Lenzie Loyal
Well-Known Member
The gloves are off!
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
We need to be 100% sure of their facts before they say anything about this.
If we don’t have all the facts clearly established then the only statement we should make now is “we are looking into these serious allegations and will issue a full statement shortly”
was just about to post the sameClarify the position and then sue them for that accusation of cover up.
The gloves are off!
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
Make no mistake about it, this has been their end goal for years. Find some way, any way of linking us to child abuse so they can forgive themselves for what happened at their sordid club.
I fully expect you to be disappointed. Maybe once I will be surprised.The gloves are off!
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
I swear and my kids are now grown up but the police would not be my first port of call. The peadophile would now be dead and most probably I would not be free to write this reply. Full independent enquiry required. Independent being the watchwordThe people most at fault here are the boy’s parents. Why on earth would you not go to the police if your son had been sexually assaulted? I find that hard to comprehend.
I fully expect you to be disappointed. Maybe once I will be surprised.
It got 30 seconds air time on the bbc Scottish news. Quite generic they believe it wasn't reported as opposed to def not in tge headlineIt will be interesting if any other media outlet runs with this tomorrow or in the coming days.
If not it will be an indictment of a BBC Scotland agenda
Paper records held by Strathclyde Police are not kept for ever, they were destroyed after a period of years, unless it related to a murder case.
So he is right in the sense there is no record of the incident as it would have been destroyed along with hundreds of thousand other paper records. They weren’t digitised in those days.
The gloves are off!
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
“Neely would carry on abusing at Rangers until a complaint was made in 1991 which led to his dismissal.”
That is absolutely disgraceful and needs challenged by the club. What evidence is there to support any other incidents of abuse at Ibrox beyond the verbal offence that led to Neely’s dismissal?
They are absolutely desperate to drag us into this in order to subsume the Beasts’ crimes into a generalised nationwide abuse scandal.
Not so sure. We decided the first statement to make was a player signing a new contract. Hugely insignificant in relation to these accusationsWe've got to defend this.
We will defend this.
I don’t want to sound crude given its sensitive nature, but as you know the family and you’re saying there’s an agenda (not sure if you mean the family or reporting), are you able to elaborate on what you mean by agenda or even confirm if you meant the family or BBC? If not then that’s fine, it’s not an easy thing to be discussing and for the record I am only asking for clarification and not taking issue with what you’ve said or anything like that.
Straw clutching I would call it.Re The Rangers News- has Daly never considered that, perhaps, the folk who write the Rangers News weren't actually told why he had left? It's hardly evidence of a "cover up" is it? Unless they wanted us to say that Neely had left the club due to allegations of a sexual nature.
Utterly sickening“Neely would carry on abusing at Rangers until a complaint was made in 1991 which led to his dismissal.”
That is absolutely disgraceful and needs challenged by the club. What evidence is there to support any other incidents of abuse at Ibrox beyond the verbal offence that led to Neely’s dismissal?
They are absolutely desperate to drag us into this in order to subsume the Beasts’ crimes into a generalised nationwide abuse scandal.
The gloves are off!
I fully expect Rangers to come out all guns blazing in light of these allegations.
What annoyed me is that Daly kept opinionating to somehow "add weight" to what are still mere allegations. Also why was Martin Henry wheeled out if he is still to publish findings. Very, very sinister and orchestrated by a rancid broadcasting organisation.
Of alastair hood still with us he should come out and and let daily know the facts.
Rangers have to take the scumbags to task for this blatant smear.Spot on. In all the years that Neely was at Rangers there is only this one well documented incident, which once reported saw the bastard sacked immediately.
There is no cover up, unlike the 4 decades at Kiddy Fiddlers FC, but the mhedia would love to tar us with the same brush if they can.
If we have nothing to hide the Board must act asap.
Thanks for clearing up mate. Quite possible his dad knew it would not get anywhere given the victims word against Neely and it had to be left at that, although the report says Neely eventually admitted it. It is strange to say that given his dad’s position. I agree it clearly happened and we’ve not disputed it, an apology wouldn’t go amiss. Strange how Daily has not sought comment from Smith or Souness! The agenda is clear!No problem mate.
My agenda comment was for the media. Feel sorry for the victim as everybody does but it’s completely unfair for Rangers to be accused in this way when the club acted impeccably and done everything correctly, even though this was a long time ago when these things were often dealt with poorly.
The victim should get his apology because this happened under our stewardship and I genuinely think that is all he wants. But for him to say it wasn’t reported when his father was a serving police officer baffling. If he said “I don’t think it was reported because if so then why has nobody came to speak to me about it” (as he has said in the past) I would accept that but to say he knows it wasn’t reported is a lie.
It’s never pleasant to have to confront the sickness of child abuse in football.
It’s even more unpleasant to find a section of fans of a club hoping and praying that children were abused at another club in order to deflect from an ongoing, decades-long, history of abuse by what may have been a series of random individuals but which increasingly looks like a linked group at the club they support.
Sadly, this sickness also infects some journalists in Scotland, and elsewhere, who in pursuit of a story have over the last few years sought to pressurise victims into making statements tailored not to unveil the truth but to attempt to muddy the waters and create a situation where ‘one club was as bad as the other.’
