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He surely can’t even undergo a medical at the minute whilst still recovering from a bilateral hernia op?
He surely can’t even undergo a medical at the minute whilst still recovering from a bilateral hernia op?
Who were the signing targets incidentally?
Im afraid it seems folk are clutching at straws on this one. Arsenal's own go to journalist is David Ornstein of the BBC, and he confirmed the bids & Arsenal's belief that a deal can still be done.
It seems Arsenal are targeting a left back, central defender, a winger and a Ramsey replacement with their budget. First choice in those areas seem to be Tierney, Saliba, Zaha & a loan deal for Ceballos of Real Madrid. They seem to be targeting young players in the main who can grow and Imorove with them.
Now that sounds difficult to do with a £50M budget but it's not as straight forward as adding all transfer fees up and that's their budget. They are trying to haggle to pay in installments, add ons etc. Plus I'm not sure their budget is only £50M, its an advantage for people to think they have a limited budget in negotiations, plus they will try to generate money from sales. Zaha is looking to prove too expensive so they are heavily linked with the Brazilian winger who started for them in the Copa America Everton Soares.
The frustration with the Arsenal fans is not who they are targeting, but the fact that they can't seem to get any over the line yet. They have seen Spurs come in and try and outbid them for Saliba at the last minute, haggling over the payment structure for Tierney, their Zaha bid laughed out, and their captain refuse to go on tour. They are targeting the owners with a campaign called We Care Do You, and the owners son responded yesterday with an open letter and interview sayingthey are confident deals will be finalised over the next couple of weeks.
Today's Scottish Gossip column on BBC had a bit with Lennon saying he isn't worried about Tierney failing a medical, so I clicked on the link.....The Tierney signing has been in the English papers, as well as Sky Sports News regularly.
They are interested, no question.
Whether or not he's fit enough to move is another question.
His medical will tell us plenty.
Personally I'll be delighted if the wee papish c**t leaves.
He's the heartbeat of their team and he'll be very difficult to replace.
As a Rangers fan that suits me just fine.
Never seen Everton Soares play but all reports I've read sound positive, would hope we also sign a more proven winger if Soares does come in, wouldn't say no to Malcom on loan.
Today's Scottish Gossip column on BBC had a bit with Lennon saying he isn't worried about Tierney failing a medical, so I clicked on the link.....
Lennon said Tierney still feels pain when he runs, but (in his expert opinion) doesn't think that should effect a medical.
“It is one of these sort of ongoing conditions that causes discomfort and he was in a lot of discomfort towards the end of last season, to the point where he was struggling to get out of bed."
“It’s a question of trying to let that settle. He is back out on the grass now, which is a good sign.
“I’d like to think in the next two or three weeks he will be maybe not playing, but back into full training anyway.”
I hope he stays. Lennon is saying best case scenario for them is that he might resume full training a week after the season has already started, which would still leave him a few weeks away from actually playing a game. There also appears to be a very high chance that the injury will continue to return and cause him further problems.
Everton is technically good, likes to run with the ball and take players on. Has a reasonable scoring record for a wide player although you'd like more from him. Tactically he isn't the best - defensive awareness needs improved on - and whilst he isn't small he could do with adding some upper body strength to cope with the Premiership.
Ultimately, like a lot of signings, it would probably be down to how he settled as he has a lot of ability and at 23 plenty of scope to improve.
If Arsenal where not interest in him.at all then they would quickly deny the stories.
These stories are being written from outside the Scottish bubble.
The emperors new clothes , how can Arsenal fall for this?Will Rentbhoy pass a proper medical?
He’s never worth £25m but it shows you how they manipulate the mhedia across the UK
Talksport saying £40-£50m is realistic
What a lot of shite that is
Hope he fails a medical
Thanks mate!! Sounds promising.
You mention about him being tactically and defensively poor, do you think this is down to coaching or just the players attitude? And what side of the pitch does he tend to occupy?
As Emery has a reputation for being a very good coach and tend's to have defensively well drilled teams, Sevilla in particular.
How can Trippier a fit English international go for 20 mil and Tierneys worth 25 milJulien Laurent, Guardian football journalist, based in London, reporting for ESPN in U.S. Was just interviewed on US TV on Arsenal's signing targets. He immediately mentioned their small budget, then named 6 players they'd be interested in getting in this window.
Any guesses who he didn't mention?
Reported to be limited to around 50m and we're supposed to believe half of it is for an injured full back from Scotland? I'm going with bullshit.
Scottish media at their finest. I'm sure Hartson and Guidi will be doubling down on their efforts tomorrow on Tierney's value.
They will need at least 50 million to help pay the victims .Talksport now saying he’s valued at £40- £50m !
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kieran-tierney/verletzungen/spieler/300716
Took this from another forum, maybe the Arsenal fans should have a, wee look
Played too often too young.There is no way he will pass a medical, he will have a career of being plagued by the same problem.He will manage a few games then will have to rest for weeks to recover.It will be a continuing cycle.
