el bandido
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He should have been sacked on Sunday night for subbing AriboWonder if McCallum will be getting the boot, would be unfair due to what he’s done for the B Team.
He should have been sacked on Sunday night for subbing AriboWonder if McCallum will be getting the boot, would be unfair due to what he’s done for the B Team.
He’s a coach mate, not a scoutTaking anyone of note from Ajax is a massive positive for us. Especially the cheif talent spotter.
I'm excited.
I think the attitude within supporters CAN change. There's generally 2 or 3 other teams in Holland that can challenge occasionally, like Feyenoord, PSV, AZ . In Scotland we only have the tims. We shouldn't suffer as much. Also, the rest of their league is better than the rest of ours.
We've got top class facilities that should have been churning out quality by now (and to be fair, Patterson the main one does look class, and of course Billy Gilmour). All we needed was the correct coaches and looks like we're getting it
Yeah I do understand your good point re 60 years and the cultural differences between nations and peoples and clubs but why couldn’t we put a version together across say 10-15 years ?I completely agree. I just disagree with the notion that the Ajax model is the correct model to use for us as a club. Plus it's worth noting that the Ajax model is 60 years in the making. It's not something that's been implemented relatively recently. Dutch football has always been associated with youth development. That's not something that could be said for Scottish football.
Fully behind the notion of building during fallow years. However sceptical on whether or not going fully down the road of the Ajax youth model is a good fit for us. That's all.
Agree with you there, even to the extent how they club went about getting GVB business done had all the media outlets having to guess stories rather than dealing with facts was good seeing t hem scramble for information, but was hard on us fans not knowing what was happening and tracking planes etc but was funny along the way, but main thing was no leaks from club which was nice to seeSounds like an extremely exciting appointment!
Love how the clubs operates so professionally now!
I don’t think we’ll be emulating them to anywhere near their success level anytime soon. I do hope we start to make meaningful strides towards changing and improving an area at Rangers that has been for the most part a failure.I'm highly sceptical about the attitude changing. I've seen zero evidence of that being apparent or on the cusp of happening. Just my opinion. Happy to be proven wrong.
You see that's an issue for us. The fact we only have one proper competitor for the title is a major issue. It means our coefficient remains shit. Which limits our finances and means we become overly reliant on European success to remain relevant. It means our fiancnces would take a hit while theirs prospers. That's less of an issue in the Dutch league because Dutch sides regurlalry compete in European group stage football, meaning the coefficient remains healthy. Meaning two CL spaces are available (usually one automatic place and the other a qualifying place).
The Ajax model has been in place for close to 60 years. People should temper the expectations around our ability to emulate them.
We will be aware of the ones that fell by the way side or deemed not good enough by people in charge.doubt it.. youth at Ajax dont come cheap, as they dont tend to sell their youths, they prefer to develop them then sell them for massive fee's
I agree with you that we cannot use an exact copy of the Ajax model but I don't think we need to copy the Ajax model exactly. I think we will use some, even most parts of it, but also make adaptations to suit the unique, Scottish football situation that we find ourselves in.I completely agree. I just disagree with the notion that the Ajax model is the correct model to use for us as a club. Plus it's worth noting that the Ajax model is 60 years in the making. It's not something that's been implemented relatively recently. Dutch football has always been associated with youth development. That's not something that could be said for Scottish football.
Fully behind the notion of building during fallow years. However sceptical on whether or not going fully down the road of the Ajax youth model is a good fit for us. That's all.
Get a grip he’s what he is a B Team coach if you want to vent your anger like myself take it out on a team gone to Aston Villa.He should have been sacked on Sunday night for subbing Aribo
Yeah I do understand your good point re 60 years and the cultural differences between nations and peoples and clubs but why couldn’t we put a version together across say 10-15 years ?
Let’s assume much of it has been done before then you map that to what we presently have and go from there . Maybe we have 10% of what we need eg . Then it’s just a lot of mimicking and adjusting .
Of course it’s possible and of course Ajax have a world of expertise in this but if we are aspiring why wouldn’t we aspire to that system .
Wrt the fans then it’s quite obvious what you do to change attitudes , you manipulate them by words and actions . Recently we have been through Sectarian matters where we have matured shall we say . It’s just something similar imo
Real success comes from small wins mate .I think the issue we have and it's a fairly unique one in European football, is our proximity to England. It's far too easy for us to have our top talents poached from top English clubs. That's purely from a financial sensibility, they can offer financial packages we simply cannot ever match. That's no slight against us, they'd do the same to Ajax if they had geography to do so. So it makes our task a far more tricky one than the one Ajax faces.
I'm not saying the club should completely neglect youth development or not aspire to be better when it comes to producing top level talents ready for the first 11. That's something I'm very pro us doing, I just have my doubts about whether or not it's viable for us to do it in the manner in which Ajax have done it.
The set up at Ajax means they can go 3/4 years without a trophy, can’t see Rangers fans accepting that to develop some youth players.
Not necessarily saying they won’t draft in some youth guys, just merely highlighting the Ajax model comes at a price.
Its been said before that they have a better youth system…. They seem to produce or give more players a chance also.
Its not unstaunch to see/say that.
They have more youth scouts an spend more money on it as well.
Hopefully we over take them in the next few years
Remember we had to start ours from scratch not long ago
I really struggle to see lack of trophies as an argument against giving youth a chance these days given that we've won 1 trophy in the last 10 since Gerrard and 1 trophy in the last 10 years. Seems we're pretty well versed in 'lack of success' to me already even without the perceived 'gambling' on youth!
