Honeymoon Is Over For The Manger Next Season

bluestreak

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Show me someone who has said we don't need to win something next season?

I think we all agree he will be away if we don't win the title.
I don’t,he must get 5 years,if he goes after 3 we’re asking a new guy to win it in his first season,that is a big ask,bite the bullet
 

Danger Zone

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I'll try to answer this for you. Some of the posters on here are in favour of Gerrard being our manager for a variety of different reasons and believe that Gerrard has improved us substantially since taking over. A lot of what you say is correct regarding our results domestically and we should be doing better as we certainly have the quality to do better. I believe and it's only my opinion he's very close to success with us and I think our European runs has earned us finances that allow us to close the gap. Unfortunately with the European runs meant a lot more games and whilst our starting 11 have the quality we don't yet have that quality in depth. I think this was shown in January/February where some of the players looked out on their feet. Once we add more quality strength and depth within our squad domestic results will improve.

Regarding the cups whilst it's great for the club and fans to be successful we probably earn better finances from European runs therefore do you think the board will sack him if we're getting prolonged runs in European competition. As an aside I'd love us to win a trophy as soon as possible to get that monkey of our back.
To be honest mate you weren’t one of the main culprits. And without retreading the some old argument of me explaining why 10 and 13 points gaps and 1 final out of 4 is anything but close, and why serious changes are needed both in the playing squad and the managers use of his players (in my opinion of course), I’ll just say that that still doesn’t really explain why a few here continually imply that some of us want rid of him now, or that we think or have said that he’s some sort of diddy who has barely moved us on.

Again, I respect your own opinion and truly hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I’d love nothing more than to go into a thread a year from now lauding Gerrard whilst eating humble. Anyway, I’m not saying he’ll fail of course, but I do have serious doubts which I’d love him to remove.
 

iaatpies

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Where?

He should be sacked now if you are going to sack him next year if he improves by 10 or 15 points and is still shown the door based on how many points Celtic accumulate.
That's my opinion.

Did you have an opinion?
It doesnt matter a jot if he increases the points gap over other teams. If Rangers are 2nd in the league and the gap to top spot hasn't been cut then it isnt progress.
 

Danger Zone

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The majority can debate Gerrard like an adult, but some speak about him and defend everything he’s done as if they’re an 8 year old lassie talking about their favourite boyband.

No point in talking to these people.
The football equivalent of teenage lassies and Harry Styles. Seriously, it’s that bad. The irritating part is people are actually looking at the break down of results and comparing the two domestic campaigns and being quite fair in doing so, yet getting accusations of revelling in misery and wanting him to fail, as well as bare faced lies about calling him a diddy and wanting him replaced now? Curiously the same people who do this offer no reasoned retort other than “aye well we’ll just go and get McInnes then shall we” or “aye well who would you go out and get then genius”. Nutters..
 

MightyGersLand!

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It doesnt matter a jot if he increases the points gap over other teams. If Rangers are 2nd in the league and the gap to top spot hasn't been cut then it isnt progress.
Don't know where I said anything different.
I'm simply arguing the point that not winning the league can not equal must go in any sane world.
I'd find it hard that anyone could put up a valid case for sacking Gerrard for finishing 1-5 points behind Celtic if we got anywhere close to 2.7 points per game.
I'd be raging, but that's not a valid case for sacking him.
 

iaatpies

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Don't know where I said anything different.
I'm simply arguing the point that not winning the league can not equal must go in any sane world.
I'd find it hard that anyone could put up a valid case for sacking Gerrard for finishing 1-5 points behind Celtic if we got anywhere close to 2.7 points per game.
I'd be raging, but that's not a valid case for sacking him.
We were 13 points behind them at close of play this season. Sure there was the game in hand. We might have won that. We might have won either, or both, old firm games. The gap could have been as lot as 4 points. More likely? It would be at least 10 points assuming we won the game in hand but didnt win both OF games. It could have been 16 if we won the game in hand but lost both OF games and 19 if we lost all 3 games.

