Seriously - What Can Gerrard do About Morelos?

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  1. RichmondVARFC

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    We've been doing it all season and are still in the mix. Would prefer to be competitive in the league race with the odd sending off rather than not play Morelos. Ideally Morelos stops being thick as shit and reacting, but right now that doesn't look terribly likely going by recent history.
     
  2. Its-Sebo

    Its-Sebo Well-Known Member

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    Just learned your first sweary word wee man?
     
  3. wager

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    I think a lot of his problems arise from frustration at seeing the opposition kick us all over the park with no action from the refs. Maybe if the club..Gerrard .. Started questioning the refs performance's rather than ignoring them , that level of frustration would diminish
     
  4. Jelle1880

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    Gerrard needs to make it clear that he has to be more careful, that is all. Those saying to sell him know %^*& all about football
     
  5. YOGI_GER

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    Sorry, as much as I love him he will never learn
     
  6. 1960bear

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    I posted this on another thread before seeing this one but here goes again. If Morelos has to wisen up what should he have done to prevent the first yellow card last night?
     
  7. baystatebear

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    That's the problem in a nutshell. We need him because he is our main goalscorer, but given his dodgy latin temperament and the calculated provocations he is subjected to by opponents - which inevitably lead to red cards and suspensions. Unless Morelos can clean up his act we can either offload him for the best fee we can get, or accept the fact that we are going to end up playing a man down on a regular basis.
     
  8. subversive_bear

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    How many - and which - games will he now miss?
     
  9. TCWNS1872

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    Here's the thing.

    His yellow card in isolation isn't a yellow per se. However, as it is him and it is clumsy, he draws needless attention to himself. Did he need to make the tackle as opposed to jockeying the Aberdoom player? You could argue, no. He makes it easy for someone as incompetent as Maclean to sanction him. But, and this is the kicker, had he not made that tackle he would have been booked for something else however innocuous as I think that Maclean had been instructed pre-match to clamp down on his clumsy challenges in a direct response to Levein's accusations from the weekend.

    Once Alfie is in the book, it is open season on him as opposition players know for a fact that he can be provoked eventually if they are allowed to persistently foul him. He can't even slyly try to get his own back because he is a marked man for a) opposition players not involved directly with him during the passage of play who are instructed by their manager to complain to the referee b) the officials because they can't afford to be seen to be unfairly favouring Rangers by protecting one of our players and c) tv and radio media draw attention to every little gesture he makes whether he is shielding the ball, backing in to a defender, challenging for a ball on the deck, in the air or otherwise. In other words he is marked man because he is Rangers main man. Ergo he must be stopped by foul means or fair.

    Stevie can't drop him and nor should he in my mind. It would be detrimental to both individuals and the team, and that does no one any favours including us fans. He could drop him privately by saying he's picked up a knock but that would be counter productive in terms of the player's happiness and is therefore a non-starter.

    In a nutshell, Alfie needs to exercise self-control. If it means play-acting to do so, then so be it. All he needs to do is avail himself of an Ally McCoist dvd library of diving subtly to alleviate physical pressure on himself and get defenders who are trying to kick him, booked.

    The sooner he does this the better it'll be for all concerned from a Rangers perspective. And along the way it'll get right up the noses of all the haters.
     
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  10. LOL 133

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    I think SG has told him to stay down for a few seconds when he gets fouled. Ive noticed he does this more often now and Im sure its designed to give him time to cool down a bit.

    Id also like to see more support from other players. Aberdeen players were screaming for cards throughout the game. Why dont we smarten up and learn some tricks ourselves?
     
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    They do. It's evident with the 2 cards for the Aberdeen player who got sent off.
     
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    Not gone in for the tackle. There was absolutely no need for him to get involved there.
     
  13. Sebo1872

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    1. Not commit niggly fouls
    2. don't bring attention to himself by arguing with the ref about a decision that had nothing to do with him
    3. don't barge into an opponent.
     
  14. derbybear

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    He wasn't good on Wednesday.
     
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    3 times in the first half he wasn't looking at the ball when challenging - asking for trouble.
     
  16. Arminius

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    He’s a young player who is still finding his feet as the hottest Rangers goal scorer in years.

    He’s going to have to realise damn quickly that being a Rangers player brings far more unwanted attention from referees and the mhedia than playing for any other club on world football.

    So, all Gerrard can do is keep working with the wee man and keep giving him all the support and guidance he needs.

    He needs to understand he’ll have his toes stood on, nipped, elbowed, shoved and all manner of Spanish insult thrown at him by the scum players in other clubs. He has to learn, and learn quickly, how to cope with it.
     
  17. Marstonbear

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    Some perspective.

    Morelos has made 79 appearances with us. 3 red cards, one of which was rescinded. So effectively 2 reds in 80 games approximately 1 per season.

    He could certainly work on cutting out the unnecessary cards for petulance and dissent.

    I don't know if he's learning English but I certainly think that would help him. I also think if he got more involved in some of the Clubs community activities, it might help him integrate more into the Scottish way of life and make him a little less combustible.

