Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

BN94 said:
Reply from Martin Henry at SFA on abuse report today.

Dear xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your email concerning the release of the Final Report of the Independent Review of Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football.


I have been waiting for a date to be agreed by the Scottish FA for submission and release of the final report. I have just heard from them that they are close to finalising the date and so I remain hopeful that the report will be published within the next few weeks. I too am very keen for the report to be published as soon as possible.



As you know the report could not be submitted and released until all of the criminal proceedings concerning those individual cases cited in the report were concluded. The last of these was concluded in early 2020. You will be aware of why this was necessary since it was already explained in the interim report in June 2018 and in the media on several occasions since then.

When the last of the criminal cases concluded one of the accused entered an appeal which further held up agreement of a release date. Similarly the report had to be submitted for legal advice before finalisation. Once all of that happened the COVID lockdown occurred once again affecting the release date for the report. It is only now that the easing of lockdown is progressing that the Scottish FA are in a position to confirm the date for me to submit the report and for it then to be released.


The personal accounts which will be provided within the final report have all been consistently open for comment and amendment by the individual survivors concerned. They too have been extremely helpful in offering their own observations, where they wished, on wider improvements they would want to see implemented within Scottish football to safeguard and protect young people. Indeed all those affected who came forward to contribute to the review and those whose personal accounts are able to be included have engaged positively with the review throughout.


The report will be submitted to the Scottish FA in the first instance since they commissioned the review and they will also agree the planned release of the report and the process for this. As I said earlier I am fully hopeful that all this will happen over the next few weeks. I am keen to see the report submitted so that the important job of improving the protection of young people in football can be continued with urgency since this was ultimately the aim of the review.


Other than the submission and release of the final report the independent review is now concluded as is my active role in leading it.


Best wishes,

Martin Henry
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As everyone here expects, this will be all about how to do things better in the future, for all clubs. Because isn't that what it's all about? We can ALL do better and should do better. You'd have to be a bigot or a pedo enabler to say otherwise.

Never mind that 95% of all the past transgressions all occurred at one club and their 'joined-at-the-hip' separate entity.
 
Brother Crockett said:
So, as predicted, the Scottish media report he reporting, not the issues. And of course, cite their own exclusives from way back when (which they then dropped). It's great that it's getting out there, but shows what a spineless bunch they are in reality.
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Each of them will have released 'cover their @rse' pieces which they can point to when required. They're not daft. Look at Spiers recently.

We're not daft either though, and it's what they didn't do and didn't print that exposes and condemns them.
 
BN94 said:
Reply from Martin Henry at SFA on abuse report today.

Dear xxxxxxxx

Thank you for your email concerning the release of the Final Report of the Independent Review of Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football.


I have been waiting for a date to be agreed by the Scottish FA for submission and release of the final report. I have just heard from them that they are close to finalising the date and so I remain hopeful that the report will be published within the next few weeks. I too am very keen for the report to be published as soon as possible.



As you know the report could not be submitted and released until all of the criminal proceedings concerning those individual cases cited in the report were concluded. The last of these was concluded in early 2020. You will be aware of why this was necessary since it was already explained in the interim report in June 2018 and in the media on several occasions since then.

When the last of the criminal cases concluded one of the accused entered an appeal which further held up agreement of a release date. Similarly the report had to be submitted for legal advice before finalisation. Once all of that happened the COVID lockdown occurred once again affecting the release date for the report. It is only now that the easing of lockdown is progressing that the Scottish FA are in a position to confirm the date for me to submit the report and for it then to be released.


The personal accounts which will be provided within the final report have all been consistently open for comment and amendment by the individual survivors concerned. They too have been extremely helpful in offering their own observations, where they wished, on wider improvements they would want to see implemented within Scottish football to safeguard and protect young people. Indeed all those affected who came forward to contribute to the review and those whose personal accounts are able to be included have engaged positively with the review throughout.


The report will be submitted to the Scottish FA in the first instance since they commissioned the review and they will also agree the planned release of the report and the process for this. As I said earlier I am fully hopeful that all this will happen over the next few weeks. I am keen to see the report submitted so that the important job of improving the protection of young people in football can be continued with urgency since this was ultimately the aim of the review.


Other than the submission and release of the final report the independent review is now concluded as is my active role in leading it.


Best wishes,

Martin Henry
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This has all the hallmarks of a whitewash with no club in particular to blame and it being a societal problem. Go on Mr. Henry surprise me and tell us what you really discovered.
 
Malbec said:
Yup, the snp rewrite the rules by ruling out the investigation of the culprits that they categorically KNOW are the root cause of all of this. Then cry that they cannot comment until the dodgy guy finally issues the damning report, and to ensure they never have to comment, they arrange for him to go sick, thereby ensuring they never have to comment or get involved.

What a horses arse. Tick tock timmy
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The SNP are playing a dangerous game. The Catholic vote seems to be crucial for them. It could really backfire.
 
Simply a Bear said:
Their fans don't realise the scale of this scandal.

They are so identified with their idea of their club ( being a charity, spokesman for the downtrodden etc), that they refuse to accept the truth. They have been told for decades, helped by the media pr, that any accusations are the result of bigotry or sectarianism.

Their bubble is about to be burst. And it is going to shock even the most ardent of their fans.
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This is hard to take in, christ even the hardened RC population of ROI turned on their church over such scandal yet these folk seem not to care
 
bLuE PirAtE said:
I have just been involved in a Facebook discussion about the abuse. It started off with an ex colleague Celtic fan. But soon three of his Celtic pals joined in. All of them accusing Rangers of covering up abuse too. Deflect and deny was the theme. I ended up leaving the conversation. Unfortunately these 4 guys are typical of most Celtic fans in the country.
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FFS man up and get in about them.
They've had 50 years of it, even re-employing convicted paedos.
6 or so convicted employees - you can search names on here.
Umpteen managers and established players have admitted it went on ("open secret").
Dont let the ***s intimidate you with their bullshit.
 
EH47 said:
FFS man up and get in about them.
They've had 50 years of it, even re-employing convicted paedos.
6 or so convicted employees - you can search names on here.
Umpteen managers and established players have admitted it went on ("open secret").
Dont let the ***s intimidate you with their bullshit.
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The truth is they can’t handle it. I have had a few conversations with a few of them on it, and on one occasion I thought it was going to get physical, the guy was foaming at the mouth and nearly greeting. On another occasion the name Neely was mentioned in an attempt at a little dig, even though I had not broached the subject beforehand, they were left in no doubt what their club had done, and that the directors of the club between the 60s and the 90s, and even the current mob, had a LOT to answer for.

They know fine well there is no comparison whatsoever to what happened at their club with any other club in Scotland, but they just can’t admit it. No point discussing it with them, you can present the facts clear as daylight but they are so warped, and so ashamed, that it will make no difference.

The Lisbon Lions, Dalglish, Maley, the Jungle, Stein, Seville, 9IAR, Larsson, McNeill, not to mention a massive fan base and numerous trophies over a long history. All overshadowed forever by the vilest thing a human can do, they will forever be known for it, and there is nothing they can do about it. All they can attempt to do is drag us down with them, but it is futile and they know it. It hurts them, right to the core, so they just try to deny and deflect, that is the only way they can deal with it.

They can shout Sevco as loud as they want, they can swan about in their new Adidas attire, they can use all the shamrock and trophy emojis they want, they can glorify terrorism and be the most racist club in Scotland, pillorying any form of establishment, whilst pretending to be the most liberal, tolerant of clubs with some sort of moral authority. They truly believe in their cause, that their club is intertwined with that religion, despite the majority not practising it nor visiting churches unless for an occasion. In short, they are truly deluded.

But we know. They know. And everybody else knows.

Celtic FC will forever be tainted with the foul stench of paedophilia, and covering it up on many occasions. It will never go away.
 
