L/COLNEYBEAR
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As a former Scotland fan went to Wembley many times it’s not me that’s moved away from Scotland it’s Scotland that has moved from me. I’m British first a unionist and I despise secessionists the new Scotland support is polluted with rabid nationalists and Rangers haters and that’s before we look at the current manager and the football authorities. Definitely not interested personally and I cannot wish them well.
I’ve just shown you the definition of each which you’ve chosen to ignore.But it’s not a country Scottish government website states it clearly , world atlas states it clearly you can’t get much clearer than that
Do a quick Google search - is Scotland a country the first thing you will see is a Scot gov artical - Scotland a nation - Scotland is a nation in the new state of United kingdom or sometving along those line clear its a NATION , also the 2nd article you will see is world atlas , so the actual world atlas witch defines countries ,telling you that Scotland only meats 2 out of 8 thing neededto be classed as a countryI’ve just shown you the definition of each which you’ve chosen to ignore.
https://www.gov.scot/about/what-the-government-does/
“The Scottish Government runs the country in relation to matters that are devolved from Westminster”
Look mate, acknowledging that Scotland is a country (but not a sovereign state) doesn’t make you any less of a Unionist, but whatever helps you sleep at night mucker.
You’re having a mare here mateDo a quick Google search - is Scotland a country the first thing you will see is a Scot gov artical - Scotland a nation - Scotland is a nation in the new state of United kingdom or sometving along those line clear its a NATION , also the 2nd article you will see is world atlas , so the actual world atlas witch defines countries ,telling you that Scotland only meats 2 out of 8 thing neededto be classed as a country
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Do you watch any International games? What about the Euros next year even if it’s for the Rangers players?They can f.uck right off. I hate everything about them. From their organisation figureheads, to their management team, to their fanbase, to their nationalist propaganda.
It's a no from me.
This 100%.If the SFA are serious about it they will change our ghastly national anthem. FoS only encourages yesser loon balls.
I feel absolutely nothing for Scotland, and I couldn't say what it would take to rekindle any positive feelings towards them.
Scotland isn’t a country. Wow, just wow.But the fact is Scotland isn’t a country I’m staying facts , there no definition it’s a fact
It’s a nation in the country of the United Kingdom my country is the U.K.Scotland isn’t a country. Wow, just wow.
Did you miss the part it has to fill all 8 to be classed as a country And we only fill 2 , you just missed that part outYou’re having a mare here mate
The link you’ve helpfully provided states it can fall on either side of the argument and that it only meets 2 of the 8 criteria of an INDEPENDENT nation.
Time to throw in the towel my man.
I watched the 1st half of England v Iceland the other night then switched over to I'm a celebrity at half time. These Nations League / glorified friendlies / qualifiers do nothing for me. It's even worse now with no fans. I very rarely watch any of them no matter who's playing.Do you watch any International games? What about the Euros next year even if it’s for the Rangers players?
Likely Borna up against Jack at Hampden
Also so if it Scotland is a country what is the U.K. ??It’s a nation in the country of the United Kingdom my country is the U.K.
Did you miss the part it has to fill all 8 to be classed as a country And we only fill 2 , you just missed that part out
There are eight accepted criteria that form the basis of whether a region is an independent nation or not. A country needs to fulfill all
Very true mate. That would be the beginning of it. I think it peaked when big Dunc got jailed and went downhill fast after that.Lets be honest about it mate, many started to turn against us when we began bringing in half the England team in the eighties.
Article in the Herald. Says it like it is really.
THE relationship between Rangers - or more specifically Rangers supporters - and the Scotland national team is a complex yet fascinating one.
It encompasses every aspect of life on and off the park as political opinions and club loyalties shape views and define behaviours when it comes to the support, or not, of the side that represent the country on the world stage.
At times it feels as though sections of the Rangers fanbase have never been more disillusioned or out of touch with Scotland and in many ways that disconnect is completely understandable. But, in a purely football and sporting sense, Scotland are good for Rangers and Rangers must be good for Scotland.