    Maybe some sessions with a sports psychologist would help?
     
  18. JCDarcheville

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    So you don’t think we had a significantly better chance of scoring with 11 men on the park?

    Mental. He cost us, maybe not a certainty but he cost us our huge chance of victory.

    It shouldn’t be defended. He needs to be told in no uncertain terms that he is paid to do a better job than that.
     
  19. Daviecoopersleftfoot

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    And there lies the problem, until there is a decent threat to his position he will act as he wants.
     
  20. LOL 133

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    You never miss an opportunity to contradict. Makes me wonder.

    When Ferguson "wiped out" Goldson, quote by Tom Miller at RTV, followed up by pushing Jack to the ground, no one protested. The ball broke to an Aberdeen player who clashed with Flanagan and a foul was given to Aberdeen. Where were the Rangers' players mobbing the ref?

    Ive noticed for some time that you like to undermine posters making points. You're subtle but at it constantly. Why would you do this, unless?
     
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  21. Dave570

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    Did he not write a song, "How do we solve a problem like Morelos":)
     
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  22. Macattack

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    He should know he is the first target for opposition defenders even Stevie Wonder can see that so why does he react like a spoilt child screw the heed ffs.
     
  23. CM13

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    I honestly can’t get my head round anybody saying sell him. Have you not watched us this year ? If he doesn’t play well & score we tend to struggle. 17 goals before Xmas is a good record. I agree 100% that he needs to work on his discipline but we need to improve the squad so that when he does get booked (first one on Wednesday is never a booking btw) we can take him off a replace him with somebody capable of making an impact. Only other option is Lafferty who was lucky not to be sent off on Wednesday as well and he’s not looked anywhere near Morelos level. He’s a young boy who needs to learn when to walk away and how to curve his frustration if he wants to make the next step up in his career. Also for people wanting him “fined heavily” you can’t just fine one player and not others who are sent off. This technically only his 2nd red card. Arfield on Sunday put us under added pressure but because we won its forgotten about no shouts of fines or sell him in January.
     
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  24. Johnoblue

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    His petulance will see him continue to let us down, I have no doubts about that, he is a decent player but at the present time we are not good enough to play others with 10 men, his attitude and short fuse will continually be an issue.
    SG I assume fully knows what needs to be done with him but you cannot constantly keep Morelos in the team when he so predictably gets booked and sent off, he cant be defended for ever, id bite the hand off any decent offer in excess of 8 mill, don't ask me who replaces him as I don't know, that would be M.A. and SG's, call, personally I think we will keep him till the end of the season then ship him out.
     
  25. Barryhopez

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    You make a claim in your post that isn't true, and I pointed out that the players were involved, for 2 separate cards, hardly shocking. Will we pretend that the players didn't ask for cards despite it being evident so we can hold some kind of narrative?

    I've noticed for some time that people post something made up to try and emphasise their point.

    Unless what you wonder? :rolleyes:
     
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  26. mendes

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    Petulance? If players were booting you all through a match and the ref was ignoring it but you do something and they are immediately on your back and you are getting booked, you be alright with that?
    I know I wouldn't be..

    whilst I can understand the annoyance of yet another Red card by some posters, I do think the club should highlight the total imbalance by Refs who see everything with regards our players and in particular Alfie but are blind to tackles made on our players and again in particular Alfie.

    Alfie for me is a marked man.
     
  27. Bornagain

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    Is this garbage replacement worse than having a man down?
     
  28. Johnoblue

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    Please stop making excuses for him, you get kicked, you kick back, but be clever about how you do it, he is constantly behaving like a spoilt school kid, he has to be far cuter than he is right now, he makes it very easy opposition players to noise him up for refs to book him, most of the bookings seem to come from his petulant attitude. There is a time and a place to get your revenge, he could try to show a wee bit more control of his emotions, and when the opportunity arises nail the fucker.
     
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    It seems evident that Gerrard and the backroom staff are getting nowhere in curtailing Morelos' reactive behaviour on the pitch. Every Tom, Dick and Harry now target Morelos with impunity and it seems to form all opposition team's plan and tactics that he is easily wound up. Therefore, Gerrard should employ a psychologist with specialist knowledge of anger management to treat Morelos (and an interpreter of course). Morelos clearly has issues in this regard and if it is not dealt with soon it may be the ruination of a very promising career.
     
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  30. mendes

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    Or maybe he just expects the rules to apply to all players the same..you know, Parity! there is no denying that Alfie is a marked man and anyone that doesn't think so, is kidding themselves on
     
  31. mendes

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    So, everyone can target Alfie and not get booked yet he is the one that needs a psychologist! How about we show the differences in refereeing in this country and examples of what others do to him who don't get booked and what Alfie does and does get booked.
     