I wouldn’t accuse Daly of any of the above but it is instructive to give that background as the small coterie of journalists working in this area are well-known to one another. By repetition and suggestion hunches and prejudice may become ‘facts.’ That is the culture.
By their very nature, predatory paedophiles are secretive and manipulative - often retaining some control of their victims even into adulthood. The most helpful way to encourage victims to come forward is the pursuit of the truth and the examination of the evidence by the police and courts.
With regard to Daly’s latest story it is instructive to re-familiarise ourselves with the facts. Whilst at Rangers there have been two alleged victims of Gordon Neely and one of Harry Dunn - the number of charges and convictions I leave to journalists to inform us of.
The facts with regard to one of Neely’s victims are reasonably well-known - a parent brought an incident to the notice of the club - the same day Neely was called to a meeting with Souness, Walter Smith and former security executive and ex-police officer Alistair Hood. He was sacked.
Despite the parent not wishing to report the incident to the police Alistair Hood’s advice was that it should be - and this was done. 30 years ago that would have been the Strathclyde force. Given Police Scotland’s recent record in losing files it comes as no surprise that they can’t find paper files from a predecessor organisation about an incident 30 years ago. However, we do have two living witnesses to that meeting.
Daly then reports a story about a club employee confronting the child and complaining about the complaint about Neely. This story is again instructive. In claiming the club was negligent it actually reinforces the argument - as soon as a complaint was made Neely was sacked.
The Rangers News clipping about Neely departure is being used in a manner which would lead you to believe the club were complicit in his behaviour. It’s very short and to the point - and why would a Rangers News employee be expected to know the ins and outs of his departure when it’s the subject of a report to the police about an incredibly serious matter which may, or may not, turn out to be true?
The embarrassment for Celtic fans, is of course, the fawning coverage complete with presentations, pictures and shaking of hands which accompanied Torbett’s departure. And, of course, Torbett was welcomed back.
Lastly, the implication is clearly given that Rangers facilitated Neely continued involvement in football when he set up a private vehicle to run soccer classes. No club, or individual, had or has the ability to stop the activities of a private individual when the police can’t. That is an impossibilist scenario.
bbc just announcing rangers never reported neely to the police after sacking. (see bbc article).We said we did.They are obviously try to deflect on to us.
ADMIN EDIT - LINK TO STORY -
BBC News - Rangers 'covered up' reasons for abuse claim coach's departure https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50087600
If this wasn't reported to the police then surely his father as a serving police officer has failed him far far more than any football club.
Am I missing something?
Or could it be now that his father is dead this man has decided which version of events he wants?
You've already been told.
The higher echelons of the club are hardly likely to tell a junior reporter in the Rangers News how to handle a news story whilst such allegations are being investigated.
Alistair Hood, himself a former high-ranking policeman, insisted against the wishes of a parent that a complaint be made and he did so.
“Neely would carry on abusing at Rangers until a complaint was made in 1991 which led to his dismissal.”
That is absolutely disgraceful and needs challenged by the club. What evidence is there to support any other incidents of abuse at Ibrox beyond the verbal offence that led to Neely’s dismissal?
They are absolutely desperate to drag us into this in order to subsume the Beasts’ crimes into a generalised nationwide abuse scandal.
Straw clutching I would call it.
Now if John is a victim then I wish him well and closure.
However this appears to me that he has only come forward after the death of his father. That could have been because his father reported it at the time or decided against reporting it.
Now that John was able to report his version because his father could not refute it, or allow him to report it.
To accuse Rangers of lying regarding reporting of it because the Police have not record is quite a leap, using a paragraph from a Rangers News as gospel.
Agreed.Rangers must bring in a fully independent investigator to prove or disprove BBC Scotland's allegations regarding Neely continuing to abuse individuals at our club. If they are lying, there should be no hiding place for BBC Scotland. We must go after BBC Scotland.
Exactly. What I don't get is he says Neely said he could tell his parents or get his bum smacked and John? said he would do it Neely's way. He then said he waited for the thud on his bum but it never came and was told to get to training . He then told his parents. Odd. Why would he choose a smacked bum over telling his parents and then tell them anyway.Has anyone else checked through old newspaper articles about Neely and the ‘victim’?
This guy’s story has changed.
Additionally, earlier he claimed that his father had beaten up Neely, which adds another factor. But he made further allegations concerning a situation where other witnesses were present - easily provable one way or another.
Everything Daly has written is pinned on the words of the ‘victim’ and the tiny article in the Rangers News.
Rangers really have to come out with a statement because men like Graeme Souness and Walter Smith are being dragged into it.
If hood said he Was going to do it (seems to be the case that it was his task to do and not Walters or souness) Then he either has done it or not.
He can answer this surely as it’s something you’d recall doing imo
Pencils write in the rain ballpoint didn’t besides defence lawyers could easily test for alterations using very simple scanning techniques.Back then the cops used pencils. That should tell you enough.
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Pencils write in the rain ballpoint didn’t besides defence lawyers could easily test for alterations using very simple scanning techniques.
Is there also a possibility that he’s been ‘incentivised’ to come forward now that both Hood and his father are no longer with us?