Dundee FC in a desperate situation (Nelms's duplicity coming home to roost)
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55degreesnorth
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That was Dundee Tesco.
We need an emoji for absolutely pissing oneself!
Pandamonium
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The fans Association has been stubborn for a long time. A spawn of Dee For Life and this isn't the first time the club has asked for money from them. It happens almost once a season but nothing is ever mentioned.
They have a large reserve of cash but they are keeping it for leverage to get another position on the board or if their main fear of the club going bankrupt again they have cash to try and get fan ownership.
Family member was the secretary for them for a few seasons but left as it took so long to write up the mins from each meeting.
But also as been said they dont own dens park. Its owner is John Bennett. He is a United fan and was on the united board until 2008.
The plan was to build flats on the unused area around dens road but it never came to fruition. But he owns it and charges them rent. It's one thing some Dundee fans are happy with as the ground is safe away from the current owners so there is nothing to carve and sell on. In fact some rumours at the time claimed the owners didnt realise dundee never owned the ground.
Nelms etc bought some land near camperdown park. Always rumoured to be the site of a joint stadium for decades but I dont even think planning permission was even applied for. Dundee are skint.
I feel sorry for their fans, but its no wonder season ticket sales are so low, they can see the chancers are trying to bleed the club drey
They have a large reserve of cash but they are keeping it for leverage to get another position on the board or if their main fear of the club going bankrupt again they have cash to try and get fan ownership.
Family member was the secretary for them for a few seasons but left as it took so long to write up the mins from each meeting.
But also as been said they dont own dens park. Its owner is John Bennett. He is a United fan and was on the united board until 2008.
The plan was to build flats on the unused area around dens road but it never came to fruition. But he owns it and charges them rent. It's one thing some Dundee fans are happy with as the ground is safe away from the current owners so there is nothing to carve and sell on. In fact some rumours at the time claimed the owners didnt realise dundee never owned the ground.
Nelms etc bought some land near camperdown park. Always rumoured to be the site of a joint stadium for decades but I dont even think planning permission was even applied for. Dundee are skint.
I feel sorry for their fans, but its no wonder season ticket sales are so low, they can see the chancers are trying to bleed the club drey
Virgil Hilts
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The DeIahunt emoji.
Dundee FC Supporters’ Society admits it rejected approach from club for ‘no-strings-attached’ donation and calls for ‘constructive dialogue’ with John Nelms
But the fans’ group insists it wants to help the cash-strapped club through Covid-19 – and has called for “constructive dialogue” with managing director John Nelms.
The Dark Blues hit out at the DFCSS after revealing the group refused a request to donate a five-figure sum from its cash reserves.
Dee director Bob Hynd quit the Society board over the row, with the Dens Park club accusing the group of offering “little to no help” over a period of seven years, despite having profited from the club’s intellectual property.
The DFCSS hit back at that claim, maintaining it has a duty to its members not to simply hand over cash.
And, in a statement, the Society – which is working to set-up a monthly, direct-to-club donation scheme – revealed its willingness to sit down to discussions about alternative funding arrangements.
“The DFCSS/Dee4Life directors wish to confirm their extreme surprise and disappointment at the resignation of Bob Hynd and record their gratitude for his valued contribution to the Society and the important role he performed as a colleague and bridge between the Society and the club over the years,” said the statement.
“All Society directors and members are extremely passionate Dundee supporters and we want to help the club through these extraordinarily difficult times.
“The recent press statement from the club refers to the Society rejecting a request for financial assistance from the funds we currently hold.
“The fact of the matter is the Society rules, in common with other supporters’ trusts, do not encourage ‘no strings attached’ donations such as this and that is why the Society directors decided they could not agree to the request as it stood.
“In light of the perilous situation facing clubs across the country the Society board is exploring other means by which it could provide the club with funding at this time, including the purchase of shares or an interest-free loan.
“Furthermore, given the fact this could account for a significant portion of the Society’s reserves, the Society directors would wish to consult with the members over any such proposal and provide them with a comprehensive set of facts to allow them to decide how their money is spent.
“Unfortunately, the discussions with the club were short-lived and these alternatives were not considered.
“The press statement also referred to £38,000 being held by the Society and claimed that the money was raised using the club’s intellectual property.
“The reality of the situation is that the Society had a legal agreement with the club relating to its intellectual property, which included a profit share arrangement which was fully adhered to.
“Since this agreement linked to DFCTV was brought to an end by the club in 2015, the Society has committed around £25,000 to club-related causes, so only a small proportion of the residual profit remains.
“The balance of the Society’s reserves consists of members’ money raised through subscriptions, donations and a fundraising event.
“In spite of the situation, a small group of Society members and other supporters continue to work on a proposal to establish a ‘Monthly Donations Fund’ for all supporters to participate in, if they wish, that would put money directly into the club.
“The Society is keen to help as much as possible with this initiative and has agreed to support an online platform for the fund.
“Finally, everyone in the Society wants to help the club as much as possible within the parameters of the Society’s rules and would welcome constructive dialogue with the club over ways we can help out at this particularly challenging time.”
Last week assistant manager Jimmy Nicholl and sports scientist Cammy McDermid became the first victims of cost-cutting at Dundee due to the Covid-19 shutdown.
The Dark Blues squad has been asked to agree to salary reductions of around 30%, with captain Josh Meekings leaving Dens Park after rejecting the new terms offered.
But the fans’ group insists it wants to help the cash-strapped club through Covid-19 – and has called for “constructive dialogue” with managing director John Nelms.
The Dark Blues hit out at the DFCSS after revealing the group refused a request to donate a five-figure sum from its cash reserves.