EH47 said:
FFS man up and get in about them.
They've had 50 years of it, even re-employing convicted paedos.
6 or so convicted employees - you can search names on here.
Umpteen managers and established players have admitted it went on ("open secret").
Dont let the ***s intimidate you with their bullshit.
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Easy enough to say mate.

See when you do stand up, you get your profile sent around CSCs worldwide in the hope of finding out who you are.
You get ill phil and the hag retweeting to their followers.
You get them posting pictures of your children.
They contact people you know, places you've worked, even charities you've raised thousands for in the hope that they silence you.

All of the above happened to me.
 
GazzaG said:
Easy enough to say mate.

See when you do stand up, you get your profile sent around CSCs worldwide in the hope of finding out who you are.
You get ill phil and the hag retweeting to their followers.
You get them posting pictures of your children.
They contact people you know, places you've worked, even charities you've raised thousands for in the hope that they silence you.

All of the above happened to me.
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Pity they can't do the same to the perpetrators, enablers, and hiders of the evil acts that were done to their own Celtic Boys Club school kids by officials there and Celtic F.C.
 
jacobite said:
This has all the hallmarks of a whitewash with no club in particular to blame and it being a societal problem. Go on Mr. Henry surprise me and tell us what you really discovered.
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They will be digging a deeper hole for themselves if they whitewash this report. Not only are media from other countries taking notice, the victims/survivors themselves are becoming organised, and in solidarity are going to fight for an enquiry.

We will see from this report how willing the sfa are to continue avoiding the elephant in the room.
 
Transparency and truth is what's required, unfortunately this doesn't suite the agenda of Government authorities, Football authorities or the smsm. The dereliction of duty by these organisations over decades is an absolute disgrace. Their part of infamous history will never leave their conscience.
 
GazzaG said:
Easy enough to say mate.

See when you do stand up, you get your profile sent around CSCs worldwide in the hope of finding out who you are.
You get ill phil and the hag retweeting to their followers.
You get them posting pictures of your children.
They contact people you know, places you've worked, even charities you've raised thousands for in the hope that they silence you.

All of the above happened to me.
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OK, in that case don't engage them, simply delete them from your Facebook, any other social media contact, and from your life altogether.
Why tolerate utter scum who despise you for what you are, who would gang up on you at a moment's notice, while at the same time they themselves continue to cover up for child rapists?
And if they ask why you've dropped them then let them know.
You'll feel so much better for not having these sad, sanctimonious bastards polluting your everyday life.
 
GazzaG said:
Easy enough to say mate.

See when you do stand up, you get your profile sent around CSCs worldwide in the hope of finding out who you are.
You get ill phil and the hag retweeting to their followers.
You get them posting pictures of your children.
They contact people you know, places you've worked, even charities you've raised thousands for in the hope that they silence you.

All of the above happened to me.
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Scary. Absolute weirdos. Well done for getting through all that.
 
I took the hit, copy and pasted their most recent deny and deflect article.

Pt 1

After 131 days of not being able to watch Celtic, the record equalling 9-in-a-row Scottish champions take to the field tonight in a pre-season friendly against French side Nice in the Veolia Trophy. But for some in the Scottish media it is the right time to highlight the horrible crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club once again.

Once more we are seeing a trial-by-media mentality within the Scottish media when it comes to Celtic Football Club fuelled by an ambulance chasing lawyer — who is doing all he can to avoid the courtroom — and a venemous fan base from across the city looking to stop Celtic, from continuing their dominance, by any means necessary.

But now former Talksport and BBC journalist, Adrian Goldberg, looks to produce a documentary on the crimes committed by those at Celtic Boys Club and links to Celtic Football Club, with a date of September for publication.

Sadly for Goldberg and Laurence Lennard — director of the documentary — it has already been hijacked by bitter and twisted Rangers fans who ploughed donation after donation into their GoFundme page raising £15,000 in the process. Not that they’d care who donated given they have reached their total in record time.

While I cannot testify to the reasons behind Goldberg and Lennard’s production of such a documentary, there are plenty of reasons why Rangers fans have in their thousands donated £15000 to their fundraising page and it has nothing to do with justice for the victims.

There are also question marks around why such a documentary is focusing firmly on Celtic Boys Club and links to Celtic FC, rather than encompassing abuse in Scottish Football or British Football as a whole — given the huge number of victims and perpetrators across the game. I’ve asked Goldberg the reasons behind this but have yet to receive a response from him.


Goldberg has already dipped his toe into the Child Abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club on his podcast two weeks ago, racking up over 5000 hits in the process. The biggest listenership of any of his podcast episodes to date. From a podcast show with only 57 followers on Soundcloud that is pretty impressive — until you look at who is boosting the numbers from his usual listener base. The same people donating to his documentary. The same people weaponising child abuse for their own sick agendas, the same people who ignore the crimes committed by their own club employees [Neely, Dunn, Chalmers & Watson] while venomously spewing their bile about crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club.

Goldberg, in quotes to the Evening Times today, claimed: “I’m conscious some elements of this story have been told before. I want to take it somewhere else and tell something new.

“I want to drive towards there being positive things in this story, no matter how hard it will be. These terrible things have happened, but how can we stop that happening again?

“I want to do justice to the victims, the survivors. I want to give meaning to their stories and to bear witness to their stories.

“People have offered their money and put their faith in me. I feel that obligation seriously and we want to deliver the best film we can.

“They feel Celtic FC and politicians haven’t always given them the respect they deserve.”

The people that have offered their money to Goldberg are not the victims of Child Abuse, they are the victims of Celtic Football Club’s dominance of the Scottish game and of their club’s inability to muster anything other than firing blanks each season when they are supposedly challenging for the title. They are the victims of their own Napoleon complex — where they believe they are superior to everyone else and that anything that they say and do is gospel. They are the victims and the perpetrators of their old club’s demise and now their new club’s inability to muster up a challenge — minus the tax dodging scams of yesteryear — has led to them weaponising the suffering and the horrors that Child abuse victims endured at the hands of the likes of Torbett, McCafferty and others for their own gain.

While Goldberg will almost certainly profit from his one-sided documentary, the profiteering for Rangers fans is trying to stop Celtic from winning 10 in a row. Trying to stop them from winning 55 titles. In the hope that anything that comes out in the media and the courts — when the ambulance chasing ‘no win no fee’ lawyer decides to eventually take his cases to the courts rather than the usual suspects in the press — will bankrupt Celtic. Will end Celtic.

The people that have put faith in Goldberg and his very one-sided documentary are not looking for justice for the victims, they don’t care about the truth. They don’t care about the rule of law or innocent until proven guilty. They don’t care about the continued suffering of the victims or their families. They don’t care that their lies and baseless claims being peddled on their forums or on social media could cause damage to potentially upcoming court cases — all they care about is ending Celtic like Rangers ended themselves thanks to their tax dodging scams, orchestrated by David Murray and his lawyer-turned-porn-actor.

Goldberg then goes on to speak about politicians and Celtic not giving these people [I guess he is now speaking about the victims and their families] the respect that they deserve. Where to begin with this claim?

Celtic have left the dealings of what happened at Celtic Boys Club to an independent investigator and the Police to uncover and investigate — without prejudice from the media, from anyone in the club, from ambulance chasing lawyers, and from bitter & twisted Rangers fans looking to weaponise every little thing negative about the club, its players, management, and fan base.

As a club, Celtic have issued a number of statements denouncing the crimes committed by those at Celtic Boys Club and have already paid compensation to one victim because of the abuse by Jim McCafferty, not because he was a coach at Celtic Boys Club, but because he worked at Celtic in their youth setup — which was and is separate from the boys club — the club were liable for that once abuse case and a court found in the favour of the victim after proceedings were undertaken and evidence heard.
 
Pt 2

Is Goldberg really wanting the rule of law and court cases to be ignored and circumvented?