At some point it will dawn on people that the era of us buying a whole 22 to 25 man squad is over and trying to continue with this is just resulting in us spreading the jam on what we can spend ever thinner. If giving youth more opportunity means no more Jack Simpson/Barker/Jones squad fillers earning way too much and unshiftable on long contracts, it's no bad thing.
As someone who is involved in academy football, albeit at a different club, no they dont.
Ive said it before on here, our academy progress doesnt show now but it will over the next 5/10 years and Nathan Patterson is the 1st of many to come through. Our academy teams are ahead at every age group now, especially in the younger age groups. Some of the coaches we have in the younger groups are the best around.
Celtic did have a great setup, but went downhill when they started employing people like Brian Delaney.
Hahaha it was tongue in cheek. Next time I’ll put an emoji for you.Get a grip he’s what he is a B Team coach if you want to vent your anger like myself take it out on a team gone to Aston Villa.
Me too.I'm just loving having all these mad Dutch names back in my life tbh.
Totally agree, it is very exciting.As someone who is involved in academy football, albeit at a different club, no they dont.
Ive said it before on here, our academy progress doesnt show now but it will over the next 5/10 years and Nathan Patterson is the 1st of many to come through. Our academy teams are ahead at every age group now, especially in the younger age groups. Some of the coaches we have in the younger groups are the best around.
Celtic did have a great setup, but went downhill when they started employing people like Brian Delaney.
Excited at the prospect of youths actually getting brought through under the new set up if we perform half as well as the Ajax model has we are laughing.doubt it.. youth at Ajax dont come cheap, as they dont tend to sell their youths, they prefer to develop them then sell them for massive fee's
Real success comes from small wins mate .
Given our approach of capping salary spending around 50% of our revenue We need a part of the club that delivers quality talent . It’s really that which will foster us into success .
I’m optimistic it can be done and that is based upon what we now have compared to what we did say 6 years ago .
None of these wins happened by accident they are indicators that we have a decent setup and we can definitely get better
Six players in our CWC winning team in 1972 had come through the then equivalent of our youth structure.Yeah I do understand your good point re 60 years and the cultural differences between nations and peoples and clubs but why couldn’t we put a version together across say 10-15 years ?
Let’s assume much of it has been done before then you map that to what we presently have and go from there . Maybe we have 10% of what we need eg . Then it’s just a lot of mimicking and adjusting .
Of course it’s possible and of course Ajax have a world of expertise in this but if we are aspiring why wouldn’t we aspire to that system .
Wrt the fans then it’s quite obvious what you do to change attitudes , you manipulate them by words and actions . Recently we have been through Sectarian matters where we have matured shall we say . It’s just something similar imo
Think most of the concern was, the speed in which we had to do it.Don’t know why some are concerned about If a manager ever leaves need to replace the back staff like what happened with gerrard.
That’s the way of the world now in football haha.
Any manager worth his salt wants his own people in.
Not wishing him away already but our next manager will have his own team as well.
Encouraged by these appointments though. Great that he’s surrounding himself with those close to him and by all accounts knowledgeable staff
And as an aside Roy makaay has some aura just looking at him. Wouldn’t like to be on the wrong side of him haha
Big Flange didThat's the way it is now I'm afraid. Only way to change it is if we appointed all the backroom staff ourselves and got a manager and told him who he is working with. Not many managers would accept that.
Sounds good mateAbsolutely buzzing about this…. A real coup for us.
I mentioned on here a few times that my lad is in the Ajax academy here and so I often get chance to see their u16s and 18s train too and the amount of talent is unreal (no surprises there), the training sessions I watch are of an incredible standard.
Had a few chats with him as well, always spotted my Rangers gear whenever I had it on and knew a lot about the league etc and mentioned how he wanted to go to Old firm one day after hearing so much about it. Absolutely lives and breathes football.
This guy is regarded as one of the best coaches in the entire Dutch system … what a signing.
Hope you haven't Jinxed it for tonight . Ajax were big on scouting talent from Africa, didn't Kanu start at Ajax? Finidi George ?WOW ! that is a big appointment .really liking how this is all panning out .
a few rockets under the players asses now and we'll be flying .
Helps when your the richest club in your country and your country wants to produce world class superstars that can actually play football, rather than “whos the biggest strongest boys that can header things and get stuck in” mentality that this backwater has.His track record at producing youth players seems outstanding.
The other week people were saying he's shite and useless, and all of his signings are trash.Totally agree, also, that was with about 4months worth of planning.
In respect of this appointment, outside looking in, it looks brilliant.
We don’t know how it will all pan out but Ross Wilson deserves considerable credit
Unbelievable youth prospects want to join ajax from all over the world because they will get an opportunity if they are good enough. We can’t attract that kind of player IMO.Yeah I do understand your good point re 60 years and the cultural differences between nations and peoples and clubs but why couldn’t we put a version together across say 10-15 years ?
Let’s assume much of it has been done before then you map that to what we presently have and go from there . Maybe we have 10% of what we need eg . Then it’s just a lot of mimicking and adjusting .
Of course it’s possible and of course Ajax have a world of expertise in this but if we are aspiring why wouldn’t we aspire to that system .
Wrt the fans then it’s quite obvious what you do to change attitudes , you manipulate them by words and actions . Recently we have been through Sectarian matters where we have matured shall we say . It’s just something similar imo
Yes.Hope you haven't Jinxed it for tonight . Ajax were big on scouting talent from Africa, didn't Kanu start at Ajax? Finidi George ?