Artful Dodger
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Before and after torbet was caught out.Trophy Centre too.
Before and after torbet was caught out.Trophy Centre too.
Ball deep with some high heid yins in society would be my educated guess, there can be no other reason this has been blanked.He is the one I'd like to hear about mate, I wonder how deep this investigation will go.
Hadn’t heard that before , interesting
Even his whereabouts now is hard to find?This man was in positions of power at celtic, Torbett's company, he was the chairman of celtic up until 1994 and was previously a director at the aforementioned club.
I am in no way saying he has been involved in any wrongdoing but can anybody tell me why any information regarding him is very scarce and indeed why he is the only chairman of celtic who doesn't have his own Wikipedia page.
Scratching my head on this one because information is easily available for all other chairmen and directors. Does anyone else think this is unusual?
They money laundered back in the 1960's and they cheated other clubs by understating attendances at a time when the gate money was split between the clubs. Back in the 60's it was rumoured in Glasgow that they routed money to their players as bonuses via a Glasgow bookie called Tony Queen, who was a great pal of Jock Stein. The scam allegedly was that the gate money they cheated the other clubs out of went to Tony Queen who set up dodgy 'bets' through his company and then routed it back into the bank accounts of various parties at Parkhead as supposedly 'winning bets'. That way any tax due on earnings was completely avoided.
Well, technically fleecing people is hard work.The Kelly’s absolutely fleeced their own for money and almost destroyed their football club yet are still held up as an example of what they can achieve through hard work. Very strange.
Is that not Adrian Chiles?Usually maybe but remember he is a devout RC
Old age kicks in. I have amended original post as you are right. I have no idea about DurhamIs that not Adrian Chiles?
Stockholm syndromeThe Kelly’s absolutely fleeced their own for money and almost destroyed their football club yet are still held up as an example of what they can achieve through hard work. Very strange.
Mark Daley will not do anything as he is with the BBC Scotland and they will not investigate this in detail. Is not one of the senior people in the BBC Scotland the granddaughter of Kevin Kelly.Looks highly unlikely. Looks like Mark Daly might have to be the one to take the risks in getting this story out there.
Mark Daley will not do anything as he is with the BBC Scotland and they will not investigate this in detail. Is not one of the senior people in the BBC Scotland the granddaughter of Kevin Kelly.
You could be right mate, i know she works there but my knowledge ends at that.Mark Daley will not do anything as he is with the BBC Scotland and they will not investigate this in detail. Is not one of the senior people in the BBC Scotland the granddaughter of Kevin Kelly.
You are correct in saying that and so is McGinn after his "life threatening " injuriesI think KK is taking the 'I'm old and can't remember anything' route after advice from legal people.
Jim, do you have any hard evidence on this, or people you know who might be able to validate it mate ?
This man was in positions of power at celtic, Torbett's company, he was the chairman of celtic up until 1994 and was previously a director at the aforementioned club.
I am in no way saying he has been involved in any wrongdoing but can anybody tell me why any information regarding him is very scarce and indeed why he is the only chairman of celtic who doesn't have his own Wikipedia page.
Scratching my head on this one because information is easily available for all other chairmen and directors. Does anyone else think this is unusual?
I believe this to be correct.Wasnt the bookie Tony Queen in the car when Jock Stein had his big car crash that caused him to take a year out and Sean Fallon take over that lot as caretaker manager?
East end syndrome more like.Stockholm syndrome
was tony queen the driver?I believe this to be correct.
WATP
Celtic claimed it was for trophies. Did they not work it out to be the equivalent of about 4000 trophies per week, even with the Kelly's in charge and their history for fiddling numbers and even the seville calculate possibly being around at that time we know that is shite.
Jim, do you have any hard evidence on this, or people you know who might be able to validate it mate ?
I think Stein was driving, not 100% sure.was tony queen the driver?
In that case it’s 100% True then . That is the way there game works isn’t it ?Grigo - that particular rumour was about the city away back in the day when Stein and Tony Queen were practically joined at the hip. That is going back nearly 50 years. From memory, I first heard it from someone who worked at Centre One in East Kilbride back in the 1970's. As most older Bears on here will confirm, however, another well known fact back then was that their Directors (who at the time came from well known families) were strongly suspected by the Boards of other clubs of understating attendances at Parkhead. (It needs to be remembered that the gates used to be split between clubs). One such instance I will always recall was a game they had against St Mirren around 69/70 when St Mirren were going well at the time. The St Mirren Directors reckoned that there were at least 40,000 inside Parkhead. When they received the note of the attendance just after half-time they were shocked to read that it was only 28,000. One St Mirren Director apparently made an audible comment across the Directors Box that, "They're at it again"!
