Preud'homme hasn't been sacked because he's turned clubs around, who haven't won trophies in years. He has over achieved with Genk and Twente where he almost won them the league.
If he was just a man that stuck to what he knew, why did he win manager if the year is all the countries he's managed? Including Holland. It's football, it's not like he specialises in another sport. So I don't get your point regarding he stuck to what he knows. He bought the likes of Dante for peanurs and sold him on. And where did he end up? Look at the players he brought through for under a million and sold for millions. It's not luck or a concidence.
Preud'homme hasn't been sacked because he's turned clubs around, who haven't won trophies in years. He has over achieved with Genk and Twente where he almost won them the league.
If he was just a man that stuck to what he knew, why did he win manager if the year is all the countries he's managed? Including Holland. It's football, it's not like he specialises in another sport. So I don't get your point regarding he stuck to what he knows. He bought the likes of Dante for peanurs and sold him on. And where did he end up? Look at the players he brought through for under a million and sold for millions. It's not luck or a concidence.
McClaren won it what a decade ago? So you can't compare. And are you talking Scottish players or players in general? Just look what the tims have done. Wanyama, Van Dyke etc.I wouldn't continue to go on about nearly winning the League with Twente given a manager apparently on the list and being ridiculed, actually won the League with Twente.
Which players from the Scottish Leagues have been sold on for "millions"? Our League simply doesn't attract or develop that raw talent to begin with.
I think, based on who has made successful Rangers managers in the past (other than Advocaat but that's a special case with a blank cheque book), McInnes is the standout candidate and not to get him when they went for Caixinha was a mistake and to overlook him again would be negligent. And yes, if we were full strength and he'd finished 3rd behind us, I'd say the same. It's glaringly obvious he's the best candidate.
I think Preud'homme has never been fired because he stuck to what he knows well (i.e. the Belgian and Dutch leagues), didn't stay put for any length of time, and then swanned off to the Middle East for an easy ride. This doesn't scream successful Rangers manager to me.
Preud'homme hasn't been sacked because he's turned clubs around, who haven't won trophies in years. He has over achieved with Genk and Twente where he almost won them the league.
I think it's clear that many managers are suited to one league, or a couple of closely related leagues (like the Dutch and Belgian). I don't think that necessarily translates to Scotland and it's a massive risk if he can man manage as effectively in a different culture where there is a core of Scottish players. Maybe he can, but it was the downfall of Le Guen who had an impressive CV - afterall, he'd never been fired and won stuff in France, right? It didn't translate to Scotland. By the same token, I don't think McLeish or even Walter Smith would have translated to the Belgian league very well.
Gent or Genk, who cares. You know the point I'm making. If you want to be technical when was the last time McClaren or anyone from that list mentioned, won a trophy? And compare it to Preud'homme and his record.Incidentally, it's Gent. Not Genk. And this was even longer ago than McClaren's Twente success.
So if Preud'homme was the Aberdeen manager, you think they'd win the league? No one who wants McInnes thinks he'd have us 2nd, we think with a bigger budget he'd win the league.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But you'll have the usual suspects on your case, saying with a higher budget McInnes will be able to do better. They have no evidence to back that up as he doesn't have the experience or record. McInnes may know our club, so did McCoist and look how that panned outMany of those chuntering endlessly about McInnes being the only sensible candidate have suggested he will bring ‘stability’ by guaranteeing second place. Rangers needs a winner at this point, not a guy who has a very unremarkable, some would say ‘plodding’ management style and record.
MPH both as a player and a manager has the pedigree and traceable provenance of winner, something glaringly lacking in that of DM. Given that there is s large section of our support entirely underwhelmed by the thought of DM and the proximity of his tenure to those of messers Warburton and Caixinha he’d be under the cosh the first sign of failure.
To your hypothesis in regard to MPH and Aberdeeen why would a manager of his pedigree and track record go anywhere a Mickey Mouse outfit like Aberdeen? Unlike DM his CV is not underwhelming and has no catastrophic failure such as the one DM delivered in Bristol.
Read the DM threads, the majority view is second place and stability, won’t challenge Rogers, hasn’t laid a glove on him etc. Rangers need a winner, a progressive manager, a nurturer of talent, a coach who can supersede Rogers financial advantage with shrewd identification of talent with a an eye on profiting majorly on that talent.
DM has little or nothing of the above in his CV and is seen even by many of his cheerleaders as a stop gap measure to bring second place and stability. Then what? Another managerial change, hardly stability!