Steven Gerrard has spoken of his desire to see Scotland improve and succeed, and also of his delight at his players earning international recognition in recent times. The likes of Borna Barisic and Glen Kamara will be at the Euros next summer. That will raise their profile, but also that of Rangers and having players operating at the highest level can only further enhance the club's reputation. Gerrard has done so much on that front in a European sense and the more internationalists Rangers have the better. It is a shame, though, that there are not more players within Gerrard's ranks that can stake a claim to feature for Steve Clarke.
Going forward, and as the Ibrox squad evolves, that should be a consideration for Rangers and a club that has given so much to the national side over the years must once again be able to provide the backbone of the Scotland setup. Ryan Jack has become a mainstay of the side under Clarke in recent fixtures, but some Gers fans will only tune in to see if he plays well and emerges unscathed for his return to domestic and European duty.
The pride that Jack has in playing for his country is clear to see and it should be hoped that rubs off on those who dismiss Scotland duty. Rangers could certainly do with more like him and goalkeeper Jon McLaughlin. The lack of Rangers representation in the national squad over recent years may explain the apathy that some sections of the support have towards Scotland these days.
But more wide-ranging issues - such as the treatment their club received in 2012 and the Independence Referendum two years later - almost certainly have a significant part to play in the seeming shift away from the traditional backing that Gers fans once provided to the national side.
Last month, The Athletic carried out a survey of more than 8000 supporters to attempt to paint a picture of the relationship between Rangers fans and Scotland. There is no definitive answer to such a convoluted question, but it did at least offer an insight when it comes to the club versus country debate.
From a football viewpoint, it was no surprise to see that 68 per cent stated that their support for the national team had decreased since 2012. The feelings of anger and resentment from the fall-out of Rangers' financial collapse clearly still lingers in the minds of many and there is no desire to share a terrace or emotional connection with fans of clubs who wished them nothing but ill will eight years ago.
Indeed, 87 per cent of those that responded to The Athletic believed they would receive a negative reaction if they identified as a Rangers fan at a Scotland match. It is hard to conclude that figure would be as high for any other support in the country and while Rangers punters may dismiss it with the 'no-one likes us, we don't care' attitude, it is sad that fans feel they would be unwelcome at an event that is supposed to unite in the backing of a common, national cause.
While fans across the country revelled in Rangers' fight for survival and subsequent plights on their journey back, the Ibrox crowd remained admirably loyal and devoted to their club and their cause. Having come through what they have, the bond between fan and club is stronger than ever.
Many will have taken heart and pleasure from seeing Scotland end their wait to return to a major finals with victory over Serbia last week. But it will be nothing compared to the emotions when Rangers win their 55th league title. Scotland matters, but just not as much as Rangers, or as much as it does to fans of other clubs.
The team on the park is only part of the problem, though, and many will simply find it unpalatable to support Scotland for reasons other than football. When Scotland is divided politically, it is no surprise that the makeup of the fanbase is as well. While 55 per cent of those in the poll didn't think that being a Unionist was an important part of a Rangers fan's identity, 75 per cent believed that Nationalism was synonymous with the Scotland support.
It is too simplistic to say that the dual identity of being Scottish and British doesn't fit amongst the national support but views on Government and the Union will come into the thinking for some. Figures for ideology and voting preference in a referendum were broadly similar at around 65 per cent Unionist, 10 per cent Nationalist and a quarter neither.
In decades gone by, the Rangers support made up a huge percentage of the Tartan Army home and away and it would be healthy if the numbers were to swell once again. Scotland is as much theirs as it is anyone else's. But if it doesn't happen in the build-up to the European Championships, then it is hard to see how and when there will be a reconnection between Light and Dark Blue going forward.
Now is the time for Rangers to become prominent and lead the way for Scotland, both on and off the park, once again.
When they start respecting rangers maybe but now noThe manager was playing in Liverpool in 2012.
I was living in Glasgow.
The manager, any assistants, and every director on each and every board from here on in better get the message.
Fc_uk Scottish football and fc_uk the SFA.
Any Rangers player injured playing for this shower of rhats, should not be paid by the club.