That is absolutely cause to look at his performance.
 

MightyGersLand!

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We were 13 points behind them at close of play this season. Sure there was the game in hand. We might have won that. We might have won either, or both, old firm games. The gap could have been as lot as 4 points. More likely? It would be at least 10 points assuming we won the game in hand but didnt win both OF games. It could have been 16 if we won the game in hand but lost both OF games and 19 if we lost all 3 games.

That is absolutely cause to look at his performance.
Then maybe he should be sacked now?
Maybe the board should go out and get a new man in?

I have an issue with people saying "He must go, if we don't win the league"
We could finish the season with over 100 points next year and finish 2nd. And not 1 person on this page has seen the need to back up their claim that 10 in a row means Gerrard must go by answering if he should be sacked if that scenario played out.

Just the same vultures telling lies, being rude. And disappearing rather than answer some very basic questions.
 

Thornliebank_Bear

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We were 13 points behind them at close of play this season. Sure there was the game in hand. We might have won that. We might have won either, or both, old firm games. The gap could have been as lot as 4 points. More likely? It would be at least 10 points assuming we won the game in hand but didnt win both OF games. It could have been 16 if we won the game in hand but lost both OF games and 19 if we lost all 3 games.

That is absolutely cause to look at his performance.
There absolutely always is with every manager even after one game.

You are a smart guy pies, know your football can you give us the name of a manager that comes in and deals with the tims, gets the euro cash and most all beats the incredible level of corruption ?

When the football returns the only thing we can be sure of is that the refs up here will cheat Rangers. They will be fired up once again.

I am not for a second suggesting there isnt one and he might well be a manager thats not so well known from a smaller league in europe, i get that its a huge job id just be interested to hear where we go next. There must be one or two names people have in mind someone they erm fancy
 

tottie beck

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I think the honeymoon ended at the beginning of the year. Criticism escalated and some were even calling for his head. Thankfully that didn’t happen. However, I agree next season must produce silverware. This appointment was a risk from the start and once we made the decision we had to give him sufficient time to learn the ropes and implement his plans. Given where we were at when Gerrard arrived it’s debatable whether 3 years was long enough for a rookie manager to turn us around, but it’s hard to imagine anyone being given longer in modern football. The grey area for me is if we win a cup but not the league. What happens then? Do we bin someone we have invested so much in and start over, or stick with him in the hope his career at Ibrox mirrors that of Ferguson at Old Trafford?
 

Masonboyne

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I simply can't believe we're in a position where a guy who hasn't won anything yet as a manager and is two years into his managerial career has been tasked with the job of stopping Celtic win 10 in a row.

It's an absolute shit set of affairs.
Surely we can all agree its about money. If we had it he probably wouldn't have got his chance. Reality is we dont. So we can't chop and change till investment is there. It's a massive catch 22. We can't buy the players we need so we can be thankful it's SG for now. If he stops them, it will be a remarkable achievement and he will be gone. That's the reality.
 

DylanGer

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It doesnt matter a jot if he increases the points gap over other teams. If Rangers are 2nd in the league and the gap to top spot hasn't been cut then it isnt progress.
Ironically though it was what a lot of posters were demanding this season..............and like Ryan Kent when they got what they wanted....they didn't want it.
 

iaatpies

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There absolutely always is with every manager even after one game.

You are a smart guy pies, know your football can you give us the name of a manager that comes in and deals with the tims, gets the euro cash and most all beats the incredible level of corruption ?

When the football returns the only thing we can be sure of is that the refs up here will cheat Rangers. They will be fired up once again.

I am not for a second suggesting there isnt one and he might well be a manager thats not so well known from a smaller league in europe, i get that its a huge job id just be interested to hear where we go next. There must be one or two names people have in mind someone they erm fancy
Million dollar question.

You look at the candidates who would be interested, interview them and appoint the best one.
 

