Chris Jack - "Aston Villa on course to name Rangers boss Steven Gerrard as manager"

This 1 trophy in 9 nonsense is exactly that, nonsense.

I think we can all agree that he inherited a crap team and a dysfunctional club.

With that, any fair minded person would accept writing off the first season as a transitional period. So there’s 3 out of the 9 gone already.

And then I think it’s fair to say that last season the league got stopped early, so hardly worth mentioning that trophy, another 1 out of the 9.

Just with those examples, we are now looking at having won 1 out of 5.

And it was by far the biggest one.
 
Hurricane Run said:
Cant it be both though? He has done an excellent job turning us around. He delivered 55 which was probably the most important title since our 9iar, for many reasons - but he also underperformed in the cups. He managed a team that went a league season without a loss, yet we managed to lose in 2 cups to St Mirren and St Johnstone. In my opinion he did an excellent job, but i think people are being disingenuous if they think he couldnt have done more.

I say this as someone who is on record saying i dont care what manner he left. Hes still a legend to me. I just think without the blinders, he wasnt infallible.

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Absolutely. I’m not sure where this nonsense about only focusing on the negative is coming from. I’ve given him plenty of praise on a day where it’s not easy to just remember the positives. But why should anyone gloss over the cup showings and how the hell are cold hard facts Timmy porn? I thought people deluding themselves and pretend it’s something it isn’t was more of a Timmy trait.
 
Scaramanga said:
Absolutely. I’m not sure where this nonsense about only focusing on the negative is coming from. I’ve given him plenty of praise on a day where it’s not easy to just remember the positives. But why should anyone gloss over the cup showings and how the hell are cold hard facts Timmy porn? I thought people deluding themselves and pretend it’s something it isn’t was more of a Timmy trait.
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Yeah i agree. Celtic haven't beaten us since 2019. 2 full calendar years (which he deserves enormous credit for btw), but given thats the case, shouldn't we have won a trophy or two more? Imo yes.

Im not going to tear the man down, he did a remarkable job overall, but i think he underachieved in the cups. I dont think thats an irrational opinion at all.
 
Hurricane Run said:
Yeah i agree. Celtic haven't beaten us since 2019. 2 full calendar years (which he deserves enormous credit for btw), but given thats the case, shouldn't we have won a trophy or two more? Imo yes.

Im not going to tear the man down, he did a remarkable job overall, but i think he underachieved in the cups. I dont think thats an irrational opinion at all.
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I agree completely. If I didn’t rate what he did here, then I wouldn’t be sitting here right now feeing really let down by his exit. I love the fact he had us at a point where we went into OF games confident and they went into them shitting themselves. I love that can go into European ties with some confidence.

But this “1 in 9 is nonsense/ it’s Timmy porn” chat, what a load of shite. We’ve went out of cups 5 times to sides with a fraction of our spend, and last seasons cup exits were dire given our league form and the fact the scum were already out of both cups at the point at which we were eliminated. The cups were shite and we should have had more than 1 trophy in the bag.
 
bilkobear said:
I get the impression that you just can't come to terms with his departure.
Your attack on him reminds me of a woman scorned.

The turnaround was never going to be simple.
It was always going to take years and even at that, it was never guaranteed.
For every penny he spent the Tims still outspent him.
He was basically building from the foundations up, all they had to do was a bit of decorating.
There is simply no comparison to the difference in where the two clubs were when Gerrard took over.

However, for every shitty Scottish tinpot cup he missed out on, the more important work to our profile and finances were being gained as we progressed in Europe and brought in the funds that would strengthen our player pool and achieve the profile beyond our shores that made these essential players keen to come.
This is the real work that you naively and immaturely ignore.
These were the real hard yards that mattered in ways that cups didn't.

As we were grinding out results against the likes of Porto, Villareal and Benfica, the clowns in the press were applauding a St Johnstone manager winning two cups, but these clowns have little awareness of where the real silver is found that makes a club great.
Oh, and in terms of our club, Steven Gerrard restored the glitter that makes us great indeed.

The cups will come and they will come because we have the players and the underpinning that will allow us to compete for them whilst still being relevant in Europe where people actually take notice of us far more than in any cup final.

The billionaires at Aston Villa know what Gerrard achieved they understand where to look and they don't pay attention to those who daily spend their time scribbling nonsense to undermine everything at Ibrox in order to salve their prejudice and hatred of our club.

I suggest that although you feel raw about his departure, you don't fall into media traps that our enemies set for unwary Rangers supporters.
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That is possibly the most sanguine post I’ve read on here during the last 48hrs.

Chapeau.
 
Kylegib said:
You're logic isn't making much sense, hypothetically if he won 3league cups and 3 Scottish cups but failed to win the league would that have made him more successful in your eyes. I can safely say every single fan I've met wanted that league title more than any other and for managing to deliver that against all the odds makes Gerrard an absolute legend in my eyes.
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Logic? When have I ever indicated that I’d swap a league title for a few domestic trophies? You’ve pulled that out your arse, which I think is the same place you’ve pulled the idea that the board didn’t back him sufficiently. I’m still waiting for you to tell me how they could have gotten him those extra funds on top of all the cash they already fronted for him.

His record in cups was crap, he should have won a couple of them at the very least, that’s it really. It’s fine if you see him as a legend, I think it makes you seem like a bit of a cuck given the nature of his exit (particularly with blaming the board and completely absolving Gerrard added to the mix); and of course the fact you previously stated that you’d be willing and ready to allow him a 4th season should he have went 3 seasons without a trophy. At this point it just feels like you’re more of a Gerrard fan than a Rangers fan, and surely to god you can see why.
 