Who gives a flying f**k about this on this post? I mean how is that strand of conversation really relevant to the OP?Do a quick Google search - is Scotland a country the first thing you will see is a Scot gov artical - Scotland a nation - Scotland is a nation in the new state of United kingdom or sometving along those line clear its a NATION , also the 2nd article you will see is world atlas , so the actual world atlas witch defines countries ,telling you that Scotland only meats 2 out of 8 thing neededto be classed as a country
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Is it not what the full post is about how the independent referendum disconnected some fans from the national team and how I find it sad that 10 % of fans support the SNP?? Or are you reading a different thread to meWho gives a flying f**k about this on this post? I mean how is that strand of conversation really relevant to the OP?
Jesus Christ this is like talking to a 4 year old.It’s a nation in the country of the United Kingdom my country is the U.K.
Did you miss the part it has to fill all 8 to be classed as a country And we only fill 2 , you just missed that part out
There are eight accepted criteria that form the basis of whether a region is an independent nation or not. A country needs to fulfill all
Just trying to make sure the bold James gets his facts straight. Don’t want to see a fellow Unionist make a fit of themselves if he was arguing his nonsense point with a separatist further down the line.Who gives a flying f**k about this on this post? I mean how is that strand of conversation really relevant to the OP?
I told you to a quick Google search is Scotland a country and what come up ?? Scotland the nation ?? You never answered it you dropped it t, do it and come back and tell me what you get ? If you get nation do you then knows there a difference between a country and a nationJesus Christ this is like talking to a 4 year old.
It says a country needs to fulfil all 8 to be recognised as an independent nation. No one is arguing that Scotland is independent.
I note that you’ve dropped the argument about the ScotGov website since that was also nonsense.
You’re making an arse of yourself.
You do realise that the terms country and nation aren’t mutually exclusive? Look up the definition of the word country before you keep making a fool of yourself.I told you to a quick Google search is Scotland a country and what come up ?? Scotland the nation ?? You never answered it you dropped it t, do it and come back and tell me what you get ? If you get nation do you then knows there a difference between a country and a nation
This is painful.You do realise that the terms country and nation aren’t mutually exclusive? Look up the definition of the word country before you keep making a fool of yourself.
Can’t have people like him going up against separatists on social media and hurting the Unionist causeThis is painful.
I do admire your persistence in your endeavours to educate fellow supporters.
a country is a group of people governed by a government, which is the final authority over those people. ... A nation refers to a group of people bound together by common language, identity, ethnicity, history etcYou do realise that the terms country and nation aren’t mutually exclusive? Look up the definition of the word country before you keep making a fool of yourself.
You do realise that the terms country and nation aren’t mutually exclusive? Look up the definition of the word country before you keep making a fool of yourself.
The UK is sovereign state consisting of 4 countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.It’s a nation in the country of the United Kingdom my country is the U.K.
Did you miss the part it has to fill all 8 to be classed as a country And we only fill 2 , you just missed that part out
There are eight accepted criteria that form the basis of whether a region is an independent nation or not. A country needs to fulfill all
Just shut up and stop digging matea country is a group of people governed by a government, which is the final authority over those people. ... A nation refers to a group of people bound together by common language, identity, ethnicity, history etc
Explains it perfectly the United Kingdom country governs Scotland the nation
Yes but is the UK a country or do we need to wait until Brexit is fully concluded before we can regain that title?The UK is sovereign state consisting of 4 countries. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
You are arguing semantics of international law. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland aren't sovereign countries in International law, but they are still countries. FFS man.
Great answer mate and great answer to your Google searchJust shut up and stop digging mate
Very true mate. That would be the beginning of it. I think it peaked when big Dunc got jailed and went downhill fast after that.
I'm only saying this because I remember our pub, which was a Rangers one, was still getting behind scotland at the wc in the 1990, especially remember the sat night game against sweden.
countryGreat answer mate and great answer to your Google search
Who are we governed by the U.K. government ?? 1 of 8 reasons we are not a countrycountry
/ˈkʌntri/
noun
- 1.
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory