Yip an inside rightIt’s remember a time when positions were called by their names.
No......... Pedro tried it with Tav and Hodgson and after 20 minutes we were effectively playing with 2 right backsThe right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
U daft?The right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
The right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
The right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
A very different situation now I would suggest. The midfield roles are very defined now and the coaching staff are infinitely better.No......... Pedro tried it with Tav and Hodgson and after 20 minutes we were effectively playing with 2 right backs
Wonderful contribution. I'm sure everyone appreciates it.U daft?
I can't stand shoehorning players either.Madness. Remember when Walter & Ally used to shoehorn players into other positions? People on this board would be apoplectic.
Not advocating for a change in system at all. I'm asking if folk think Tav could fill the existing number 8 role on the right hand side.Let’s get the team up and running in their usual positions before fricking around with systems for now.
Yeah I can see that would be the case, particularly with Patterson.Gerrard has already said neither him nor Patterson are particularly good when their starting position is higher up the park.
They are more comfortable facing the play and running on to balls, as opposed to taking the ball on the turn, or half turn.
A no from you, Terrance?Will this ever end
Number 8 is an inside right.Why do positions, mainly midfield, now have (old) squad numbers to define them?
“Number 8” surely should be your attacking centre mid and “number 6” your defensive centre mid?
Yeah I can see that would be the case, particularly with Patterson.
SG also said at the beginning of the season he will be looking at ways to play both.
Take up a different sport.The right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
Ah, the sensible, realistic, considered, approach.He did mate, but I think he's realised that other players are far better options in the midfield.
I also remember watching Patterson play right midfield for Scotland under 21s last season and he really struggled.
He got hooked at half time and was totally lost.
You've got to remember that Davis, Kamara, Arfield, Aribo, Bacuna and Jack, are all full internationalists playing in midfield.
That's not even counting Lundstram either, or Stephen Kelly.
We have far better options than Tav and Patterson in midfield.
I was only really thinking Tav for the right side number 8 position and that was assuming Davis playing his usual role and Kamara on the left of the three.He did mate, but I think he's realised that other players are far better options in the midfield.
I also remember watching Patterson play right midfield for Scotland under 21s last season and he really struggled.
He got hooked at half time and was totally lost.
You've got to remember that Davis, Kamara, Arfield, Aribo, Bacuna and Jack, are all full internationalists playing in midfield.
That's not even counting Lundstram either, or Stephen Kelly.
We have far better options than Tav and Patterson in midfield.
Change of tact here.I think it's something that Gerrard had been working on but clearly isn't ready to be tried out. I am a big fan of keeping players playing in their natural position. Tav is a right back and it really should be where he is playing. That said, I think Patterson is a better defender and soon to be an overall better player than Tav altogether.
It might be something worth giving a go - not sure when the right time to try it out is though.
That said, I want to see Patterson playing, a lot more.
And Lee, can’t remember his surname!I remember this debate when we had Hutton especially putting him into midfield.
Don't think it would work imo.
Firstly, as good as Tav is defence is not his strong point. However, all I have had to do is watch him. I think Patterson is better at focussing on staying back when required. Tav for me gets caught out quite a lot further up the field leaving the defence exposed. He also doesn't cut out crosses very often at all.Change of tact here.
What has Patterson done in his twenty games that’d tell you he’s a better defender than Tavernier?
I think it's something that Gerrard had been working on but clearly isn't ready to be tried out. I am a big fan of keeping players playing in their natural position. Tav is a right back and it really should be where he is playing. That said, I think Patterson is a better defender and soon to be an overall better player than Tav altogether.
It might be something worth giving a go - not sure when the right time to try it out is though.
That said, I want to see Patterson playing, a lot more.
It was Murty who did it at The Chamber when we drew 1-1 (though Caixinha was in the stand). It kinda worked but it's not a long term solution.Warbutton tried this I’m sure in an old firm game no less. Didn’t work.
