No it’s not mate. That’s why I said you were away on a tangent.
We “lost an opportunity” not necessarily by using our own youth players, many of which weren’t up to it - but we could’ve/should’ve opted for or taken a chance on more youthful recruits from other parts of Scotland, UK or abroad.
Would they have been a rip roaring success - who knows?
Would the have joined our club? Most certainly considering the money we paid black, bell, Cribari.
Would we still have got promoted each season? Absolutely. I played in that division, it’s dire and a step down from most top junior leagues. Aucinleck Talbot could’ve won that league.
There was an opportunity there that we never exploited. Instead, we threw money at has beens to get us promoted.
Opportunity lost for the club thanks to the manager, board and Sinclair at the time.
Have you read the OP? Miller is having a dig about a lack of home grown talent. That's where the discussion started.
Our 17 years olds, in 2012 weren't good enough long term to become internationalists for Scotland.
Kal Naismith, Robbie Crawford, Blair Currie, Darren Cole, Kyle Hutton, Andy Murdoch, Tom Walsh, Daniel Stoney
NONE of these guys made much of a career at any level let alone get near the national team...and they were the highly rated ones.
Sinclair's youth set up was a shambles.
The point isn't that it was an opportunity lost. The point is that the opportunity for it to happen simply wasn't there and you're ignoring the reality of the situation to suit what you wanted to happen.
Certain players weren't required (Cribari etc) bit the converse of that isn't simply that we had an untapped youth setup which would have made (the right) headlines and we lost a Rangers version of the class of 92.
We could have done better during NIAR and yet we didn't. No club has perfect singing ratios. No one is arguing money was wasted but that was also the case during our peak in the 90s let alone during a period when we were scrambling for a licence to play football 24 hours before we kicked off our campaign.
Theres no point in saying it was an opportunity lost now when it was never in a position to happen. It's not like we had both paths to choose from and went the wrong way
Neither option was a positive solution
Did we have a youth player involved in the East Fife game?
No, they were all told they were being grouped together for training and playing ahead of the Chellenge Cup game against Stranraer in the midweek game
Your spelling was a bit ski wif there trying to find an excuse chief
My point and spelling looks fine to me.
Its "skew-whiff" btw. If you're going to be a smart arse, get things right yourself.
What's your thinking here anyway? That because we were managing the largest squad we've had in years in a tough run of games including 8 Euro qualifiers that we should deffo have played a youth player in that match despite the Stranraer game being on the horizon too?
Our new management team has been in place for a year and the youth set up organised properly for about 18 months. You think this is the end of it all and we should just chuck it because of that East Fife game?
He’s right.
It seems Kenny and Barry can't help themselves
Miller makes homegrown talent claim as he calls for Rangers to match Celtic
The former Ibrox star is worried about the lack of talent that has come through at Rangers in recent years and hopes it can improve for the sake of the national team.www.dailyrecord.co.uk
Every threadI have a large collection of butt-plugs!
Chellenge Cup ?
McGregor is imo, I reckon he could fit into most decent EPL sides outwith the top 6
That’s what I said. Outwith the top 6The guy is a decent player but never top six premiership level.
So when did your son get released?We have access to all of the best young talent in Scotland bar none . However we mess it up one way or another . Either we let them go or we leave them sitting on a bench .
We do not treat our young players and families with any respect at all and use them as a commodity. This is still happening so don’t just blame Sinclair who I agree was poor . Mulholland was also in a very high position during Sinclair’s time so spare me the oh what a difference he has made in the last 2 years .
And see the we had no scouting at youth level rubbish . All the scouts are still there that have been there for a long number of years and believe it or not they do a very good job getting the talent to see all their work ruined by the academy.
So when did your son get released?
We have access to all of the best young talent in Scotland bar none . However we mess it up one way or another . Either we let them go or we leave them sitting on a bench .
We do not treat our young players and families with any respect at all and use them as a commodity. This is still happening so don’t just blame Sinclair who I agree was poor . Mulholland was also in a very high position during Sinclair’s time so spare me the oh what a difference he has made in the last 2 years .
And see the we had no scouting at youth level rubbish . All the scouts are still there that have been there for a long number of years and believe it or not they do a very good job getting the talent to see all their work ruined by the academy.
Sorry to disappoint and and not feed your theory but I am giving an opinion based on what I have heard . I suppose it’s easy to ignore and just say ah they just aren’t good enough . That may well be the case but ask yourself this . How many players have we released / missed out on that have went on to make a very good career
Sorry to disappoint and and not feed your theory but I am giving an opinion based on what I have heard . I suppose it’s easy to ignore and just say ah they just aren’t good enough . That may well be the case but ask yourself this . How many players have we released / missed out on that have went on to make a very good career
As a friend of a family who have a son in the academy, I'm going to have to take issue with that.
It's simply untrue.
I suppose the whole question was about why are we not producing the players for the first team . I’m not saying what we are doing is wrong but clearly something isn’t working. Even Billy Gilmour at 16 I doubt would have been anywhere near the first team although clearly this is a guess .No more than any other club in the World is the answer to that question. I'm not sure how it strengthens your argument at all.
How many players have not made the grade at Rangers youth level and gone on to prove us wrong? It's not fucking many.
Even the likes of Ross McCormack who has done well from football isn't someone I'd say we got wrong. He wasn't good enough to last in our team past the spell that he had in it.
I doubt you could name 10 players post Souness who've left us that we've got wrong.
"Using the League Cup " are you joking?One aspect is that if we have a top class kid like Billy Gilmour a bigger club will take him. However we should be doing better at the youth development. How about using the league cup as a tournament for introducing the younger players?
I suppose the whole question was about why are we not producing the players for the first team . I’m not saying what we are doing is wrong but clearly something isn’t working. Even Billy Gilmour at 16 I doubt would have been anywhere near the first team although clearly this is a guess .
And do you have a better idea for getting the youth involved."Using the League Cup " are you joking?
So we haven't won anything of that calibre for about 100 years and you're suggesting we simply write off the League Cup?
We are not in any position to treat one leg of the domestic treble with such contempt
I suppose the whole question was about why are we not producing the players for the first team . I’m not saying what we are doing is wrong but clearly something isn’t working. Even Billy Gilmour at 16 I doubt would have been anywhere near the first team although clearly this is a guess .
And do you have a better idea for getting the youth involved.
Sometimes you need a bit of foresight.
Colt teams.
Will be Colt teams in the SPFL within 5 years - and probably in the Lowland league set-up within 3.More chance of getting a Colt 45 to the forehead than that happening
Will be Colt teams in the SPFL within 5 years - and probably in the Lowland league set-up within 3.
Sorry mate, Im keeping those for myself.What’s the euro numbers chief
If they're good enough they will be involved unless our manager is negligent in the extreme. But they have to show t hat theyre good enough before they start. Personally I would rather win the League Cup.And do you have a better idea for getting the youth involved.
Sometimes you need a bit of foresight.
One aspect is that if we have a top class kid like Billy Gilmour a bigger club will take him. However we should be doing better at the youth development. How about using the league cup as a tournament for introducing the younger players?
I don’t think there’s enough of a point to discuss apart from attacking an ex player for any reason possible or none.Brilliant.
Feel free to have grown up discussion about the point or %^*& off...
Your choice.