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    We really need an able player to back him up, it was so obvious on Wed that he was gonna get sent off, it when when rather than if, get a decent forward in Jan then I'd be tempted to just hook him when you can see it coming, he will soon learn then
     
  33. Cyberniv

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    The best way to get one over on someone trying to get you to react, is to not react.
    He clearly doesn't agree and seems to want to make a point. I'm not sure what his point actually is and who he is making it to.
    Maybe it could be trained out of him. Give him a real hard time until he gets it.
    Tugs, nips, elbows, trips, barges etc.
    One thing is obvious, he has to change his ways, because opponents are not going to change their's. If anything it will get worse and refs are watching him.
     
  34. mendes

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    few points from your comments
    You ask what the point is Alfie is making/asking- It might just be that he is sick and tired of being treated differently from other players who boot him and never get booked or rarely get booked and if the refs are watching then why aren't they also watching opposing players & why aren't they booking them the way they do Alfie?
     
  35. 1960bear

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    So, the answer is that Morelos doesn't make challenges, doesn't barge into people, has to accept being targeted and refereed to a different standard, allow opponents to challenge and barge him. In other words take away most of the qualities that make him the player he is and allow opponents to do to him what he is not supposed to do himself. That seems fair enough I suppose.
     
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    Howcmany times has he been rightfully sent off?
     
  37. Gers

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    3 sendings off and it’s only December. What else can a manager say to someone who clearly doesn’t listen. If this was anyone else other than out best striker/possible best player he would be chased out of ibrox. Imagine it was tav follow follow would get a petition for him no to play again! Morelos has had his chance from me he’s a let down great potential but can’t keep worrying if he will get sent off. Sell him in January and reinvest the money in a quality striker or 2!
     
  38. 1960bear

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    Someone will obviously come up with one but I can't remember Morelos actually committing a really bad challenge/foul.
     
  39. Cyberniv

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    I'm not disputing any of that, but we have to start somewhere and we need to start from the real position of where we are now, not where we think we should be. He's not the first player to be singled out by opponents, but he is one of very few who an opponent can rely on to react.
    Opponents know this, so do referees.
    Colin Stein got the same and worse because he was known to have an edge.
    The answer is to stop reacting, the problem is how to get him to do that.
     
  40. the count

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    I give you Bud Johnston, how long did it take for him to realise his hot head was hurting the team and there was nobody stricter than Willie Waddell and he struggled with Bud, Bud's main prob was getting kicked up and down the park and he would retaliate whereas Davy Wilson picked himself up and got on with it, similar skill diff personalities. If memory serves the ref's were shit then also.
     
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    The answer could be for us as a club to demand Refs protect our players/Alfie and that they do their job and treat all players as equals because right now, some are certainly more equal than others.
     
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    Don't think anyone is saying that. He has to react in a way that doesn't attract cards.
    Stop indulging himself in stuff that achieves the square root of %^*& all would be a start.
    Dissent and lashing out is playing into the hands of opponents and referees.
     
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    Neither can I but, others can boot him and walk away without being booked.
     
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    There was talk that we were already doing that and so we should be, but in the meantime, it makes the Club's task much harder when Alfie goes out and gets himself involved.
    In the middle of our complaints, he undermines them.
    He has a big part to play in sorting this out. He can't be absolved from all responsibility.
     
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    Spot on
     
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    If he doesn't get his sh.it together he'll just be a liability to us & get punted, so if he wants a career at a decent level he'll have to knuckle down & do what he does best, score goals

    He's also lucky he didn't get another red card for sarcastically applauding the referee.
     
  47. BrooklynBlue

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    How long do you drop Morelos for? What are you expecting him to do during this time?

    The idea of dropping our most dangerous player (and most valuable asset) is nonsense.
     
  48. Bornagain

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    I don't know mate. But there needs to be discipline. I don't want to drop him either. I don't want to see him getting sent off constantly either
     
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    No doubt they are drumming it into him not to be petulant when things go wrong and stop the stupid wee niggly fouls.One thing for sure,he's victimised by the whole non Rangers side of scotshit football and beyond.The 2 yellow cards on wed were a disgrace from a referee who deemed the elbows attacks by bowman against Cardoso last season did not even merit a foul.He gets kicked and pulled and pushed every game and refs ignore it but punish his every 50/50 challenge.Just watching the speed at ref mclean rushing to get his card out for Morelos compared to way he took his time thinking of the consequences of sending off the aberdeen player shows what they are doing.A marked man and every opposing player and manager ruhing the ref at every opportunity shows what a horrible shower of lowlife we're up against.But anyway I think he is the only person who can do anything to change his game but surely it will have a negative effect on him.It is like the treatment Wee Bud got and they forced him out of scotland.We're up against a country of scum who hate the thought of us being successful but are only too happy to see St Pats mens' club win everything going.phuck 'em all.C'mon the Gers do it for us.
     
  50. Midfield General

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    Anger management to help him control his short fuse.Also it would really help him if he could speak some English,even some wind up phrases.He gets kicked about the park every week,most players would respond with comments about the other guys sister,mother,girlfriend/boyfriend to get some thing back or a response.Alfredo can't do that so his only recourse is to lash out.
     

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