Loyal Latina

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To be honest mate you weren’t one of the main culprits. And without retreading the some old argument of me explaining why 10 and 13 points gaps and 1 final out of 4 is anything but close, and why serious changes are needed both in the playing squad and the managers use of his players (in my opinion of course), I’ll just say that that still doesn’t really explain why a few here continually imply that some of us want rid of him now, or that we think or have said that he’s some sort of diddy who has barely moved us on.

Again, I respect your own opinion and truly hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I’d love nothing more than to go into a thread a year from now lauding Gerrard whilst eating humble. Anyway, I’m not saying he’ll fail of course, but I do have serious doubts which I’d love him to remove.
Sorry to say, but your logic over the last few pages seems a little flawed to me.
Although maybe I've picked it up wrong.

You are talking about people blindly following Gerrard regardless of how next season pans out and how short sighted this outlook may be.

On a thread where no one seems to be saying he should stay regardless.
On a thread where plenty are saying that there are no circumstance where we don't finish Champions where Gerrard should stay.

More or less bashing an extreme left mentality if you will (Gerrard must stay regardless)l, on a thread where most opinions range from slightly to the left (if he won trophies and narrowly missed out on the league he should be evaluated on his achievements and potentially given another crack at it) to extreme right (If we don't win the league he has to go no matter what)

The football equivalent of teenage lassies and Harry Styles. Seriously, it’s that bad. The irritating part is people are actually looking at the break down of results and comparing the two domestic campaigns and being quite fair in doing so, yet getting accusations of revelling in misery and wanting him to fail, as well as bare faced lies about calling him a diddy and wanting him replaced now? Curiously the same people who do this offer no reasoned retort other than “aye well we’ll just go and get McInnes then shall we” or “aye well who would you go out and get then genius”. Nutters..
Interestingly, not many who want him replaced if we don't win the league will offer up what would be acceptable and merit another year, if we fell a few points short in the league, no matter how many points we finish the season with.
The pro-football equivalent of, well, angry alcoholic Da at his weans Sunday league game where anything less than a win and his son is shit and someone is getting smashed like it's still 1980.
 

Bigbluebear

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There are far too many variable involved to stated if he doesnt win the league the he has to go

Would the manager deserve to be let go after a season like 07/08 for example?
 

Danger Zone

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Sorry to say, but your logic over the last few pages seems a little flawed to me.
Although maybe I've picked it up wrong.

You are talking about people blindly following Gerrard regardless of how next season pans out and how short sighted this outlook may be.

On a thread where no one seems to be saying he should stay regardless.
On a thread where plenty are saying that there are no circumstance where we don't finish Champions where Gerrard should stay.

More or less bashing an extreme left mentality if you will (Gerrard must stay regardless)l, on a thread where most opinions range from slightly to the left (if he won trophies and narrowly missed out on the league he should be evaluated on his achievements and potentially given another crack at it) to extreme right (If we don't win the league he has to go no matter what)



Interestingly, not many who want him replaced if we don't win the league will offer up what would be acceptable and merit another year, if we fell a few points short in the league, no matter how many points we finish the season with.
The pro-football equivalent of, well, angry alcoholic Da at his weans Sunday league game where anything less than a win and his son is shit and someone is getting smashed like it's still 1980.
Sorry can you condense that and tell me in a few sentences what it is exactly about my posts you don’t understand?

But to re-summarise very quickly for you:

a) we’ve got a whole load of posters who give the impression of the manager being bigger than the club and lash out when anyone suggest next season could be his last. This often involves perpetuating bare faced lies about folk wanting him gone now or declaring that he’s made no progress on the previous coach

b) two colossal capitulations in 2 seasons at the exact same point in in the season and out of the Scottish Cup to an even worse side than the previous season, ISNT progress in any, way shape or form.

c) if the same mistakes are repeated next season and we subsequently end the season trophyless and miles adrift for a third consecutive season, then it should be time up.

d) those who seem to get angered by the above and accuse people of revelling in negativity never seem to offer any reasoned counter argument but rather just show anger at the very suggestion domestic progress hasn’t been nearly good enough.