Rangers sacked Scot Symon when we were top of the league after a draw with Dunfermline via an intermediary. Does that sound like an honourable way to do business? It doesn’t to me. But I’m not going to naively say that such things don’t or shouldn’t happen in life and in football. Yes, Gerrard has left under a cloud and his comments may seem disingenuous at the moment, but business is business and when push comes to shove, there is little room for sentiment. Shitty I know, but that’s life.

I have it on good authority from the old boy that we never fully recovered from Symon’s sacking for nigh on decade until ‘75. The board must ensure that a similar fate does not befall us now. I’m confident that despite some uneasiness due to their previous hiring record, they’ll get it right and we will go on to have more success.

Stevie did us a turn and has decided that he’s had his fill for whatever reason. We need to reluctantly accept it (like the board appear to have done) and move on.
 
Scaramanga said:
Absolutely. I’m not sure where this nonsense about only focusing on the negative is coming from. I’ve given him plenty of praise on a day where it’s not easy to just remember the positives. But why should anyone gloss over the cup showings and how the hell are cold hard facts Timmy porn? I thought people deluding themselves and pretend it’s something it isn’t was more of a Timmy trait.
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Lets look at the cup failures then

1st season defeats in both cups to the Sheep. Umar Sadiqs swandive in the LC and a Glen Kamara brainfart in a replay that Clancy booked Alfie in both games so that he missed the Semi against them.

2nd season was the last time they beat us to this day, we couldn't have done anymore that day penalty aside and Lurch having a Goramesque game. Defeat to Hearts was terrible and Id say SG was for chucking it after that game and who would have blamed him then.

Last season we lost because of over rotation against St Mirren and St Johnstone you need to mark the 6'3 Guy in the luminous green strip & less said about the pens the better.

Gerrards performances in Europe which has allowed us to sign players that he couldn't have done on Scottish or League Cup prize money.

The 1 in 9 stuff while maybe factually correct is purely a stick to beat Rangers with and to downplay & demean our achievements.
 
Bknowe said:
Lets look at the cup failures then

1st season defeats in both cups to the Sheep. Umar Sadiqs swandive in the LC and a Glen Kamara brainfart in a replay that Clancy booked Alfie in both games so that he missed the Semi against them.

2nd season was the last time they beat us to this day, we couldn't have done anymore that day penalty aside and Lurch having a Goramesque game. Defeat to Hearts was terrible and Id say SG was for chucking it after that game and who would have blamed him then.

Last season we lost because of over rotation against St Mirren and St Johnstone you need to mark the 6'3 Guy in the luminous green strip & less said about the pens the better.

Gerrards performances in Europe which has allowed us to sign players that he couldn't have done on Scottish or League Cup prize money.

The 1 in 9 stuff while maybe factually correct is purely a stick to beat Rangers with and to downplay & demean our achievements.
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I’m at a loss. How is that downplaying his achievements? It’s factual, it’s reality, it happened. The cup exits were dismal, we should had a cup or two in the bag. That doesn’t make 55 any less of an achievement, but it clearly does impact on how you asses his tenure overall. Downplaying his achievements would be saying he got lucky in Europe or that an invincible season isn’t all that impressive. Which nobody is doing.

But let’s go all Walter Mitty and ignore the cup exits and pretend they never happened, it’s only trophies and since when do we concern ourselves with those at Rangers…
 
bilkobear said:
I fully take your point.
However, I was demeaning them in order to emphasise where our real success to build the club back up came from.
It was in Europe, and this needs to said time and time again, because so many fail to understand that this is what really mattered to the build and the press continually ignores this important positive to always themselves emphasise the cups as a huge negative.

The cups are a great day out for the fans and yes I understand the tradition, but the club going into the future needs Europe as a building block to financial stability and growth because that is where the money and the profile are to be found.

Apart from the trophy count that we run against the Filth, and I get that as well, the fact is, if we reached deep into European competition every season and won the league but no cups, the club would prosper much more than failing in Europe and winning trebles.
But that is being a bit pragmatic and we are all fans, so yes, we must win cups as well.
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This

In todays Scottish Football, winning the Scottish or League Cups are a bonus.

The accounts released last week should show that winning the League and Europe should be Rangers priority going forward until we can get rid of the half wits in charge of Scottish Football and get people in who actually know how to market a product that benefits the game.
 
Scaramanga said:
I’m at a loss. How is that downplaying his achievements? It’s factual, it’s reality, it happened. The cup exits were dismal, we should had a cup or two in the bag. That doesn’t make 55 any less of an achievement, but it clearly does impact on how you asses his tenure overall. Downplaying his achievements would be saying he got lucky in Europe or that an invincible season isn’t all that impressive. Which nobody is doing.

But let’s go all Walter Mitty and ignore the cup exits and pretend they never happened, it’s only trophies and since when do we concern ourselves with those at Rangers…
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Mate every manager in my lifetime has been knocked out of cups. Hamilton under Souness, Falkirk under Sir Walter, Dunfermline after when Le Guen got the bump. They dont get cast up against those managers. We haven't won a treble since Eck in 03.

The League and Europe should be what we base success on now because thats where the money is. A 6 figure sum for winning a domestic cup doesn't pay the bills.

Gerrard did what he was hired to do, win 55 and he gave us our name back in Europe as a bonus. He is also the reason theres a CL place for the SPFL winners next season.

Im not happy he left. You clearly are really not happy about it and that is fine but spare us the nonsense. Put it this way had Gerrard won 3 cup doubles and the filth won 10, Gerrard would have been sacked for not winning the League.

I know what Id rather have happen.
 
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