The general suspicion for years was that certain families had been skimming from the gate money. The rumour about Tony Queen's role in the direction of monies emanating from that did do the rounds but validation of it, nearly 50 years on with many of the people long gone, would be virtually impossible.
Stein was the driver,also in the car was his wife,Tony Queen, Bob Shankley & his wife.. WATPwas tony queen the driver?
Grigo - that particular rumour was about the city away back in the day when Stein and Tony Queen were practically joined at the hip. That is going back nearly 50 years. From memory, I first heard it from someone who worked at Centre One in East Kilbride back in the 1970's. As most older Bears on here will confirm, however, another well known fact back then was that their Directors (who at the time came from well known families) were strongly suspected by the Boards of other clubs of understating attendances at Parkhead. (It needs to be remembered that the gates used to be split between clubs). One such instance I will always recall was a game they had against St Mirren around 69/70 when St Mirren were going well at the time. The St Mirren Directors reckoned that there were at least 40,000 inside Parkhead. When they received the note of the attendance just after half-time they were shocked to read that it was only 28,000. One St Mirren Director apparently made an audible comment across the Directors Box that, "They're at it again"!
The general suspicion for years was that certain families had been skimming from the gate money. The rumour about Tony Queen's role in the direction of monies emanating from that did do the rounds but validation of it, nearly 50 years on with many of the people long gone, would be virtually impossible.
Is this the guy who was photographed with the perv priest and Saville at the Chapel in Kilsyth
During Fergus McCann's takeover, Hugh Keevins regularly spoke about members of the Kelly & White families leaving Parkhead on every matchday with duffle bags crammed with bank notes.
was tony queen the driver?
Someone posted about him still walking down to the roll shop and back every morning for his newpapers and rolls. He is some age now too.Dementia - can’t remember - any enquiry over - miraculous recovery, is how it will play out. The groundwork was laid a few years back.
This man was in positions of power at celtic, Torbett's company, he was the chairman of celtic up until 1994 and was previously a director at the aforementioned club.
I am in no way saying he has been involved in any wrongdoing but can anybody tell me why any information regarding him is very scarce and indeed why he is the only chairman of celtic who doesn't have his own Wikipedia page.
Scratching my head on this one because information is easily available for all other chairmen and directors. Does anyone else think this is unusual?
Correct.Is this the guy who was photographed with the perv priest and Saville at the Chapel in Kilsyth
As you know, I like to analyse statements for fine detail. The fact that Keevins repeatedly referred to "duffle bags stuffed with bank notes" rather than just "bags stuffed with bank notes" is very specific and suggests he had direct knowledge of what was going on.Thanks J. Hadn't heard that one.
As you know, I like to analyse statements for fine detail. The fact that Keevins repeatedly referred to "duffle bags stuffed with bank notes" rather than just "bags stuffed with bank notes" is very specific and suggests he had direct knowledge of what was going on.
The c.unt claimed ignorance when a reporter showed up at his door last year.
Kelly was vice-chairman of the club when it investigated and then cleared boys’ club “leaders” of any wrongdoing – and was also president of the boys’ club – he said he had no idea that beasts Torbett and Frank Cairney were preying on children over decades on his watch.
At the time of the 1986 probe Kelly was vice-chairman of Celtic FC, president of Celtic Boys’ Club and worked for Torbett at his Trophy Centre business.
He was asked about the 1986 probe by Celtic FC which had cleared Torbett and Cairney of any wrongdoing and that Celtic FC had then endorsed the pair by branding the claims as “scurrilous” and saying they should be “buried once and for all”, he replied: “I’ve nothing to say about that, I’m quite happy with what’s gone to the police and everything."
When asked about his directorship of the Trophy Centre – Torbett’s company – he denied it saying: “I wasn’t a director.”
When it was put to him that he has a legal listing as a director of the company he retorted: “Look, I’ve no knowledge of the past, I’m sorry about that.”
He went on to add - “A lot of it is conjecture and it’s taken the police a long time, and I’ve been told by the police to stick by my statement and not to talk to anyone else until it is all resolved.”
He fucking knew alright, the auld filthy bastard. I'd like to know why this prick appears to be untouchable.