We live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and to date no court in this land or elsewhere has found Celtic as a club, or as an institution, guilty of a cover-up or of being party to a paedophile ring — if you believe the bile that is posted on a daily basis from Rangers fans who can’t talk about football for 5 seconds without mentioning their obsession for such a sickening crime.

This is the same stance that the likes of bandwagon jumping SNP MSP James Dornan and Tory MSP Adam Tomkins have taken also, looking to ignore and circumvent the rule of law to pressurise Celtic into paying compensation out to victims — whether they are liable or not.



Tomkins, just like his fellow Rangers supporters, have weaponised the abuse scandal to target Celtic Football Club, to not only play party politics against the Scottish Government, but also to target chief executive Peter Lawwell on social media — simply because he didn’t meet up with him when he demanded to. But when reports of crimes committed by Rangers employees were published in numerous media reports, the very vocal crusader Tomkins disappeared going AWOL and to date he has still steadfastly or should that be staunchly refused to comment on his own club and the abusers employed by it.

Then you have the Grays. A family mourning the loss of their son and brother, a victim of Torbett. A man who lost his life after a tragic swimming pool accident in Australia while on holiday, who never got to see the justice that he deserved. That is where my heartfelt sympathies end for the family.

Sadly for Andrew, his mother and sister have allied themselves with Rangers fans weaponising the abuse and suffering he endured for their own gain. In fact, his mother’s twitter account has been handed over to a well-known Rangers social media troll while his sister Michelle — who is coincidentally one of the people speaking to Goldberg in his documentary — obsessively comments, likes, and favourites any tweets that mentions or even has a hint of Celtic and child abuse in the context. Not caring one iota if what she is interacting with is true or not. The comments made and the language used by Michelle Grey and her ‘mother’ will do nothing to boost their case and instead help to prejudice the case before it even gets to court, and I am surprised that the previously mentioned ambulance chasing lawyer has not taken them to one side and explained this to them — unless it is part of his strategy?

In fact, the Greys are so interwoven with the Rangers fans weaponising Andrew’s abuse that they now use the horde of social media Rangers child abuse obsessed trolls to target individual Celtic fans who question their motives over working hand-in-knuckles with Rangers fans. To the point where a number of people have had to report threats and abuse to Police.

Goldberg, in a roundabout way, claims that the Greys are not afforded the respect that they deserve — I’m sorry but the only person that should be afforded such respect is the victim, Andrew. Sadly it can only be posthumously. Michelle Grey and her ‘mothers’ willingness to use Rangers fans weaponising the abuse meted out to their son deserves no respect at all. Their conduct and language on social media towards Celtic fans deserves no respect at all, and their staunch refusal to comment on anything related to Rangers and child abuse deserves no respect at all. A fan base who ignored their own club telling a child abuse victim, that the suffering and horrors that he endured had nothing to do with them and to go speak to the liquidators — as they tried to play the club/company card to escape fronting up to their potential liability that Rangers fans demand Celtic do so venomously.

The Rangers supporters, who obsess 24/7 over the crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club and turn ignorant when anyone mentions the crimes committed at Rangers, deserve no respect at all. Weaponising childrens’ suffering for your own sick agenda — because your football club isn’t good enough to win titles or trophies without cheating — is nothing but sickening and questions must be asked about their upbringing, about their own background, especially those with children themselves. In fact, these gutter dwellers should be vilified for the scum that they are.

Not one Celtic fan I know, ignores what happened at Celtic Boys Club. What these Celtic fans do though is leave it to the courts to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. They have also stated that if Celtic are found liable in a court of law that they should deservedly pay compensation and apologise to the victims. Unlike those across the city who resort to the ‘See no evil, hear no evil’ mentality when their club is involved.

These people are not real football fans, and they are certainly not activists against Child Abuse. Their hatred, their bigotry and their so-called moral crusade weaponising the suffering of child abuse victims is nothing short of disgusting.

A journalist for When Saturday Comes, and coincidentally a Rangers fan also, Anderson wrote a piece for the magazine several years ago about his fellow supporters targeting Jock Stein over the child abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club.

Anderson wrote: “The less said about the whole horrible [Torbett] affair the better, one would think. However, the chance to link Celtic’s greatest manager — no matter how tenuously — with the crime du jour of the tabloid hysteric has proved too tempting for a mindset that has recently infected sections of my club’s support.

“I have shouted and sung some pretty horrible things in my 30 years of watching Rangers. To say that I was young/drunk/caught up in the moment doesn’t let me off the hook. But at no point did I ever try to present my most hateful, knee-jerk outpourings as fact. “Big Jock Knew”, however, is being proclaimed as the gospel.

“I’m bound to ask if it’s not a horrendously confused by-product of the recent disappearance of sectarian chanting at Ibrox. The two phenomena have certainly run parallel. When ground closure or Champions League points deductions were mooted last season, anti-Catholic lyrics sung at Ibrox for decades were dropped with alacrity. This clamp-down has since been adhered to and self-policed. It has exposed, once and for all, the bluster behind so much of our support’s previous sectarian posturing. Yet such a sudden culture change on the terraces almost demands a horrible side-effect.

“You need only see the pictures and hear the testimonies of him helping with the victims of the Ibrox disaster to know about Jock Stein as a man. This is partly why, three days after his death in 1986, the entire Rangers support at Kilbowie Park, Clydebank, stood in perfect silent tribute to the manager who’d given us some of the hardest times in our history. Now, by abusing his memory, we’re doing ourselves far more damage than even Stein could manage.”

The Rangers supporters who obsess and who weaponise child abuse to beat Celtic with are only showing themselves up for what they really are — pond life.

Child abuse is a problem on a scale that many of us cannot even fathom, whether it is in Britain or the world as a whole. It must be stamped out and those perpetrating such a crime punished to the full extent of the law in their respective countries.

Rangers supporters peddling their filth, their bile, their sickening agendas on social media, on forums, on the terracing are not moral crusaders against such crimes committed against children. They don’t volunteer for charities, they don’t work in children’s charities to help alleviate their suffering of the victims. What they do predictably is celebrate with much gusto and glee when another article is published or when another documentary or investigation into Celtic Boys Club is announced. They are the only people who celebrate child abuse crimes being committed.

These are the same people that have now donated £15000 to Goldberg’s documentary, a one-sided documentary that will almost certainly not lift the lid on the Celtic Boys Club scandal that has not already been covered by the likes of the BBC and Mark Daly before. That has not already been uncovered by the court cases that found Torbett, Cairney, and McCafferty guilty.

We don’t need another one-sided hatchet job fuelled by those weaponising the crimes committed for their own sickening needs simply because it pays well via hits on a website, on a podcast, or in viewers on a youtube video.

Goldberg, as an investigative journalist, should have encompassed Scottish football as a whole when looking at child abuse in our game. It has already stretched all the way from grassroots football to the heights of the senior game to the Scottish Football Association themselves. How could child abuse become so prevalent within Scottish football and how it can be weaponised with much glee and celebration? That is the bigger story.

Or is Goldberg simply looking at how he can profit rather than the bigger picture in all of this? After all how much of that £15,000 is really going to the production of the documentary and how much of it is being used as a ‘wage’?

I doubt we will ever hear Goldberg’s reasonings behind focusing solely on Celtic Boys Club and ignoring Scottish Football as a whole. Likewise, why he did not cover the Barry Bennell child abuse scandal — which was even more prevalent than what has reportedly been uncovered in Scottish football and specifically Celtic. He has staunchly refused to comment and I doubt he ever will.

What does that say about Goldberg’s integrity and credibility as a journalist?
 
Dave570 said:
I will back you up on that mate it was always said back then that CBC was connected to Celtic and you had far more chance to get up through the ranks. Rangers BC was a completely separate entity at that time. I will admit I thought of writing in for a trial at that time but thankfully never did.
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The local Rangers boys club was a free for all as far as I can remember an
jacobite said:
This has all the hallmarks of a whitewash with no club in particular to blame and it being a societal problem. Go on Mr. Henry surprise me and tell us what you really discovered.
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You will only ever find what your looking for and this one will find what he was told to find
 
I wonder if the person who wrote the deny and deflect article has ever had a child who has been sexually abused.

