Shame. Saw on the Chilean news they were pushing for it to be in Santiago.Paraguay
According to No todo pasa programme on TyC the preferred options for CONMEBOL are:
1. Dec 8 or 9 in Doha with supporters.
2. In Asuncion behind closed doors.
No idea how true..
If it’s here I’ll try my best to get ticketsShame. Saw on the Chilean news they were pushing for it to be in Santiago.
Would have been a laugh trying to get tickets.
It's been well over a decade since I've been in a proper football riot.
If it’s here I’ll try my best to get tickets
Still waiting on that call, you can reverse the charges if you want LOL
UPDATE
• Asunción is apparently out of the recognition of possible hosts for the CL finals game.
New front runners:
Miami and Doha
[per @Cynegeticus]
Sorry to hear that, I hope she has a full recoveryI honestly didn't forget mate. Wife was in the hospital with a lung infarct, was touch and go for a while.
The difference between Santos and River were that the latter actually wrote to CONMEBOL to check (and had written confirmation of doing so). As far as I'm aware Santos didn't - they apparently checked the new online system. CONMEBOL stuffed up but I don't see how this can be used to attack River. If we received written confirmation that a player was available and later discovered UEFA had made the mistake I wouldn't expect us to be punished.
2 games extra and 50K is an additional punishment. Whilst the additional punishment could have been more severe I don't expect River (or any other club) to be thrown out due to this.
There is a difference, in any crime, if it is planned or spontaneous. That is why there is variability in sentencing when the result may be the same.
I get that River will and deserve to be punished. I disagree that the punishment should be a walkover.
It should be held in South America, but surely of those two Miami makes far more sense than fucking Doha?!
River lost that right when the fans panned in the team bus tbf.Moving the venue to me in utter bullsh*t.
Takes away home advantage for one team shouldn't be on imo.
Yawwwn.....is this non event still being discussed ? Zero credibility and zero interest now.
They bottled it from playing the game in monumental , everything else now is a farcical let down damp squib . The game will be awful .
Let’s forget about it, nobody is bothered now.
Bit like your post then. No?Yawwwn.....is this non event still being discussed ? Zero credibility and zero interest now.
They bottled it from playing the game in monumental , everything else now is a farcical let down damp squib . The game will be awful .
Let’s forget about it, nobody is bothered now.
Yawwwn.....is this non event still being discussed ? Zero credibility and zero interest now.
They bottled it from playing the game in monumental , everything else now is a farcical let down damp squib . The game will be awful .
Let’s forget about it, nobody is bothered now.
I hesitate to wade in as I don’t feel I know enough of the detail re this incident or previous incidents but your post seems absolutely spot on to me.
In a way this whole episode speaks to the untamed madness of Argieball you and BB have conveyed in the other thread but it’s really sad it’s come to this in what would have been a unprecedented fixture.
The RP fans who were involved have to take responsibility but there are idiots all over. You just think had the authorities put some decent security arrangements in place we would have had a great game of football on Saturday with the aggro confined to the park between the players.
Should punish River regardless to play in that monstrosity of a tournament....minus the FIFA sponsorship ££ of courseI'd be extremely disappointed if it ends up in Doha. At least keep it in South America.
They should send the winners of the Copa Sudamericana to the World Club Championship.
River lost that right when the fans panned in the team bus tbf.
I honestly didn't forget mate. Wife was in the hospital with a lung infarct, was touch and go for a while.
On a slightly lighter note, maybe they shouldn't ask Diego his opinion on this current clusterfuck if this is the best he can come up with!
https://twitter.com/espnuk/status/1066991711929466880?s=12
Playing this game either in an empty stadium or a stadium on the other side of the world means probably the same thing...the magic of the event just isn't there anymore.I just think it is a crying shame if this game is played without fans.
Surely somebody will have the sense to realise that the reason the entire world wants to see this is BECAUSE of the fans, not in spite of them.
If truth be told, the quality of football is similar to CL group stages, if the first leg I watched is anything to go by. However, the fans set it well apart from almost anything you'd see in Europe.
Playing this second leg without fans would be like having to keep your clothes on riding Jessica Alba
Playing this game either in an empty stadium or a stadium on the other side of the world means probably the same thing...the magic of the event just isn't there anymore.
It really is now a Hobsons Choice situation where nobody is going to be satisfied.
My lad has a few students in BA who have tickets for the final in Estadio Monumental and they're absolutely inconsolable!...they had tickets but now there's no way they'll now get to see probably the biggest game in their lives!
I really feel for the regular normal fans that have now been denied the opportunity to see their club win the biggest match in their entire history.
I wonder if it will result in a change in the attitudes of ordinary fans/clubs towards the barra bravas.
You will know better me but I always found it 50/50 with regards the bb.
For those not aware, the BB are really criminal gangs than glorified fans. As well a controlling parking, stalls outside the ground, they are given a number of tickets for resale, etc.......they also control drugs at the ground. An example of how many tickets they get given are that for the recent (non) second leg, a police raid found 250 tickets in a house belonging to the BB. At black market prices that's worth $625,000.
In addition to this they have links to political parties which means there is lack of interest in stopping the problem.
I think it's a case of everyone turning a blind eye, enjoying the 'colour' and atmosphere while ignoring the criminality. The majority weren't going to be affected or have much interaction with them. And the origins of the groups still holds a certain 'romance' - protectors of the players/club as they traveled away from home.
Is Saturday a tipping point?
Clarin newspaper has an opinion piece stating the game should proceed in BA and that it should not be lost to the violence of a minority. It's an increasingly common response as the days pass and a game in Doha looms.
Also, doesn't look good for the World Cup bid if they can't play a game of this magnitude.
River President Rodolfo D'Onofrio held a rather feisty press conference earlier:
The latest location to be linked with hosting the Superclasico is Madrid's Bernabeu. FIFA apparently want this, but CONMEBOL aren't as keen. This may change if enough money is thrown at the proposition.
CONEMBOL will be pretty pissed off that they had to meet each other in a two legged final rather than next season when its a one off at a neutral venue.
Not so sure about this. Can you imagine the carnage in Santiago and en route with fans of Boca and River travelling to the game.
CONEMBOL will be pretty pissed off that they had to meet each other in a two legged final rather than next season when its a one off at a neutral venue.
Two games instead of one means more money and coverage. I'm sure they were delighted. Unfortunately security failure led to the current situation.
One game in neutral venue would have been easier to police than two games in Buenos Aires surely? Doubt the governing bodies would care about trouble away from the ground. It would have been easier to keep the players safe and thus the game being played.
I understand in hindsight it looks that way, but I think Boca and River fans travelling to Santiago would a logistical nightmare. The potential for serious trouble would be huge.
With no away fans, due to it being two legs, this should have been relatively easy to manage. That the police were incompetent, in how they secured the route, only goes to highlight what can happen. Can you imagine the number of police required to manage the situation if both sets of fans were at the same stadium (and surrounding areas)?
Potentially destroying a World Cup bid and the embarassment of three call offs, aye going well
You're a lot closer to me mate so you will be right, and yeah it is easy looking at it with hindsight. Sch a shame what has happened, this was genuinely one of the biggest matches of all time now it's a complete farce.
Is Argentinian football still heavily corrupt? I'm sure that wont make things easier.