Couldn't have said it better myself. But you'll have the usual suspects on your case, saying with a higher budget McInnes will be able to do better. They have no evidence to back that up as he doesn't have the experience or record. McInnes may know our club, so did McCoist and look how that panned out
Agree with you 100% mate. Appointing McInnes as manager, every team knows how McInnes sets up, including the media. They won't know how Preud'homme will set up initially. And Preud'homme has not one set formation from what I have read and saw, looks like he has a few systems he likes his teams to play.Exactly, too many in our support have been browbeaten into accepting that we are now at best second best. Hiring DM merely reinforces that thinking, giving the job to MPH makes an entirely different and resonating statement in regard to the clubs ambition, projected status and expectations.
Agree with you 100% mate. Appointing McInnes as manager, every team knows how McInnes sets up, including the media. They won't know how Preud'homme will set up initially. And Preud'homme has not one set formation from what I have read and saw, looks like he has a few systems he likes his teams to play.
I don't know much about MPH I will admit. He does sound impressive and the fact Porto and AC Milan were sniffing about speaks volumes for him.
But my main concern is can he do it on a smaller budget? I read on here that he spent 30 million plus in only 3 seasons. He'll get no where near that amount of money here.
I think Miller would accept a foreigner if he believes in him. I reckon Preud'homme would get the respect from all the players and players coming in, he was a world class goalkeeper in his time, his managerial record is excellent. He obviously knows how to coach his team, develop them and most importantly get results that end in trophies and leagues.I wonder if Preud’Homne is aware of the Kenny Miller insurrection against the previous manager and whether he’d have the board neutralise that potential issue prior to accepting the role. That is my nagging worry for any manager coming in, especially one from the continent given our supports jaundiced perception based on previous senior player insurrection.
If Kenny allows his ambition and influence to sabotage another manager, it could set us back, Giggs was reputed to have done the same to Moyes at Man U. The board really has to put a marker down in that regard making it plain to the 37 year old that his coat is on a very shoogly nail.
That is not just a concern for MPH but for any manager coming in, Player power must not be allowed to prevail against the critical progression of the club to where it belongs. Beyond that I think MPH’s style and winning mentality would be a breath of fresh air.
Pedro reputedly had 10m in one transfer window and there is reputedly a substantial war chest available for the January window, 3 x 10m is 30m, isn’t it?
I would have picked the guy who'd done a good job at Aberdeen, based on this being consistent with the profile of most successful Rangers managers.
Many of those chuntering endlessly about McInnes being the only sensible candidate have suggested he will bring ‘stability’ by guaranteeing second place.
No, we think he'll step up from the Sheep and win the league, stop putting words in the mouths of others.
Similar to how McLeish stepped up from Hibs and Motherwell and Walter Smith stepped up from Dundee Utd assistant.
I am not putting words in anyone’s mouths or indeed ‘taking them out’. Much of the narrative around DM is that he will deliver stability and guarantee second place.
When his cheerleaders are pressed for any evidence for this sudden upsurge in his management ability, entirely unseen as yet, they vaguely mention DM having extra cash thereafter their opinions are entirely based on blind hope.
So you rather go with McInnes, who you said you "think" he'll step up and take us to the next level and challenge Celtic because he will have more resources which waa restricting him from challenging. All based on hope.No, we think he'll step up from the Sheep and win the league, stop putting words in the mouths of others.
Similar to how McLeish stepped up from Hibs and Motherwell and Walter Smith stepped up from Dundee Utd assistant.
So you rather go with McInnes, who you said you "think" he'll step up and take us to the next level and challenge Celtic because he will have more resources which waa restricting him from challenging. All based on hope.
Compare that to Preud'homme who has a record for making teams into champions, when they haven't won a title in years. A man that can spot players, develop them and make them into assets for our club. A man who is tactically superior to McInnes.
You're comparing hope with McInnes to fact against Preud'homme, who's record speaks for itself. Strange thinking....
Then look at what Preud'homme did for the club's he managed? You're not giving the Belgium a chance. He's turned clubs around and won them trophies. He's took clubs who haven't won a title in 25 years to becoming champions. He has a track record of this.No, I'm looking at the evidence of how much of a mess the Sheep were before McInnes and where they are now. It's not as if they were sitting 3rd when our troubles started and just inherited 2nd place with business as usual. And he done this whilst developing and selling players for a profit.