How do we know you don’t do that anyway?i posted when it first broke if arsenal signed him i would eat my man cheese thats how confident i am of it being bullshit
Suppose you reap what you sow, Arsenal fans have obviously got into the habit of not winning anything, I suppose a so called £25 million player will be one of their cup finals this season. They must be on the same book as the Southampton supporters lolOn one of the forums I looked at someone had posted that. The rest on there simply dismissed it as nothing to be concerned about and urged their Board to 'stop fannying about over just £25m' and get the deal done.
They are headcases, absolute nutjobs.
THIS. Credible reports from people closely associated with Arsenal have confirmed the interest in Tierney is genuine. Not to mention the two reported bids being real. I understand that the other team from Glasgow have tendencies to make things up in the press regarding rejected 'big money bids', however we need to accept that Tierney is a very good, young, modern fullback. This position is highly sought after all over Europe currently and with the true 'World Class' fullbacks being snapped up for prices between £50m - £70m (Ferland Mendy, Benjamin Mendy, Lucas Hernandez, AWB), £25m for Tierney isn't exactly overly exaggerated. However this does not excuse the fact he's a mentally challenged bastard.
However IF Tierney does go for the reported money then I think it makes our stance with Tav's suitors a little bit easier, £20m then we talk. I think he's a better player than Tierney but age isn't on his side. It's also worth noting, that lot selling players for big money doesn't necessarily mean they will invest back into the squad. The have a circa £55m wage bill to cover and with no guaranteed UCL money they need to pay that somehow.
Arsenal's targets all look relatively promising, hoping Saliba signs for this season (not a loan back) and doesn't end up at Spurs, I've seen him play live a couple of times and I honestly think he has elite potential. Another CB would we be welcomed, Hermoso would be my choice (probably wishful thinking)!! Zaha I would absolutely love to happen but just can't see it happening this window. Never seen Everton Soares play but all reports I've read sound positive, would hope we also sign a more proven winger if Soares does come in, wouldn't say no to Malcom on loan. As for Ceballos I think we are actively trying to punt Elneny and with Ramsey leaving I can see the sense in this, he's a very good footballer, might take a while to adjust to the PL tho.
Wouldn't be overly against using a lot of youth next season and almost sacrificing top six but banking our budget for this window and using it next year. Players like Saka, Nelson, Bielik, Medley, Olayinka, Emile Smith-Rowe, Balogun, Nketiah, John-Jules and Amaechi - all have massive potential and would certainly bring the excitement back to this squad.
Its all deflection folks.
Who on earth is going splash that kind of dosh on an unfit player, who is already behind on pre-season and is a few weeks away from playing and will continue to need rest after games to manage an on-going medical condition?
With regard to Tav in your post mate although age does come into it .Tav never seems to get injured so who would you sign a player like Tav who will be available for every game fully fit ,or a younger guy who spends all his time on the sick .THIS. Credible reports from people closely associated with Arsenal have confirmed the interest in Tierney is genuine. Not to mention the two reported bids being real. I understand that the other team from Glasgow have tendencies to make things up in the press regarding rejected 'big money bids', however we need to accept that Tierney is a very good, young, modern fullback. This position is highly sought after all over Europe currently and with the true 'World Class' fullbacks being snapped up for prices between £50m - £70m (Ferland Mendy, Benjamin Mendy, Lucas Hernandez, AWB), £25m for Tierney isn't exactly overly exaggerated. However this does not excuse the fact he's a mentally challenged bastard.
However IF Tierney does go for the reported money then I think it makes our stance with Tav's suitors a little bit easier, £20m then we talk. I think he's a better player than Tierney but age isn't on his side. It's also worth noting, that lot selling players for big money doesn't necessarily mean they will invest back into the squad. The have a circa £55m wage bill to cover and with no guaranteed UCL money they need to pay that somehow.
Arsenal's targets all look relatively promising, hoping Saliba signs for this season (not a loan back) and doesn't end up at Spurs, I've seen him play live a couple of times and I honestly think he has elite potential. Another CB would we be welcomed, Hermoso would be my choice (probably wishful thinking)!! Zaha I would absolutely love to happen but just can't see it happening this window. Never seen Everton Soares play but all reports I've read sound positive, would hope we also sign a more proven winger if Soares does come in, wouldn't say no to Malcom on loan. As for Ceballos I think we are actively trying to punt Elneny and with Ramsey leaving I can see the sense in this, he's a very good footballer, might take a while to adjust to the PL tho.
Wouldn't be overly against using a lot of youth next season and almost sacrificing top six but banking our budget for this window and using it next year. Players like Saka, Nelson, Bielik, Medley, Olayinka, Emile Smith-Rowe, Balogun, Nketiah, John-Jules and Amaechi - all have massive potential and would certainly bring the excitement back to this squad.
In an ideal world your scenario pans out and they can neither sell or play him.
I wish him nothing but pain and misery.
Yeah its the same on Twitter, their fans are convinced he’s going to be their version of Andy Robertson.
Agree with most of this other than the comparison with Tav.