Or a brother who was abused as a child.

I am going to guess no.


And it is a shame that Michelle has had to "ally with Rangers fans". Especially when Celtic fans vilify her.
 
RenfrewBear72 said:
Pt 2

Is Goldberg really wanting the rule of law and court cases to be ignored and circumvented?

We live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and to date no court in this land or elsewhere has found Celtic as a club, or as an institution, guilty of a cover-up or of being party to a paedophile ring — if you believe the bile that is posted on a daily basis from Rangers fans who can’t talk about football for 5 seconds without mentioning their obsession for such a sickening crime.

This is the same stance that the likes of bandwagon jumping SNP MSP James Dornan and Tory MSP Adam Tomkins have taken also, looking to ignore and circumvent the rule of law to pressurise Celtic into paying compensation out to victims — whether they are liable or not.



Tomkins, just like his fellow Rangers supporters, have weaponised the abuse scandal to target Celtic Football Club, to not only play party politics against the Scottish Government, but also to target chief executive Peter Lawwell on social media — simply because he didn’t meet up with him when he demanded to. But when reports of crimes committed by Rangers employees were published in numerous media reports, the very vocal crusader Tomkins disappeared going AWOL and to date he has still steadfastly or should that be staunchly refused to comment on his own club and the abusers employed by it.

Then you have the Grays. A family mourning the loss of their son and brother, a victim of Torbett. A man who lost his life after a tragic swimming pool accident in Australia while on holiday, who never got to see the justice that he deserved. That is where my heartfelt sympathies end for the family.

Sadly for Andrew, his mother and sister have allied themselves with Rangers fans weaponising the abuse and suffering he endured for their own gain. In fact, his mother’s twitter account has been handed over to a well-known Rangers social media troll while his sister Michelle — who is coincidentally one of the people speaking to Goldberg in his documentary — obsessively comments, likes, and favourites any tweets that mentions or even has a hint of Celtic and child abuse in the context. Not caring one iota if what she is interacting with is true or not. The comments made and the language used by Michelle Grey and her ‘mother’ will do nothing to boost their case and instead help to prejudice the case before it even gets to court, and I am surprised that the previously mentioned ambulance chasing lawyer has not taken them to one side and explained this to them — unless it is part of his strategy?

In fact, the Greys are so interwoven with the Rangers fans weaponising Andrew’s abuse that they now use the horde of social media Rangers child abuse obsessed trolls to target individual Celtic fans who question their motives over working hand-in-knuckles with Rangers fans. To the point where a number of people have had to report threats and abuse to Police.

Goldberg, in a roundabout way, claims that the Greys are not afforded the respect that they deserve — I’m sorry but the only person that should be afforded such respect is the victim, Andrew. Sadly it can only be posthumously. Michelle Grey and her ‘mothers’ willingness to use Rangers fans weaponising the abuse meted out to their son deserves no respect at all. Their conduct and language on social media towards Celtic fans deserves no respect at all, and their staunch refusal to comment on anything related to Rangers and child abuse deserves no respect at all. A fan base who ignored their own club telling a child abuse victim, that the suffering and horrors that he endured had nothing to do with them and to go speak to the liquidators — as they tried to play the club/company card to escape fronting up to their potential liability that Rangers fans demand Celtic do so venomously.

The Rangers supporters, who obsess 24/7 over the crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club and turn ignorant when anyone mentions the crimes committed at Rangers, deserve no respect at all. Weaponising childrens’ suffering for your own sick agenda — because your football club isn’t good enough to win titles or trophies without cheating — is nothing but sickening and questions must be asked about their upbringing, about their own background, especially those with children themselves. In fact, these gutter dwellers should be vilified for the scum that they are.

Not one Celtic fan I know, ignores what happened at Celtic Boys Club. What these Celtic fans do though is leave it to the courts to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. They have also stated that if Celtic are found liable in a court of law that they should deservedly pay compensation and apologise to the victims. Unlike those across the city who resort to the ‘See no evil, hear no evil’ mentality when their club is involved.

These people are not real football fans, and they are certainly not activists against Child Abuse. Their hatred, their bigotry and their so-called moral crusade weaponising the suffering of child abuse victims is nothing short of disgusting.

A journalist for When Saturday Comes, and coincidentally a Rangers fan also, Anderson wrote a piece for the magazine several years ago about his fellow supporters targeting Jock Stein over the child abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club.

Anderson wrote: “The less said about the whole horrible [Torbett] affair the better, one would think. However, the chance to link Celtic’s greatest manager — no matter how tenuously — with the crime du jour of the tabloid hysteric has proved too tempting for a mindset that has recently infected sections of my club’s support.

“I have shouted and sung some pretty horrible things in my 30 years of watching Rangers. To say that I was young/drunk/caught up in the moment doesn’t let me off the hook. But at no point did I ever try to present my most hateful, knee-jerk outpourings as fact. “Big Jock Knew”, however, is being proclaimed as the gospel.

“I’m bound to ask if it’s not a horrendously confused by-product of the recent disappearance of sectarian chanting at Ibrox. The two phenomena have certainly run parallel. When ground closure or Champions League points deductions were mooted last season, anti-Catholic lyrics sung at Ibrox for decades were dropped with alacrity. This clamp-down has since been adhered to and self-policed. It has exposed, once and for all, the bluster behind so much of our support’s previous sectarian posturing. Yet such a sudden culture change on the terraces almost demands a horrible side-effect.

“You need only see the pictures and hear the testimonies of him helping with the victims of the Ibrox disaster to know about Jock Stein as a man. This is partly why, three days after his death in 1986, the entire Rangers support at Kilbowie Park, Clydebank, stood in perfect silent tribute to the manager who’d given us some of the hardest times in our history. Now, by abusing his memory, we’re doing ourselves far more damage than even Stein could manage.”

The Rangers supporters who obsess and who weaponise child abuse to beat Celtic with are only showing themselves up for what they really are — pond life.

Child abuse is a problem on a scale that many of us cannot even fathom, whether it is in Britain or the world as a whole. It must be stamped out and those perpetrating such a crime punished to the full extent of the law in their respective countries.

Rangers supporters peddling their filth, their bile, their sickening agendas on social media, on forums, on the terracing are not moral crusaders against such crimes committed against children. They don’t volunteer for charities, they don’t work in children’s charities to help alleviate their suffering of the victims. What they do predictably is celebrate with much gusto and glee when another article is published or when another documentary or investigation into Celtic Boys Club is announced. They are the only people who celebrate child abuse crimes being committed.

These are the same people that have now donated £15000 to Goldberg’s documentary, a one-sided documentary that will almost certainly not lift the lid on the Celtic Boys Club scandal that has not already been covered by the likes of the BBC and Mark Daly before. That has not already been uncovered by the court cases that found Torbett, Cairney, and McCafferty guilty.

We don’t need another one-sided hatchet job fuelled by those weaponising the crimes committed for their own sickening needs simply because it pays well via hits on a website, on a podcast, or in viewers on a youtube video.

Goldberg, as an investigative journalist, should have encompassed Scottish football as a whole when looking at child abuse in our game. It has already stretched all the way from grassroots football to the heights of the senior game to the Scottish Football Association themselves. How could child abuse become so prevalent within Scottish football and how it can be weaponised with much glee and celebration? That is the bigger story.

Or is Goldberg simply looking at how he can profit rather than the bigger picture in all of this? After all how much of that £15,000 is really going to the production of the documentary and how much of it is being used as a ‘wage’?

I doubt we will ever hear Goldberg’s reasonings behind focusing solely on Celtic Boys Club and ignoring Scottish Football as a whole. Likewise, why he did not cover the Barry Bennell child abuse scandal — which was even more prevalent than what has reportedly been uncovered in Scottish football and specifically Celtic. He has staunchly refused to comment and I doubt he ever will.

