witness box and tells the whole world his most inner secrets, stuff that he has hidden from, family and friends, these are men now, and I can only say that will be one of the biggest choices they will ever make, in their life time, I will respect that choice, no matter what they do, we must remember at all times, the survivors are our first and last concern always.
In an ideal world it would only take one brave soul (and I firmly believe that there will be more) to go through court procedures and set a precedent so many more wouldn't have to. In no way shape or form should NDAs be approved as it again is being used to belittle the victims they should be allowed to have their say on ANY platform of their choosing as it will gain them massive amounts of support and aid in the healing process the world has to know how deep this goes and in my opinion the ONLY people qualified to do this are the victims and their families, for the good of society.
Exactly I think you are bang on with the weapon part mate but I honestly wouldn't put it past them, not many people are clued up in Legalese and many could potentially feel threatened into silence in the self same way the R.C cult used a bastardised form salvation.An NDA is absolutely worthless. Does anyone genuinely think that because a victim when they were a child / their parent signed a bit of paper saying that they admonished Celtic / accepted compensation under the table for child abuse has any worth in the court of law? If anything, an NDA makes their case stronger.
Can you imagine Celtic’s defence, “yeah but we had an NDA” “case dismissed!”?
It is lunacy to think any NDA is worth anything to Celtic other than it being a psychological weapon.
Totally agree! NDAs serve one purpose and that is silence, these bastards have got away with this for so long because of silence by the vile sleazebags in Celtics board.In an ideal world it would only take one brave soul (and I firmly believe that there will be more) to go through court procedures and set a precedent so many more wouldn't have to. In no way shape or form should NDAs be approved as it again is being used to belittle the victims they should be allowed to have their say on ANY platform of their choosing as it will gain them massive amounts of support and aid in the healing process the world has to know how deep this goes and in my opinion the ONLY people qualified to do this are the victims and their families, for the good of society.
Goes right to the very top in that cult.Not to get away from the good work that people are doing in trying to help victims get some real justice I was just thinking, how many of these perverts would have or had wives or female partners ?
Statistics could well prove something in this respect, I also wonder what the wives of these directors and players think about their partners covering up these crimes, surely some of them would have knowledge of it? And surely they wouldn't as mothers themselves, allow this to go on unchallenged.Similarities to scurrilous accusations and the CFC? CBC cover up in this video.
Totally agree! NDAs serve one purpose and that is silence, these bastards have got away with this for so long because of silence by the vile sleazebags in Celtics board.
And keep our respected good name untarnished too Peter !“What can I do to help tidy up this awful mess Pedro”
If they do that , does that mean their history begins from the name change ? as in they didne’ win the Big Wan’ in ’67 then ? …..let the implosion begin then !Pacific Shelf?!
I don't get what you mean. What did he say for you to think that.I listened to all of that and the guy was very coherent, very clear and concise, and straight forward talking.I think the speaker is deeply disturbed and beyond help.
The guy absolutely hammered the Catholic Church in his speech. Maybe that's his issue, who knows.I don't get what you mean. What did he say for you to think that.I listened to all of that and the guy was very coherent, very clear and concise, and straight forward talking.
First of all we each have our own opinions as to what the victims might feel constitutes justice and all of those opinions have a degree of legitimacy. I doubt very much that anyone is conciously expressing views intended to somehow undermine the emotions of victims or the legitimacy and robustness of their cases. It contributes very little to throw such accusations around.
Personally, I take the view that pressurising victims to sign NDA's in return for a financial settlement would be both immoral and unethical. You are right to suggest some victims may nevertheless be happy with this as an outcome, however, the evidence suggests otherwise as several survivors of abuse in England have made clear from their public statements. In the case of Celtic the systematic cover-up must have worsened the ordeal for many victims. I would be surprised if they don't feel they were effectively gagged by the decades-long denials, and they probably can't wait for the day they can speak out free of the threat of accusations of 'fantasy' or lying. I would imagine for many victims being able to talk about their ordeal will be a crucial element of the recovery process and for these reasons I prefer to ignore 'rumours' as to what Thompson's have or have not done. I suspect the rumours are unfounded not least because of the risk to the legal firms reputation were such a strategy ever to become public knowledge. This is not to suggest I don't have suspicions about their handling of events, suspicions that are heightened by their apparent willingness to allow Celtic to accuse them of defamation and to let that accusation go unchallenged.
Hi Nemessis, I think this video deserves a new thread and should be shown far and wide. I totally agree that the similarities of coverup and deflection are, without question deliberate and premeditated. You could easily replace any of the people involved in the 60min investigation with those involved at CBC and come out with the same conclusion and the same documentary.Not to get away from the good work that people are doing in trying to help victims get some real justice I was just thinking, how many of these perverts would have or had wives or female partners ?
Statistics could well prove something in this respect, I also wonder what the wives of these directors and players think about their partners covering up these crimes, surely some of them would have knowledge of it? And surely they wouldn't as mothers themselves, allow this to go on unchallenged.Similarities to scurrilous accusations and the CFC / CBC cover up in this video.
I hear you, brother sounds as if they are softening the blow to me
There should be a description,he is a danger to childrenTommy well played mate as usual
Now the guy has asked for more questions why don’t you ask him to investigate Gerry McSherry and the 14 man list in more detail and of the 6 already convicted were they on the list
Ask him to ask PS why haven’t they released a description of the 7th man connected to CBC who has a warrant out for his arrest?
Surely you just cant commit a crime and then when you are caught just flash the cashAn NDA is absolutely worthless. Does anyone genuinely think that because a victim when they were a child / their parent signed a bit of paper saying that they admonished Celtic / accepted compensation under the table for child abuse has any worth in the court of law? If anything, an NDA makes their case stronger.