I think that covers most of the main discussion points.
 

Loyal Latina

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Sorry can you condense that and tell me in a few sentences what it is exactly about my posts you don’t understand?
Do you think A) It is reasonable or unreasonable to say that regardless of ANY other factors, he MUST 100% go, if we do not win the league?

B) Do you personally feel we could end the season without the league trophy and other factors would lead to you wanting him to stay for a 4th year?
 

Loyal Latina

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Sorry can you condense that and tell me in a few sentences what it is exactly about my posts you don’t understand?

But to re-summarise very quickly for you:
Do you think A) It is reasonable or unreasonable to say that regardless of ANY other factors, he MUST 100% go, if we do not win the league?

B) Do you personally feel we could end the season without the league trophy and other factors would lead to you wanting him to stay for a 4th year?
And C) Is it just the folk over the top pro-Gerrard (Gerrard is bigger than the club) that you find unreasonable, or, like me do you find those who blame him for defeat to Maribor and Malmo in 2012 and the subsequent lack of funds, league capitulation and start of the scums current run, equally as messed up?
 

Danger Zone

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Do you think A) It is reasonable or unreasonable to say that regardless of ANY other factors, he MUST 100% go, if we do not win the league?

B) Do you personally feel we could end the season without the league trophy and other factors would lead to you wanting him to stay for a 4th year?
Of course. But like I said, another 10 or 13 point gap and crumbling at January isn’t negotiable for me personally, if that happens again then it should be curtains for the gaffer. If he wins a cup and loses the league by a couple of points, then depending on how things have played out, it could be extremely harsh to sack him. But say we had a healthy lead and blew it at the end spilling points everywhere, again that changes the circumstances, maybe crumbling again will feel less than acceptable depending on a number of different variables.

But say he does narrowly miss out and a more experienced manager who’s won leagues becomes available, we should absolutely approach him, because remember it’s ultimately about Rangers and silverware, not Gerrard or having big names at the helm.
 

Danger Zone

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And C) Is it just the folk over the top pro-Gerrard (Gerrard is bigger than the club) that you find unreasonable, or, like me do you find those who blame him for defeat to Maribor and Malmo in 2012 and the subsequent lack of funds, league capitulation and start of the scums current run, equally as messed up?
I haven’t really seen any of C to be perfectly honest. But since you asked I do find fantasists to be a bit of a pain in the arse.
 

Cheech

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I dont think he gets a free pass for being who he is at all, i think that is a myth. The split opinion comes from the fact the team has improved that cannot be argued the league standings havent which also cannot be argued. He needs to find the final push to get this squad believing.

Some of us (myself) viewed the job he took as crazy difficult considering our team and finances with also the task at hand and his very limited experience. I just thought personally it was a 2/3 year job just to get level with them and i havent changed that view.

But due to the fact that we dont seem to be closing the points gap it gives people the right to be unhappy. Especially in the way of which this season most noteably fell apart. It was a calamity, no other way of putting it.

I have chosen to put belief he can go the final hurdle this time. I just hope if we got one shakey result early on people dont hit the meltdown button. Because as the thread says, wether u agree or not theres alot of bears unhappy and they will be heard. That kind of pressure early on would signal the end with no way back. By that time, is he the right man or not wont matter.
 

JorgAlbertz

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Didn't read the thread - quotes on this page kinda sum it up for me.

Long and short is that we've seen already that since DK departed and we are now under Douglas Park we are a different animal off the pitch so nothing is set in stone.

If we win a cup or two but not the league and continue to perform well in Europe with big scalps, SG may get another crack at it. If it is trophyless and we don't get out the EL groups, he'll be gone, simple as that.

Life does not end with Steven Gerrard, the same as it did not end with Graeme Souness, Walter Smith, Dick Advocaat or Alex McLeish when they left - we bounced back.