What does that say about Goldberg’s integrity and credibility as a journalist?
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Enabelers drivel,sweep; sweep lurkers, oh s8it someones taken the rug!
 
RenfrewBear72 said:
Pt 2

Is Goldberg really wanting the rule of law and court cases to be ignored and circumvented?

We live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and to date no court in this land or elsewhere has found Celtic as a club, or as an institution, guilty of a cover-up or of being party to a paedophile ring — if you believe the bile that is posted on a daily basis from Rangers fans who can’t talk about football for 5 seconds without mentioning their obsession for such a sickening crime.

This is the same stance that the likes of bandwagon jumping SNP MSP James Dornan and Tory MSP Adam Tomkins have taken also, looking to ignore and circumvent the rule of law to pressurise Celtic into paying compensation out to victims — whether they are liable or not.



Tomkins, just like his fellow Rangers supporters, have weaponised the abuse scandal to target Celtic Football Club, to not only play party politics against the Scottish Government, but also to target chief executive Peter Lawwell on social media — simply because he didn’t meet up with him when he demanded to. But when reports of crimes committed by Rangers employees were published in numerous media reports, the very vocal crusader Tomkins disappeared going AWOL and to date he has still steadfastly or should that be staunchly refused to comment on his own club and the abusers employed by it.

Then you have the Grays. A family mourning the loss of their son and brother, a victim of Torbett. A man who lost his life after a tragic swimming pool accident in Australia while on holiday, who never got to see the justice that he deserved. That is where my heartfelt sympathies end for the family.

Sadly for Andrew, his mother and sister have allied themselves with Rangers fans weaponising the abuse and suffering he endured for their own gain. In fact, his mother’s twitter account has been handed over to a well-known Rangers social media troll while his sister Michelle — who is coincidentally one of the people speaking to Goldberg in his documentary — obsessively comments, likes, and favourites any tweets that mentions or even has a hint of Celtic and child abuse in the context. Not caring one iota if what she is interacting with is true or not. The comments made and the language used by Michelle Grey and her ‘mother’ will do nothing to boost their case and instead help to prejudice the case before it even gets to court, and I am surprised that the previously mentioned ambulance chasing lawyer has not taken them to one side and explained this to them — unless it is part of his strategy?

In fact, the Greys are so interwoven with the Rangers fans weaponising Andrew’s abuse that they now use the horde of social media Rangers child abuse obsessed trolls to target individual Celtic fans who question their motives over working hand-in-knuckles with Rangers fans. To the point where a number of people have had to report threats and abuse to Police.

Goldberg, in a roundabout way, claims that the Greys are not afforded the respect that they deserve — I’m sorry but the only person that should be afforded such respect is the victim, Andrew. Sadly it can only be posthumously. Michelle Grey and her ‘mothers’ willingness to use Rangers fans weaponising the abuse meted out to their son deserves no respect at all. Their conduct and language on social media towards Celtic fans deserves no respect at all, and their staunch refusal to comment on anything related to Rangers and child abuse deserves no respect at all. A fan base who ignored their own club telling a child abuse victim, that the suffering and horrors that he endured had nothing to do with them and to go speak to the liquidators — as they tried to play the club/company card to escape fronting up to their potential liability that Rangers fans demand Celtic do so venomously.

The Rangers supporters, who obsess 24/7 over the crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club and turn ignorant when anyone mentions the crimes committed at Rangers, deserve no respect at all. Weaponising childrens’ suffering for your own sick agenda — because your football club isn’t good enough to win titles or trophies without cheating — is nothing but sickening and questions must be asked about their upbringing, about their own background, especially those with children themselves. In fact, these gutter dwellers should be vilified for the scum that they are.

Not one Celtic fan I know, ignores what happened at Celtic Boys Club. What these Celtic fans do though is leave it to the courts to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. They have also stated that if Celtic are found liable in a court of law that they should deservedly pay compensation and apologise to the victims. Unlike those across the city who resort to the ‘See no evil, hear no evil’ mentality when their club is involved.

These people are not real football fans, and they are certainly not activists against Child Abuse. Their hatred, their bigotry and their so-called moral crusade weaponising the suffering of child abuse victims is nothing short of disgusting.

A journalist for When Saturday Comes, and coincidentally a Rangers fan also, Anderson wrote a piece for the magazine several years ago about his fellow supporters targeting Jock Stein over the child abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club.

Anderson wrote: “The less said about the whole horrible [Torbett] affair the better, one would think. However, the chance to link Celtic’s greatest manager — no matter how tenuously — with the crime du jour of the tabloid hysteric has proved too tempting for a mindset that has recently infected sections of my club’s support.

“I have shouted and sung some pretty horrible things in my 30 years of watching Rangers. To say that I was young/drunk/caught up in the moment doesn’t let me off the hook. But at no point did I ever try to present my most hateful, knee-jerk outpourings as fact. “Big Jock Knew”, however, is being proclaimed as the gospel.

“I’m bound to ask if it’s not a horrendously confused by-product of the recent disappearance of sectarian chanting at Ibrox. The two phenomena have certainly run parallel. When ground closure or Champions League points deductions were mooted last season, anti-Catholic lyrics sung at Ibrox for decades were dropped with alacrity. This clamp-down has since been adhered to and self-policed. It has exposed, once and for all, the bluster behind so much of our support’s previous sectarian posturing. Yet such a sudden culture change on the terraces almost demands a horrible side-effect.

“You need only see the pictures and hear the testimonies of him helping with the victims of the Ibrox disaster to know about Jock Stein as a man. This is partly why, three days after his death in 1986, the entire Rangers support at Kilbowie Park, Clydebank, stood in perfect silent tribute to the manager who’d given us some of the hardest times in our history. Now, by abusing his memory, we’re doing ourselves far more damage than even Stein could manage.”

The Rangers supporters who obsess and who weaponise child abuse to beat Celtic with are only showing themselves up for what they really are — pond life.

Child abuse is a problem on a scale that many of us cannot even fathom, whether it is in Britain or the world as a whole. It must be stamped out and those perpetrating such a crime punished to the full extent of the law in their respective countries.

Rangers supporters peddling their filth, their bile, their sickening agendas on social media, on forums, on the terracing are not moral crusaders against such crimes committed against children. They don’t volunteer for charities, they don’t work in children’s charities to help alleviate their suffering of the victims. What they do predictably is celebrate with much gusto and glee when another article is published or when another documentary or investigation into Celtic Boys Club is announced. They are the only people who celebrate child abuse crimes being committed.

These are the same people that have now donated £15000 to Goldberg’s documentary, a one-sided documentary that will almost certainly not lift the lid on the Celtic Boys Club scandal that has not already been covered by the likes of the BBC and Mark Daly before. That has not already been uncovered by the court cases that found Torbett, Cairney, and McCafferty guilty.

We don’t need another one-sided hatchet job fuelled by those weaponising the crimes committed for their own sickening needs simply because it pays well via hits on a website, on a podcast, or in viewers on a youtube video.

Goldberg, as an investigative journalist, should have encompassed Scottish football as a whole when looking at child abuse in our game. It has already stretched all the way from grassroots football to the heights of the senior game to the Scottish Football Association themselves. How could child abuse become so prevalent within Scottish football and how it can be weaponised with much glee and celebration? That is the bigger story.

Or is Goldberg simply looking at how he can profit rather than the bigger picture in all of this? After all how much of that £15,000 is really going to the production of the documentary and how much of it is being used as a ‘wage’?

I doubt we will ever hear Goldberg’s reasonings behind focusing solely on Celtic Boys Club and ignoring Scottish Football as a whole. Likewise, why he did not cover the Barry Bennell child abuse scandal — which was even more prevalent than what has reportedly been uncovered in Scottish football and specifically Celtic. He has staunchly refused to comment and I doubt he ever will.