He’s better at running on to the ball with space to run into.
England tried this with Alexander Arnold recently. Didn’t work either.
Tav had a terrific game at Parkhead in midfield a few years ago. It is an option I think could work but I don't see it happening, at the moment.He's got an abundance of attributes to play there.
Great engine, good upper body strength, very accurate passer, can shoot from distance. If you just want him to go box to box I think it's a reasonable shout.
Also the cries of I wank dugs are generally because he has been caught out of position. If Patterson is going to be playing RB in our system and bombing forward, we would be relying on Tav falling back and covering the RB berth.Gerrard has already said neither him nor Patterson are particularly good when their starting position is higher up the park.
They are more comfortable facing the play and running on to balls, as opposed to taking the ball on the turn, or half turn.
Gerrard has already said if Tavernier was pushed forward it would be to player right mid in a 4-1-4-1 style formation, so you’re right.Very difficult to convert a natural attacking full back into a centre mid
Tavs attacking threat is getting to the byline and getting crosses into the box. We’d lose that by pushing him into midfield.
It’s a no from me
I agree, he has been caught out a couple of times and defence may not be the strongest part of his game but I feel he does get caught out less than Tav purely because he does head back to defence once the ball isn't going forward - Tav tends to wait and see if it'll come back towards the half way line.Currently, defending is Patterson's weakness mate.
We've seen moments of him switching off in a lot of games.
Celtic last season and Moldova recently being prime examples.
His main strengths are all in an attacking sense.
Although he doesn't have Tav's delivery, he is quicker and more direct than him.
I do agree with you though that he will go on to become an outstanding full back, both defensively and in attack.
There's a reason he hasn't tried it.This has been suggested before and honestly isn't a bad idea imo. I certainly wouldn't be slating it. Guaranteed it won't go down well, if Stevie G tried it then it would be lauded as a tactical master class.
To be fair Roy Hodgson was nearly 80 at the timeNo......... Pedro tried it with Tav and Hodgson and after 20 minutes we were effectively playing with 2 right backs
Pretty sure the gaffer has already said he doesn’t have the attributes to work in their as he’s suited to coming on to the game rather than having his back to goal receiving the ballThe right side number 8 midfield position is becoming a bit of an issue for me.
We've tried a few there now, but none of them offer Goldson and Tav the same protection Jack did, or that Kamara provides on the left side.
Could Tav play that role for is with Patterson at right back?
He certainly has the energy and would add some much needed pace to the midfield as well as a threat with shots from distance.
Also, in theory he should be good at covering the full back, helping the defence and shuttling across laterally.
Issue might be on the ball and having less time in there.
Aribo doesn't work there, neither does Arfield and it's beginning to look like Lundstram might be better as a defensive number 6.
I'd like to see us trying Tav in there. Thoughts?
Its because hes a fine footballer that could play in a number of positions, its a compliment.We've had people saying Tav should be full back, centre back, midfield, right wing....
Knowing FF I'm astonished no-one has suggested him as the answer to our supposed problem at keeper which someone else brought up.
And Patterson is wasted on our bench. Tavernier in midfield should be considered, and even Gerrard has explored the possibility. We do need Patterson playing on a consistent basis, and we also need Tavernier just as much.Wouldn't that nullify Tav's attacking threat though? If Patterson is going forward then Tav would be holding back to cover for him, it wouldn't be both of them attacking.
I personally think Tav would be wasted in our midfield.
Not sure thats much on an argument mate.The
There's a reason he hasn't tried it.
Not the same at all though Patterson is not only much better hes also a fine attacking player.No......... Pedro tried it with Tav and Hodgson and after 20 minutes we were effectively playing with 2 right backs
When was the last time Tav got to the byeline?!Very difficult to convert a natural attacking full back into a centre mid
Tavs attacking threat is getting to the byline and getting crosses into the box. We’d lose that by pushing him into midfield.
It’s a no from me