Since 2012 the continuity of success has not been there but the curve has taken us back up to the top and SG is part of that. He will know his career rests on it and maybe the extra pressure from the boardroom to nail these bastards will be enough. With the right signings and more consistency in the second half of the season we can do it.

Is the honeymoon over? Probably. Does that mean he's not the man? No. If he goes are we done for? No.
 

Mani

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Do you remember when the news of him having negotiations with us first broke? Before that we’d all sat here talking about the next appointment for months, and pretty much the entire forum unanimously agreed that it had to be someone with experience. Then Gerrard’s name was dropped and all that stuff about experience being the key requirement went right out the window as everyone turned into wee lassies on the Gerrard express.

I think that sort of thing tells you that his stature and name do mean a bit too much to some fans. The way some have spoken about him at times it’s like they believe we’re ever so fortunate to have him at our little club, as opposed to him being fortunate to get to manage this big club as his first gig. Plus there’s the crazy gymnastics folk do to blame anyone but the Gerrard at times; they always say the buck stops with the manager but the gaffer seems to be an exception, so instead it becomes an issue of the players (whom he signed of course) and you even see ludicrous suggestions like getting rid of McAllister. On top of that you had folk attributing any successful signing to Gerrard and any failed signing to Mark Allen without even knowing who was responsible for what deals. I didn’t really see this level of denial or protection for PLG or even Walter when everyone kicked up the “ah time to go walter, it just hasn’t worked out in the second stint” after we lost to the scum in the new year game in 2009; so it sort of suggests that Gerrard probably gets it because he’s a superstar name and people love that aspect of his reign.

The defensive reactions you get to threads like this can be a nightmare too and are also indicative of him getting extra protection for who he is. So instead of anyone actually telling us why we should turn a blind eye to 2 seasons worth of repeated mistakes and 2 huge collapses at the same stage each time, all you generally get is “ahhh you just want him to fail don’t you, you’re revelling in it” and all that absolute drivel. Realistically, he fully deserves another shot, but I’ll bet if we crumble the same way a third time you’ll still have the same folk wanting Gerrard kept on, with everyone else replaced instead. I’ve already had a discussion with one bloke on here who has already confirmed he should get a 4th bite at the cherry should we go trophy-less next season too. Mental.
SG is the man for the job. He gets it. Keep the faith we're heading in the right direction.
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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Whats our wage bill compared to Hamilton? Hearts? Etc??
Keep hearing this. All clubs lose to teams lower than them. Just so happens that they were on a hell of a run last season and were hardly dropping any points.

As an earlier poster said, our tally of points was an improvement, but it was going to take a hell of a jump in form to get on top of them.

The sooner you accept that no club, yes even Rangers are not entitled to trophies them the sooner you can deal with it.
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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There are some on this thread, not necessarily yourself, who have already begun to get the excuses in early for his failing to do so next season - long term projects, five year contract, remember Alex Ferguson and all that jazz.

Nobody wants to see him leave, everybody wants him to be a success, but there needs to be an acceptance of the harsh reality involved in taking on a job like the manager of Rangers Football Club.

I think a big part of the anxiety is down to how we were when the season ended.

We were in what felt like freefall domestically with Gerrard looking clueless as to how to stop it.

That’s the final memory most of us have still imprinted on the inside of our eyelids and it’s probably going to take a really impressive start to next season to displace it.
And theres a lot on this thread who have thrown in the towel for next season.

Let's face it, if gerrard wins the 2 cups that wont be enough. There will be a clamour for him to go if we dont win the league. This 10 is clouding peoples thinking. The last thing the team need is getting pressured from the first game. Can almost hear the abuse that's going to come just by reading this thread.
 

willg89

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I have a feeling it's going to go one of two ways with Gerrard: either he falls short again next season, doesn't win anything and is sacked, going down in history as a classic 'nearly man'.