What does that say about Goldberg’s integrity and credibility as a journalist?
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This lowlife can't even spell their name right and has a mental tic with the word weaponise.
 
AbronhillBear said:
Someone take the hit and copy and paste the article. It doesnt deserve the hits from here.
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After 131 days of not being able to watch Celtic, the record equalling 9-in-a-row Scottish champions take to the field tonight in a pre-season friendly against French side Nice in the Veolia Trophy. But for some in the Scottish media it is the right time to highlight the horrible crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club once again.
Once more we are seeing a trial-by-media mentality within the Scottish media when it comes to Celtic Football Club fuelled by an ambulance chasing lawyer — who is doing all he can to avoid the courtroom — and a venemous fan base from across the city looking to stop Celtic, from continuing their dominance, by any means necessary.
But now former Talksport and BBC journalist, Adrian Goldberg, looks to produce a documentary on the crimes committed by those at Celtic Boys Club and links to Celtic Football Club, with a date of September for publication.
Sadly for Goldberg and Laurence Lennard — director of the documentary — it has already been hijacked by bitter and twisted Rangers fans who ploughed donation after donation into their GoFundme page raising £15,000 in the process. Not that they’d care who donated given they have reached their total in record time.
While I cannot testify to the reasons behind Goldberg and Lennard’s production of such a documentary, there are plenty of reasons why Rangers fans have in their thousands donated £15000 to their fundraising page and it has nothing to do with justice for the victims.
There are also question marks around why such a documentary is focusing firmly on Celtic Boys Club and links to Celtic FC, rather than encompassing abuse in Scottish Football or British Football as a whole — given the huge number of victims and perpetrators across the game. I’ve asked Goldberg the reasons behind this but have yet to receive a response from him.
Adrian Goldberg has raised £15,000 via GoFundme to produce a documentary on the Celtic Boys Club scandal.
Goldberg has already dipped his toe into the Child Abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club on his podcast two weeks ago, racking up over 5000 hits in the process. The biggest listenership of any of his podcast episodes to date. From a podcast show with only 57 followers on Soundcloud that is pretty impressive — until you look at who is boosting the numbers from his usual listener base. The same people donating to his documentary. The same people weaponising child abuse for their own sick agendas, the same people who ignore the crimes committed by their own club employees [Neely, Dunn, Chalmers & Watson] while venomously spewing their bile about crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club.
Goldberg, in quotes to the Evening Times today, claimed: “I’m conscious some elements of this story have been told before. I want to take it somewhere else and tell something new.
“I want to drive towards there being positive things in this story, no matter how hard it will be. These terrible things have happened, but how can we stop that happening again?
“I want to do justice to the victims, the survivors. I want to give meaning to their stories and to bear witness to their stories.
“People have offered their money and put their faith in me. I feel that obligation seriously and we want to deliver the best film we can.
“They feel Celtic FC and politicians haven’t always given them the respect they deserve.”
The people that have offered their money to Goldberg are not the victims of Child Abuse, they are the victims of Celtic Football Club’s dominance of the Scottish game and of their club’s inability to muster anything other than firing blanks each season when they are supposedly challenging for the title. They are the victims of their own Napoleon complex — where they believe they are superior to everyone else and that anything that they say and do is gospel. They are the victims and the perpetrators of their old club’s demise and now their new club’s inability to muster up a challenge — minus the tax dodging scams of yesteryear — has led to them weaponising the suffering and the horrors that Child abuse victims endured at the hands of the likes of Torbett, McCafferty and others for their own gain.
While Goldberg will almost certainly profit from his one-sided documentary, the profiteering for Rangers fans is trying to stop Celtic from winning 10 in a row. Trying to stop them from winning 55 titles. In the hope that anything that comes out in the media and the courts — when the ambulance chasing ‘no win no fee’ lawyer decides to eventually take his cases to the courts rather than the usual suspects in the press — will bankrupt Celtic. Will end Celtic.
The people that have put faith in Goldberg and his very one-sided documentary are not looking for justice for the victims, they don’t care about the truth. They don’t care about the rule of law or innocent until proven guilty. They don’t care about the continued suffering of the victims or their families. They don’t care that their lies and baseless claims being peddled on their forums or on social media could cause damage to potentially upcoming court cases — all they care about is ending Celtic like Rangers ended themselves thanks to their tax dodging scams, orchestrated by David Murray and his lawyer-turned-porn-actor.
Goldberg then goes on to speak about politicians and Celtic not giving these people [I guess he is now speaking about the victims and their families] the respect that they deserve. Where to begin with this claim?
Celtic have left the dealings of what happened at Celtic Boys Club to an independent investigator and the Police to uncover and investigate — without prejudice from the media, from anyone in the club, from ambulance chasing lawyers, and from bitter & twisted Rangers fans looking to weaponise every little thing negative about the club, its players, management, and fan base.
As a club, Celtic have issued a number of statements denouncing the crimes committed by those at Celtic Boys Club and have already paid compensation to one victim because of the abuse by Jim McCafferty, not because he was a coach at Celtic Boys Club, but because he worked at Celtic in their youth setup — which was and is separate from the boys club — the club were liable for that once abuse case and a court found in the favour of the victim after proceedings were undertaken and evidence heard.
Is Goldberg really wanting the rule of law and court cases to be ignored and circumvented?
We live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and to date no court in this land or elsewhere has found Celtic as a club, or as an institution, guilty of a cover-up or of being party to a paedophile ring — if you believe the bile that is posted on a daily basis from Rangers fans who can’t talk about football for 5 seconds without mentioning their obsession for such a sickening crime.
This is the same stance that the likes of bandwagon jumping SNP MSP James Dornan and Tory MSP Adam Tomkins have taken also, looking to ignore and circumvent the rule of law to pressurise Celtic into paying compensation out to victims — whether they are liable or not.
Rangers supporting Tory MSP Adam Tomkins has played party politics with the Child abuse scandal and ignored crimes at Rangers
 
Tomkins, just like his fellow Rangers supporters, have weaponised the abuse scandal to target Celtic Football Club, to not only play party politics against the Scottish Government, but also to target chief executive Peter Lawwell on social media — simply because he didn’t meet up with him when he demanded to. But when reports of crimes committed by Rangers employees were published in numerous media reports, the very vocal crusader Tomkins disappeared going AWOL and to date he has still steadfastly or should that be staunchly refused to comment on his own club and the abusers employed by it.
Then you have the Grays. A family mourning the loss of their son and brother, a victim of Torbett. A man who lost his life after a tragic swimming pool accident in Australia while on holiday, who never got to see the justice that he deserved. That is where my heartfelt sympathies end for the family.
Sadly for Andrew, his mother and sister have allied themselves with Rangers fans weaponising the abuse and suffering he endured for their own gain. In fact, his mother’s twitter account has been handed over to a well-known Rangers social media troll while his sister Michelle — who is coincidentally one of the people speaking to Goldberg in his documentary — obsessively comments, likes, and favourites any tweets that mentions or even has a hint of Celtic and child abuse in the context. Not caring one iota if what she is interacting with is true or not. The comments made and the language used by Michelle Grey and her ‘mother’ will do nothing to boost their case and instead help to prejudice the case before it even gets to court, and I am surprised that the previously mentioned ambulance chasing lawyer has not taken them to one side and explained this to them — unless it is part of his strategy?
In fact, the Greys are so interwoven with the Rangers fans weaponising Andrew’s abuse that they now use the horde of social media Rangers child abuse obsessed trolls to target individual Celtic fans who question their motives over working hand-in-knuckles with Rangers fans. To the point where a number of people have had to report threats and abuse to Police.
Goldberg, in a roundabout way, claims that the Greys are not afforded the respect that they deserve — I’m sorry but the only person that should be afforded such respect is the victim, Andrew. Sadly it can only be posthumously. Michelle Grey and her ‘mothers’ willingness to use Rangers fans weaponising the abuse meted out to their son deserves no respect at all. Their conduct and language on social media towards Celtic fans deserves no respect at all, and their staunch refusal to comment on anything related to Rangers and child abuse deserves no respect at all. A fan base who ignored their own club telling a child abuse victim, that the suffering and horrors that he endured had nothing to do with them and to go speak to the liquidators — as they tried to play the club/company card to escape fronting up to their potential liability that Rangers fans demand Celtic do so venomously.
The Rangers supporters, who obsess 24/7 over the crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club and turn ignorant when anyone mentions the crimes committed at Rangers, deserve no respect at all. Weaponising childrens’ suffering for your own sick agenda — because your football club isn’t good enough to win titles or trophies without cheating — is nothing but sickening and questions must be asked about their upbringing, about their own background, especially those with children themselves. In fact, these gutter dwellers should be vilified for the scum that they are.
Not one Celtic fan I know, ignores what happened at Celtic Boys Club. What these Celtic fans do though is leave it to the courts to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. They have also stated that if Celtic are found liable in a court of law that they should deservedly pay compensation and apologise to the victims. Unlike those across the city who resort to the ‘See no evil, hear no evil’ mentality when their club is involved.
These people are not real football fans, and they are certainly not activists against Child Abuse. Their hatred, their bigotry and their so-called moral crusade weaponising the suffering of child abuse victims is nothing short of disgusting.
A journalist for When Saturday Comes, and coincidentally a Rangers fan also, Anderson wrote a piece for the magazine several years ago about his fellow supporters targeting Jock Stein over the child abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club.
Anderson wrote: “The less said about the whole horrible [Torbett] affair the better, one would think. However, the chance to link Celtic’s greatest manager — no matter how tenuously — with the crime du jour of the tabloid hysteric has proved too tempting for a mindset that has recently infected sections of my club’s support.