On here it is most certainly not. You are lying through your teeth if you think posters on here think 2nd place is an achievement and McInnes is the man to deliver it.
There is plenty of evidence in his ability. He took Aberdeen from a bottom 6 side to a cup win, other cup finals, 2nd place in the league. Put it this way, if Preud'homme had done that job at Aberdeen, you'd be choking for him to get the nod. And realistically, it's all he could have done, winning the league is simply not possible when Celtic have a squad full of internationalists, even under Deila.
Then look at what Preud'homme did for the club's he managed? You're not giving the Belgium a chance. He's turned clubs around and won them trophies. He's took clubs who haven't won a title in 25 years to becoming champions. He has a track record of this.
But because he isn't British, or knows our game he won't be able to do that with Rangers? Did Brenden Rodgers know our game before joining Celtic? He never played here or managed in Scotland. Do they play a Scottish style? Yet they're unbeaten? I just don't get why you're so against foreign coaches who clearly are better than Derek McInnes?
The British game? The Scottish game is different from the English Premier league or you fishing?Is Rodgers a good example he had extensive knowledge of the British game and had a CV nothing like MPH it was more like a Moyes.
The British game? The Scottish game is different from the English Premier league or you fishing?
Is Rodgers a good example he had extensive knowledge of the British game and had a CV nothing like MPH it was more like a Moyes.
I'm struggling to comprehend how we could pick any of these candidates over Preud'homme.
I'll take MPH over DM any day of the week.
So did Warburton. What's your point? He failed to adapt and teams had us all figurer out. Warburton underestimated our league. Rodgers didn't know about the Scottish game, he may have watched it as a kid growing up but you think a manager in England would have time to watch Scottish football?He’s from NI he knew all about Scottish football and managed in the English lower leagues. It’s hardly an alien environment he moved to.
Can't believe this has went nearly 30 pages based on a planted story by the guys agent.
Guy was never considered??
Can I ask why he's not been considered ?
That proves absolutely nothing. I can write aliens have invaded Earth, sky sports understands. It means nothing. They're in the dark also, just reporting thinga to make you click it since its a big story.
It isn’t like Moyes as he’s never stayed anywhere that long, but he has managed and delivered relative success at a much higher level than McInnes.
His record before Swansea wasn’t great but he kicked on with them and came close to giving Liverpool their first title in 20 years.
He’s proving himself to be a decent manager with Celtc, albeit with the deck stacked heavily in his favour. His association with Jose and his Spanish coaching odyssey have perhaps afforded him more perceived gravitas than he deserves.
That proves absolutely nothing. I can write aliens have invaded Earth, sky sports understands. It means nothing. They're in the dark also, just reporting thinga to make you click it since its a big story.
It's not a question of trust. I just don't think the club would turn down a foreigner with an excellent record of winning, youth development and experience with turnimg clubs around for a British manager who is inferior. If that was the case the board should be hung, drawn and quartered for not performing their duty in getting us the best manager possible, regardless of nationality.I get you don't trust lads on FF or the media. But end of the day, we'll end up with a British manager. The club can't afford to make another mess of things.
Heart and Hand Podcast summed it up well. They'd board would not get away with messing up appointing a foreign manager and not making inroads, lesser risk homegrown, even if again there's a slight failure.
Club will play it safe.
That article by sky proves nothing. How many times have they said Sky sport's undertaands and got it wrong? They had Lemon as favourite for the Celtic job till Brenda took it. Sky is full of shiteIf that is the boards stance they will deserve every ounce of criticism coming their way if the next manager also turns out to be a dud .
Turning their noses up at a guy like MPH with his cv as they want a British manager that knows the Scottish game .
F.ucking hell
If that is the boards stance they will deserve every ounce of criticism coming their way if the next manager also turns out to be a dud .
Turning their noses up at a guy like MPH with his cv as they want a British manager that knows the Scottish game .
F.ucking hell
The fans won't forgive the board if they fail a third time. Questions will be asked and rightfully so. They'd be out the club if get this wrong. The fans will demand it.Indeed, but Heart and Hand summed it up perfectly.
The fans would probably forgive the board if the new man was 'a Proud Gers man' but fell short.
But certainly, there's no wriggle room if a foreign manager came in and failed. Just the way it goes sadly and the board would be slaughtered.
No doubt in my mind that if I was the one sifting through applications then Preud'homme would be regarded as an outstanding candidate and talks would begin.