Can you imagine Celtic’s defence, “yeah but we had an NDA” “case dismissed!”?
It is lunacy to think any NDA is worth anything to Celtic other than it being a psychological weapon.
NDA’s purpose is to stop it getting that far.An NDA is absolutely worthless. Does anyone genuinely think that because a victim when they were a child / their parent signed a bit of paper saying that they admonished Celtic / accepted compensation under the table for child abuse has any worth in the court of law? If anything, an NDA makes their case stronger.
Can you imagine Celtic’s defence, “yeah but we had an NDA” “case dismissed!”?
It is lunacy to think any NDA is worth anything to Celtic other than it being a psychological weapon.
Surely you just cant commit a crime and then when you are caught just flash the cash
Ask him to ask PS why haven’t they released a description of the 7th man connected to CBC who has a warrant out for his arrest?
Description ?
He’s been ‘on the run’ for long enough.
Time to name the person they are looking for.
NDA’s purpose is to stop it getting that far.
Agreed the hacks know who he is,and could be still abusing elsewhere.
This is strange this one,seems no one is interested in this guy ffs.
But surely it has absolutely no real value? If they were to come out and say “we’re spilling the beans”, are Celtic going to try and sue them for not agreeing to cover up the abuse?
He said that despite knowing what that cult is and does, he still wants to be part of it and maintain faith. That mindset is beyond redemption.I don't get what you mean. What did he say for you to think that.I listened to all of that and the guy was very coherent, very clear and concise, and straight forward talking.
I was informed about this thread by a friend and have followed it with interest.
My deepest sympathy goes out to victims of abuse who have had to carry this awful burden throughout their lives. I only hope they get the justice that they deserve and that the perpetrators get the punishment that they deserve.
I haven’t posted before now as didn’t think I could add any constructive value but it’s been eaten away at me and I would like to add something even if it’s just to offer my concerns. Please excuse my grammar as it isn’t my strongest trait. Here goes...
I just HOPE that the abused victims and their survivors (strength in numbers) have the STRENGTH to ignore the “NDA” aspect and more importantly not to be ashamed ,feel guilty, belittled, embarrassed etc...no words can described exactly how they feel but please realise that the only hope for children now and the future is that this is brought out in the open by an ‘INDEPENDANT OPEN ENQUIRY’...and the abusers and in my eyes even worse, if that’s possible, the CO-CONSPIRITORS (worse than vermin that they are...) get the full punishment that they deserve.
Surely the NDA’s aspect of compensation in relation to abuse should be challenged in court as it is not in the public interest and would appear to be a cover up. If NDA’s apply in the case of abuse, then we as a society have failed ourselves and more importantly our children. The so called justice minister should be insisting that the victims are compensated appropriately regardless of NDA’s.
If MONEY is allowed to circumvent justice by abusers and co-conspirators then as a nation/society we’re FCUKED big time.
I’m sure that after the Harvey Weinstein and Phillip Green fallout, you now can’t use NDAs to cover up a crime like sexual harassment or assault.
I was informed about this thread by a friend and have followed it with interest.
My deepest sympathy goes out to victims of abuse who have had to carry this awful burden throughout their lives. I only hope they get the justice that they deserve and that the perpetrators get the punishment that they deserve.
I haven’t posted before now as didn’t think I could add any constructive value but it’s been eaten away at me and I would like to add something even if it’s just to offer my concerns. Please excuse my grammar as it isn’t my strongest trait. Here goes...
I just HOPE that the abused victims and their survivors (strength in numbers) have the STRENGTH to ignore the “NDA” aspect and more importantly not to be ashamed ,feel guilty, belittled, embarrassed etc...no words can described exactly how they feel but please realise that the only hope for children now and the future is that this is brought out in the open by an ‘INDEPENDANT OPEN ENQUIRY’...and the abusers and in my eyes even worse, if that’s possible, the CO-CONSPIRITORS (worse than vermin that they are...) get the full punishment that they deserve.
Surely the NDA’s aspect of compensation in relation to abuse should be challenged in court as it is not in the public interest and would appear to be a cover up. If NDA’s apply in the case of abuse, then we as a society have failed ourselves and more importantly our children. The so called justice minister should be insisting that the victims are compensated appropriately regardless of NDA’s.
If MONEY is allowed to circumvent justice by abusers and co-conspirators then as a nation/society we’re FCUKED big time.
Excellent post mate. Welcome to FFI was informed about this thread by a friend and have followed it with interest.
My deepest sympathy goes out to victims of abuse who have had to carry this awful burden throughout their lives. I only hope they get the justice that they deserve and that the perpetrators get the punishment that they deserve.
I haven’t posted before now as didn’t think I could add any constructive value but it’s been eaten away at me and I would like to add something even if it’s just to offer my concerns. Please excuse my grammar as it isn’t my strongest trait. Here goes...
I just HOPE that the abused victims and their survivors (strength in numbers) have the STRENGTH to ignore the “NDA” aspect and more importantly not to be ashamed ,feel guilty, belittled, embarrassed etc...no words can described exactly how they feel but please realise that the only hope for children now and the future is that this is brought out in the open by an ‘INDEPENDANT OPEN ENQUIRY’...and the abusers and in my eyes even worse, if that’s possible, the CO-CONSPIRITORS (worse than vermin that they are...) get the full punishment that they deserve.
Surely the NDA’s aspect of compensation in relation to abuse should be challenged in court as it is not in the public interest and would appear to be a cover up. If NDA’s apply in the case of abuse, then we as a society have failed ourselves and more importantly our children. The so called justice minister should be insisting that the victims are compensated appropriately regardless of NDA’s.
If MONEY is allowed to circumvent justice by abusers and co-conspirators then as a nation/society we’re FCUKED big time.