“I have shouted and sung some pretty horrible things in my 30 years of watching Rangers. To say that I was young/drunk/caught up in the moment doesn’t let me off the hook. But at no point did I ever try to present my most hateful, knee-jerk outpourings as fact. “Big Jock Knew”, however, is being proclaimed as the gospel.
“I’m bound to ask if it’s not a horrendously confused by-product of the recent disappearance of sectarian chanting at Ibrox. The two phenomena have certainly run parallel. When ground closure or Champions League points deductions were mooted last season, anti-Catholic lyrics sung at Ibrox for decades were dropped with alacrity. This clamp-down has since been adhered to and self-policed. It has exposed, once and for all, the bluster behind so much of our support’s previous sectarian posturing. Yet such a sudden culture change on the terraces almost demands a horrible side-effect.
“You need only see the pictures and hear the testimonies of him helping with the victims of the Ibrox disaster to know about Jock Stein as a man. This is partly why, three days after his death in 1986, the entire Rangers support at Kilbowie Park, Clydebank, stood in perfect silent tribute to the manager who’d given us some of the hardest times in our history. Now, by abusing his memory, we’re doing ourselves far more damage than even Stein could manage.”
The Rangers supporters who obsess and who weaponise child abuse to beat Celtic with are only showing themselves up for what they really are — pond life.
Child abuse is a problem on a scale that many of us cannot even fathom, whether it is in Britain or the world as a whole. It must be stamped out and those perpetrating such a crime punished to the full extent of the law in their respective countries.
Rangers supporters peddling their filth, their bile, their sickening agendas on social media, on forums, on the terracing are not moral crusaders against such crimes committed against children. They don’t volunteer for charities, they don’t work in children’s charities to help alleviate their suffering of the victims. What they do predictably is celebrate with much gusto and glee when another article is published or when another documentary or investigation into Celtic Boys Club is announced. They are the only people who celebrate child abuse crimes being committed.
These are the same people that have now donated £15000 to Goldberg’s documentary, a one-sided documentary that will almost certainly not lift the lid on the Celtic Boys Club scandal that has not already been covered by the likes of the BBC and Mark Daly before. That has not already been uncovered by the court cases that found Torbett, Cairney, and McCafferty guilty.
We don’t need another one-sided hatchet job fuelled by those weaponising the crimes committed for their own sickening needs simply because it pays well via hits on a website, on a podcast, or in viewers on a youtube video.
Goldberg, as an investigative journalist, should have encompassed Scottish football as a whole when looking at child abuse in our game. It has already stretched all the way from grassroots football to the heights of the senior game to the Scottish Football Association themselves. How could child abuse become so prevalent within Scottish football and how it can be weaponised with much glee and celebration? That is the bigger story.
Or is Goldberg simply looking at how he can profit rather than the bigger picture in all of this? After all how much of that £15,000 is really going to the production of the documentary and how much of it is being used as a ‘wage’?
I doubt we will ever hear Goldberg’s reasonings behind focusing solely on Celtic Boys Club and ignoring Scottish Football as a whole. Likewise, why he did not cover the Barry Bennell child abuse scandal — which was even more prevalent than what has reportedly been uncovered in Scottish football and specifically Celtic. He has staunchly refused to comment and I doubt he ever will.
What does that say about Goldberg’s integrity and credibility as a journalist?
 
Snakehips said:
The truth is they can’t handle it. I have had a few conversations with a few of them on it, and on one occasion I thought it was going to get physical, the guy was foaming at the mouth and nearly greeting. On another occasion the name Neely was mentioned in an attempt at a little dig, even though I had not broached the subject beforehand, they were left in no doubt what their club had done, and that the directors of the club between the 60s and the 90s, and even the current mob, had a LOT to answer for.

They know fine well there is no comparison whatsoever to what happened at their club with any other club in Scotland, but they just can’t admit it. No point discussing it with them, you can present the facts clear as daylight but they are so warped, and so ashamed, that it will make no difference.

The Lisbon Lions, Dalglish, Maley, the Jungle, Stein, Seville, 9IAR, Larsson, McNeill, not to mention a massive fan base and numerous trophies over a long history. All overshadowed forever by the vilest thing a human can do, they will forever be known for it, and there is nothing they can do about it. All they can attempt to do is drag us down with them, but it is futile and they know it. It hurts them, right to the core, so they just try to deny and deflect, that is the only way they can deal with it.

They can shout Sevco as loud as they want, they can swan about in their new Adidas attire, they can use all the shamrock and trophy emojis they want, they can glorify terrorism and be the most racist club in Scotland, pillorying any form of establishment, whilst pretending to be the most liberal, tolerant of clubs with some sort of moral authority. They truly believe in their cause, that their club is intertwined with that religion, despite the majority not practising it nor visiting churches unless for an occasion. In short, they are truly deluded.

But we know. They know. And everybody else knows.

Celtic FC will forever be tainted with the foul stench of paedophilia, and covering it up on many occasions. It will never go away.
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Well said mate 100% on the money
 
RenfrewBear72 said:
Pt 2

Is Goldberg really wanting the rule of law and court cases to be ignored and circumvented?

We live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty and to date no court in this land or elsewhere has found Celtic as a club, or as an institution, guilty of a cover-up or of being party to a paedophile ring — if you believe the bile that is posted on a daily basis from Rangers fans who can’t talk about football for 5 seconds without mentioning their obsession for such a sickening crime.

This is the same stance that the likes of bandwagon jumping SNP MSP James Dornan and Tory MSP Adam Tomkins have taken also, looking to ignore and circumvent the rule of law to pressurise Celtic into paying compensation out to victims — whether they are liable or not.



Tomkins, just like his fellow Rangers supporters, have weaponised the abuse scandal to target Celtic Football Club, to not only play party politics against the Scottish Government, but also to target chief executive Peter Lawwell on social media — simply because he didn’t meet up with him when he demanded to. But when reports of crimes committed by Rangers employees were published in numerous media reports, the very vocal crusader Tomkins disappeared going AWOL and to date he has still steadfastly or should that be staunchly refused to comment on his own club and the abusers employed by it.