Or he finally gets the 55, causing a footballing earthquake that sends Celtic into an irretrievable nosedive and sets us on a path to domestic dominance once again, with league titles and cups following on a regular basis until he leaves the club a legend, up there with the all time greats.

Don't see there being much of a middle ground and it's just agonising not knowing which scenario is going to play out. :(
 

crmpicco

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And theres a lot on this thread who have thrown in the towel for next season.

Let's face it, if gerrard wins the 2 cups that wont be enough. There will be a clamour for him to go if we dont win the league. This 10 is clouding peoples thinking. The last thing the team need is getting pressured from the first game. Can almost hear the abuse that's going to come just by reading this thread.
I honestly can't see us winning the league next season. Gerrard with no trophies out of 6 and Celtic with 12/12 and trying to win 10* IAR? Honestly, can you see it happening? The odds (and everything else) are against us.
 
I've had discussions on here before about Gerrard and what an easy ride many have given him domestically .(European football he's been a success)
People can argue black is white all they want but he wins the league next season or he's asked to leave be that mutual or falling on his own sword.Nothing to do with them going for a meaningless 10 IAR but a Rangers manager can't get anymore than 3 tries at it.In fact he's the 1st I can think of in modern times that has been given this much leeway and time to get it right.
It's now time to deliver or we move on to someone else imo.
Said this before about SG, the Pandemic came at the right time for him and took the heat right off. We’d just lost at home to Hamilton, just to put it in context.

He fits the ball as a Rangers manager in so many ways, but the most crucial one-domestic success-just hasn’t happened.

If we aren’t neck and neck with them in the league after Q1 of 20/21 his position is untenable.
 

crmpicco

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Said this before about SG, the Pandemic came at the right time for him and took the heat right off. We’d just lost at home to Hamilton, just to put it in context.

He fits the ball as a Rangers manager in so many ways, but the most crucial one-domestic success-just hasn’t happened.

If we aren’t neck and neck with them in the league after Q1 of 20/21 his position is untenable.
You hit the nail on the head here. He fits the profile hugely but the measuring stick is domestic success and that’s something he’s been unable to do. There’s a chance he could nab a trophy next season but we need to find that winning mentality.
 

Cheech

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And theres a lot on this thread who have thrown in the towel for next season.

Let's face it, if gerrard wins the 2 cups that wont be enough. There will be a clamour for him to go if we dont win the league. This 10 is clouding peoples thinking. The last thing the team need is getting pressured from the first game. Can almost hear the abuse that's going to come just by reading this thread.
My fear exactly from reading through this thread. It might be a good thing playing in an empty stadium for the sake of the season. It just seems like a few people are one bad game away from spreading a poisinous attitude throughtout the support.
 

OohAhHuistra

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haven’t won anything in last 10 years.

Not long back in the top flight.

We have no divine right to win anything instantly - adding 10-12 points a season is as good as it gets on our budget.
You’re embarrassing yourself comparing us and Sheffield United, and I’m sure you know it or just aren’t that bright.

It’s also not instantly this will be our 5th season back with zero to show but you carry on peddling nonsense about Sheffield United who shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as us let alone compared.
 

HandsomeHead

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And theres a lot on this thread who have thrown in the towel for next season.

Let's face it, if gerrard wins the 2 cups that wont be enough. There will be a clamour for him to go if we dont win the league. This 10 is clouding peoples thinking. The last thing the team need is getting pressured from the first game. Can almost hear the abuse that's going to come just by reading this thread.
If he wins both cups and closes the gap on Celtic that might be enough to grant him another tilt at the title, but if he wins both cups and we’re still miles behind Celtic then I can understand why many would still see that as the end of the line.

Like it of not there will be enormous pressure on him and the players right from the word go next season and part of the reason for that it because we completely imploded after the new year and he appeared lost for answers as to why that was.

There’s no escaping just how shocking our collapse was and unfortunately it’s the last memories we have of the season.

He and his staff are going to have to work flat out over the summer to erase them.
 
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