Dee director Bob Hynd quit the Society board over the row, with the Dens Park club accusing the group of offering “little to no help” over a period of seven years, despite having profited from the club’s intellectual property.
The DFCSS hit back at that claim, maintaining it has a duty to its members not to simply hand over cash.
And, in a statement, the Society – which is working to set-up a monthly, direct-to-club donation scheme – revealed its willingness to sit down to discussions about alternative funding arrangements.
“The DFCSS/Dee4Life directors wish to confirm their extreme surprise and disappointment at the resignation of Bob Hynd and record their gratitude for his valued contribution to the Society and the important role he performed as a colleague and bridge between the Society and the club over the years,” said the statement.
“All Society directors and members are extremely passionate Dundee supporters and we want to help the club through these extraordinarily difficult times.
“The recent press statement from the club refers to the Society rejecting a request for financial assistance from the funds we currently hold.
“The fact of the matter is the Society rules, in common with other supporters’ trusts, do not encourage ‘no strings attached’ donations such as this and that is why the Society directors decided they could not agree to the request as it stood.
“In light of the perilous situation facing clubs across the country the Society board is exploring other means by which it could provide the club with funding at this time, including the purchase of shares or an interest-free loan.
“Furthermore, given the fact this could account for a significant portion of the Society’s reserves, the Society directors would wish to consult with the members over any such proposal and provide them with a comprehensive set of facts to allow them to decide how their money is spent.
“Unfortunately, the discussions with the club were short-lived and these alternatives were not considered.
“The press statement also referred to £38,000 being held by the Society and claimed that the money was raised using the club’s intellectual property.
“The reality of the situation is that the Society had a legal agreement with the club relating to its intellectual property, which included a profit share arrangement which was fully adhered to.
“Since this agreement linked to DFCTV was brought to an end by the club in 2015, the Society has committed around £25,000 to club-related causes, so only a small proportion of the residual profit remains.
“The balance of the Society’s reserves consists of members’ money raised through subscriptions, donations and a fundraising event.
“In spite of the situation, a small group of Society members and other supporters continue to work on a proposal to establish a ‘Monthly Donations Fund’ for all supporters to participate in, if they wish, that would put money directly into the club.
“The Society is keen to help as much as possible with this initiative and has agreed to support an online platform for the fund.
“Finally, everyone in the Society wants to help the club as much as possible within the parameters of the Society’s rules and would welcome constructive dialogue with the club over ways we can help out at this particularly challenging time.”
Last week assistant manager Jimmy Nicholl and sports scientist Cammy McDermid became the first victims of cost-cutting at Dundee due to the Covid-19 shutdown.
The Dark Blues squad has been asked to agree to salary reductions of around 30%, with captain Josh Meekings leaving Dens Park after rejecting the new terms offered.
Der Berliner
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IMHO, the Dark Blues are still a good club and have decent fans. They were livid at the vote fiasco, full well knowing what Nelms did to them. The sort of business crackbrain that follows money and opportunity first and foremost, no matter the tradition and stature of the club he leads.
Bakubear
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Yes know a few Dundee fans and all good lads despite coming from the sh1thole of a city and having scumbag neighbors so close - the fans and clubs deserve better so have no ill feeling to them outwith the coward Nelms
The clown has certainly sorted out his own teams future. All for a kiss at Liewells fat arse.<a href="https://ibb.co/6X2CVFs">
How did that work out for you John? I tell you what, I'd like to help you out. Drop me an e-mail.
FBS
weetam3106
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Sold their soul to the devil. Hell mend them for what they’ve done.
Great article BTW he's essentially a youth team manager promoted to football club CEO cause he coached the benefactor's son.
John Nelms and the happiness of coincidence
For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans. He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys…www.followfollow.com
mdingwall
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Speminalium8
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Is this true? Are they admitting they were aware before the made up 5pm deadline that the vote came in before the ‘deadline‘ and therefore knew that it was a ‘no’ ? Did they not originally claim It went into some email quarantine folder? Was it in the rules for them to intervene and ‘persuade’ Nelms to change their vote ? Even if it were in the rules is this showing the SPFL lied? There’s been so much shit happening since that I can’t remember anymore.
Disco Deejay
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Not quite, they are simply admitting that the vote was received before 5pm, which they have always done (although they previously claimed they weren't aware that it had been received till just before 8pm).
Interesting though that Moynihan appears not to have mentioned in Court yesterday anything about it going into quarantine.
Dumfriesbear
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Is some of his postings not far fetched and no truth in them?
Speminalium8
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Just to clarify, have they changed their testimony about being only aware of receiving it just before 8pm ?
The 290 Duke
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Their rivals were in a division below and Dundee failed to take advantage of that. It's akin to the mentally challengeds having a free run for all those years when we were forced down the leagues, they had Champ Lge money and all the advertising yet they haven't moved forward at all.
The inability to move forward in Dundee only goes to prove that they haven't been run properly at all so you reap what you sow. I wanted them to keep Utd down too. Any feelings for them have all gone now after the vote debacle.
The inability to move forward in Dundee only goes to prove that they haven't been run properly at all so you reap what you sow. I wanted them to keep Utd down too. Any feelings for them have all gone now after the vote debacle.
Forfar_Bear
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They're still progressing the site at Camperdown, at the start of the year talking about submitting plans this year but I assume that'll be on the backburner now.
Some outline plans were released, which looked decent, but I think it all ties in with a housing development and crematorium so there's a few moving parts, if it's to be realised.
Both Dundee stadiums are shitholes, they really should come together and create a shared ground.
Hayley from Corrie smashing out some thrash metal.