Then you have the Grays. A family mourning the loss of their son and brother, a victim of Torbett. A man who lost his life after a tragic swimming pool accident in Australia while on holiday, who never got to see the justice that he deserved. That is where my heartfelt sympathies end for the family.

Sadly for Andrew, his mother and sister have allied themselves with Rangers fans weaponising the abuse and suffering he endured for their own gain. In fact, his mother’s twitter account has been handed over to a well-known Rangers social media troll while his sister Michelle — who is coincidentally one of the people speaking to Goldberg in his documentary — obsessively comments, likes, and favourites any tweets that mentions or even has a hint of Celtic and child abuse in the context. Not caring one iota if what she is interacting with is true or not. The comments made and the language used by Michelle Grey and her ‘mother’ will do nothing to boost their case and instead help to prejudice the case before it even gets to court, and I am surprised that the previously mentioned ambulance chasing lawyer has not taken them to one side and explained this to them — unless it is part of his strategy?

In fact, the Greys are so interwoven with the Rangers fans weaponising Andrew’s abuse that they now use the horde of social media Rangers child abuse obsessed trolls to target individual Celtic fans who question their motives over working hand-in-knuckles with Rangers fans. To the point where a number of people have had to report threats and abuse to Police.

Goldberg, in a roundabout way, claims that the Greys are not afforded the respect that they deserve — I’m sorry but the only person that should be afforded such respect is the victim, Andrew. Sadly it can only be posthumously. Michelle Grey and her ‘mothers’ willingness to use Rangers fans weaponising the abuse meted out to their son deserves no respect at all. Their conduct and language on social media towards Celtic fans deserves no respect at all, and their staunch refusal to comment on anything related to Rangers and child abuse deserves no respect at all. A fan base who ignored their own club telling a child abuse victim, that the suffering and horrors that he endured had nothing to do with them and to go speak to the liquidators — as they tried to play the club/company card to escape fronting up to their potential liability that Rangers fans demand Celtic do so venomously.

The Rangers supporters, who obsess 24/7 over the crimes committed at Celtic Boys Club and turn ignorant when anyone mentions the crimes committed at Rangers, deserve no respect at all. Weaponising childrens’ suffering for your own sick agenda — because your football club isn’t good enough to win titles or trophies without cheating — is nothing but sickening and questions must be asked about their upbringing, about their own background, especially those with children themselves. In fact, these gutter dwellers should be vilified for the scum that they are.

Not one Celtic fan I know, ignores what happened at Celtic Boys Club. What these Celtic fans do though is leave it to the courts to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. They have also stated that if Celtic are found liable in a court of law that they should deservedly pay compensation and apologise to the victims. Unlike those across the city who resort to the ‘See no evil, hear no evil’ mentality when their club is involved.

These people are not real football fans, and they are certainly not activists against Child Abuse. Their hatred, their bigotry and their so-called moral crusade weaponising the suffering of child abuse victims is nothing short of disgusting.

A journalist for When Saturday Comes, and coincidentally a Rangers fan also, Anderson wrote a piece for the magazine several years ago about his fellow supporters targeting Jock Stein over the child abuse scandal at Celtic Boys Club.

Anderson wrote: “The less said about the whole horrible [Torbett] affair the better, one would think. However, the chance to link Celtic’s greatest manager — no matter how tenuously — with the crime du jour of the tabloid hysteric has proved too tempting for a mindset that has recently infected sections of my club’s support.

“I have shouted and sung some pretty horrible things in my 30 years of watching Rangers. To say that I was young/drunk/caught up in the moment doesn’t let me off the hook. But at no point did I ever try to present my most hateful, knee-jerk outpourings as fact. “Big Jock Knew”, however, is being proclaimed as the gospel.

“I’m bound to ask if it’s not a horrendously confused by-product of the recent disappearance of sectarian chanting at Ibrox. The two phenomena have certainly run parallel. When ground closure or Champions League points deductions were mooted last season, anti-Catholic lyrics sung at Ibrox for decades were dropped with alacrity. This clamp-down has since been adhered to and self-policed. It has exposed, once and for all, the bluster behind so much of our support’s previous sectarian posturing. Yet such a sudden culture change on the terraces almost demands a horrible side-effect.

“You need only see the pictures and hear the testimonies of him helping with the victims of the Ibrox disaster to know about Jock Stein as a man. This is partly why, three days after his death in 1986, the entire Rangers support at Kilbowie Park, Clydebank, stood in perfect silent tribute to the manager who’d given us some of the hardest times in our history. Now, by abusing his memory, we’re doing ourselves far more damage than even Stein could manage.”

The Rangers supporters who obsess and who weaponise child abuse to beat Celtic with are only showing themselves up for what they really are — pond life.

Child abuse is a problem on a scale that many of us cannot even fathom, whether it is in Britain or the world as a whole. It must be stamped out and those perpetrating such a crime punished to the full extent of the law in their respective countries.

Rangers supporters peddling their filth, their bile, their sickening agendas on social media, on forums, on the terracing are not moral crusaders against such crimes committed against children. They don’t volunteer for charities, they don’t work in children’s charities to help alleviate their suffering of the victims. What they do predictably is celebrate with much gusto and glee when another article is published or when another documentary or investigation into Celtic Boys Club is announced. They are the only people who celebrate child abuse crimes being committed.

These are the same people that have now donated £15000 to Goldberg’s documentary, a one-sided documentary that will almost certainly not lift the lid on the Celtic Boys Club scandal that has not already been covered by the likes of the BBC and Mark Daly before. That has not already been uncovered by the court cases that found Torbett, Cairney, and McCafferty guilty.

We don’t need another one-sided hatchet job fuelled by those weaponising the crimes committed for their own sickening needs simply because it pays well via hits on a website, on a podcast, or in viewers on a youtube video.

Goldberg, as an investigative journalist, should have encompassed Scottish football as a whole when looking at child abuse in our game. It has already stretched all the way from grassroots football to the heights of the senior game to the Scottish Football Association themselves. How could child abuse become so prevalent within Scottish football and how it can be weaponised with much glee and celebration? That is the bigger story.

Or is Goldberg simply looking at how he can profit rather than the bigger picture in all of this? After all how much of that £15,000 is really going to the production of the documentary and how much of it is being used as a ‘wage’?

I doubt we will ever hear Goldberg’s reasonings behind focusing solely on Celtic Boys Club and ignoring Scottish Football as a whole. Likewise, why he did not cover the Barry Bennell child abuse scandal — which was even more prevalent than what has reportedly been uncovered in Scottish football and specifically Celtic. He has staunchly refused to comment and I doubt he ever will.

What does that say about Goldberg’s integrity and credibility as a journalist?
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Lacking in one thing, THE TRUTH.

I have nothing more to say on this.
 
So,
1/ CFC and CBC are separate entities
2/ Weaponising CSA is part of plot to stop CFC dominance.
3/ Why pick on CFC coz every club is involved.
Okaay.........
I believe 1/ has been shown on here to be false.
2/ Does he expect us to say nothing because in their view raising the issue is worse than the issue itself ?
3/ False equivalency and also where else was it going on to such an extent over so long a period involving so many individuals because it was COVERED UP ?
Now it looks like there is way enough evidence to destroy the separate entity myth, it is important to amass particular and detailed evidence of the cover up.
 
Simply a Bear said:
They will be digging a deeper hole for themselves if they whitewash this report. Not only are media from other countries taking notice, the victims/survivors themselves are becoming organised, and in solidarity are going to fight for an enquiry.

We will see from this report how willing the sfa are to continue avoiding the elephant in the room.
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They have the chance to nail it with this report but I just can't see the handpicked Mr. Henry being the man to do what anyone in his position should do. If you're a guy with skeletons in your cupboard then you are easy prey to that lot. Of course he could be squeaky clean and give a totally honest appraisal but I reckon there's a good reason why he, of all people, got the gig.
 
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