If we accept that £25mill is a realistic bid for Tierney, and comparison with the insane English transfer market might say that it is then this does not put the starting bid for Tav at £20mill. It puts it conservatively at £30mill. And that is only because I genuinely believe that the Scottish market has to have a ceiling. Otherwise you are talking £40mill.
Tav’s stats are that much better than Tierney’s.
You make the point that Tav is older but this is more than offset by the fact that Tav also has a functioning skeleton. Which, as i’ve said elsewhere, is generally considered useful in most vertebrate life forms.
The reason that age is an issue is twofold: expected length of career with the buyer and expected future sell on fee. At Tav’s age, length of career with buyer is not an issue as he easily has 5 years at his current peak and you can’t look beyond that as a buyer. However sell-on might be compromised. You’d expect to be able to sell easily but not at elite pricing as he would be (only just) passing his peak. With Tierney’s medical history there is a question mark as to whether he will play for a buyer at all and, if that is a concern then sell-on is zero. That creates far far more risk than Tav being at peak.
I really can’t for the life of me understand why some people view “being 27” as being worse than “having chronic hip issue at 22 and playing 21/38 games last year and almost none in the last 6 months.”
With regard to Tav in your post mate although age does come into it .Tav never seems to get injured so who would you sign a player like Tav who will be available for every game fully fit ,or a younger guy who spends all his time on the sick .
This is why they want to punt him to the highest bidder and have invested a large chunk of cash in a replacement.As you know mate I heard a while ago he is pretty much going to be riddled with hip problems for the foreseeable. The condition has actually retired some players early in worst case scenarios, he won’t be playing full seasons for them anymore I’m fairly confident of that so we may indeed end up getting the best of both. An injured Tierney barely featuring over the course of the season will see his value plummet.
Never thought you were bashing Tav mate its just wanted to emphasis that age isn't everything as some commentators in the press like to point out I'd rather have a 27 year old who never has a day of through over a 20 year old or whatever his age is who is always injured . Naw your post was good .I never meant for my post to sound like I was bashing Tav, I'd say he's probably the best player in Scotland with regards to ability and what he offers us. I'm 22 and Tav is without question the best RB I've seen in Scotland. I'd love for Tav to stay and lift a league for us andthen sell him on for a record Scottish transferretire at Ibrox!!
Agree with most of this other than the comparison with Tav.
If we accept that £25mill is a realistic bid for Tierney, and comparison with the insane English transfer market might say that it is then this does not put the starting bid for Tav at £20mill. It puts it conservatively at £30mill. And that is only because I genuinely believe that the Scottish market has to have a ceiling. Otherwise you are talking £40mill.
Tav’s stats are that much better than Tierney’s.
You make the point that Tav is older but this is more than offset by the fact that Tav also has a functioning skeleton. Which, as i’ve said elsewhere, is generally considered useful in most vertebrate life forms.
The reason that age is an issue is twofold: expected length of career with the buyer and expected future sell on fee. At Tav’s age, length of career with buyer is not an issue as he easily has 5 years at his current peak and you can’t look beyond that as a buyer. However sell-on might be compromised. You’d expect to be able to sell easily but not at elite pricing as he would be (only just) passing his peak. With Tierney’s medical history there is a question mark as to whether he will play for a buyer at all and, if that is a concern then sell-on is zero. That creates far far more risk than Tav being at peak.
I really can’t for the life of me understand why some people view “being 27” as being worse than “having chronic hip issue at 22 and playing 21/38 games last year and almost none in the last 6 months.”
On top of that, am I right in thinking Tav would count as a home grown player in England as well?
Julien Laurent, Guardian football journalist, based in London, reporting for ESPN in U.S. Was just interviewed on US TV on Arsenal's signing targets. He immediately mentioned their small budget, then named 6 players they'd be interested in getting in this window.
Good update. Food spot
Any guesses who he didn't mention?
Reported to be limited to around 50m and we're supposed to believe half of it is for an injured full back from Scotland? I'm going with bullshit.
Scottish media at their finest. I'm sure Hartson and Guidi will be doubling down on their efforts tomorrow on Tierney's value.
David Ornstein has been reporting on this for the BBC, he's based in London and is very close to Arsenal. Their interest in Tierney is real.
Tierney wont go for £25m. If a series of highly doubtful events happen he might make that. The bankable figure will be closer to £15m.
Tav has better stats in the SPL but Tiernay has played Champions League. SPL and Europa league aren’t going to be valued as highly.
No SPL player without good European performances will go to the EPL for big money.
Sad but that is where we are
If that scenario is accurate, then no club shells out millions of pounds on such an uncertain investment.Its all deflection folks.
Who on earth is going splash that kind of dosh on an unfit player, who is already behind on pre-season and is a few weeks away from playing and will continue to need rest after games to manage an on-going medical condition?
Who were the signing targets incidentally?
You look as though you would too, brotheri posted when it first broke if arsenal signed him i would eat my man cheese thats how confident i am of it being bullshit