Victims lawyer urges Celtic to set millions aside

bearmind

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Just have to hope one victim tells them to %^*& off and see them at court
I hope so too. However, there will be enormous pressure from the abused victim's lawyers to them to settle out of court or risk receiving a much lower award. The lawyers on both sides will have it wrapped up before it reaches a court. Just proves that courts are about the law and not justice.
 

Crispy Bacon

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There's also the question of whether Celtic have any insurance which would cover them against legal claims.
Sick of seeing this.

You think they have pedo/crime insurance? Whos offering that?

I get there is liability insurance etc but nobody would pay out on negligence of this scale.
 

Earl of Leven

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Seriously why has no one ever connected the dots?

Celtic BC, Celtic FC, the trophy centre, the Fairbairn (is that the right name?) charity, the links with Barry Bennell, Saville etc.
Because no one wants to. Scotland has no investigative journalists left and the ones who come closest won't take on the Establishment team....or they won't work again.
 

JayDee

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Don’t think insurance companies cover you for criminal negligence (if nothing more sinister) like getting a speeding ticket and trying to get your insurance to pay it
It has been suggested that they might have insurance which covers civil claims. Like I said, it's a question, not something I know for sure.
 

Arminius

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If it drains their bank account then that's fine by me.
It's actually not fine with me.

I'd genuinely like to see them receive the deserved scorn from the entire world for the appalling way they've thwarted any attempts to have these terrible events dealt with sympathetically and justly. The money side of it is important, but having them admit to their culpability and to sincerely apologise to the poor victims of these events is equally important.
 

ThomasMRFC

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If this story was the other way round there fans would be everywhere. On the tv, on social media, on blogs etc not letting the story die. They would be vandalising our stadium. Pressuring the media, the govt, support groups. Yet we as a fan base just don’t have the appetite and they know it
 

borderbluenose

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Nothing on BBC Radio 5 live or Radio2 News just looked at the daily mail a zookeeper with one case of abuse and Elvis presley may have been a paedo as he had girlfriends aged 14 NOTHING re the CELTIC employee with 26 years of abuse Nothing in Glasgow teletext runs a story on Vodaphone?
 
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Arminius

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I can’t see any insurance company covering this. You really would have to question that.
Bizarrely, where liability insurances are concerned, my understanding is that the company would need to have liability insurance in force at the time of the claim being submitted (not on the date the alleged claims events took place) and that that policy would need to cover the event upon which the claim is being raised.

So, if Separate Entity FC have an existing liability insurance in place now, it would need to be in force at the time of the claim being submitted against them. In addition, the policy would need to include liabilities arising from sexual assault of minors by club officials or employees, and the known possibility of any likely claims being submitted would need to have been disclosed at the time of the renewal of the policy.

Given that everyone and their dog is now aware that that lot have potential claims piling up against them, not to mention how unlikely it would be for an underwriter to even offer paedo cover, I think it most unlikely that they have insurance for this type of event at this moment of time.
 

Superrangers

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Bizarrely, where liability insurances are concerned, my understanding is that the company would need to have liability insurance in force at the time of the claim being submitted (not on the date the alleged claims events took place) and that that policy would need to cover the event upon which the claim is being raised.

So, if Separate Entity FC have an existing liability insurance in place now, it would need to be in force at the time of the claim being submitted against them. In addition, the policy would need to include liabilities arising from sexual assault of minors by club officials or employees, and the known possibility of any likely claims being submitted would need to have been disclosed at the time of the renewal of the policy.

Given that everyone and their dog is now aware that that lot have potential claims piling up against them, not to mention how unlikely it would be for an underwriter to even offer paedo cover, I think it most unlikely that they have insurance for this type of event at this moment of time.
Indeed. A very good point.

You just couldn’t underwrite that.
 

ThomasMRFC

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Bizarrely, where liability insurances are concerned, my understanding is that the company would need to have liability insurance in force at the time of the claim being submitted (not on the date the alleged claims events took place) and that that policy would need to cover the event upon which the claim is being raised.

So, if Separate Entity FC have an existing liability insurance in place now, it would need to be in force at the time of the claim being submitted against them. In addition, the policy would need to include liabilities arising from sexual assault of minors by club officials or employees, and the known possibility of any likely claims being submitted would need to have been disclosed at the time of the renewal of the policy.

Given that everyone and their dog is now aware that that lot have potential claims piling up against them, not to mention how unlikely it would be for an underwriter to even offer paedo cover, I think it most unlikely that they have insurance for this type of event at this moment of time.
Exactly. And as someone stated. Compensation for historic child abuse is capped at 10k a victim I think. Celtic know they can pay it. They are fighting because they fear the consequences of being guilty. The PR, anything the govt, SFA can do (however unlikely). For them this is brand protection not money which in itself is horrible but they think we might as well try Cos either way we have to pay the same amount unless they can work there seperate entity defence
 

tobeornottobe

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Seriously why has no one ever connected the dots?

Celtic BC, Celtic FC, the trophy centre, the Fairbairn (is that the right name?) charity, the links with Barry Bennell, Saville etc.
Fairbridge was the company though freudian slip as judge Lord John McCluskey was a director and his mates Nicky Fairbairn QC and Robert Henderson QC were alleged nonces.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/raped-aged-4-scots-tory-4047789

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00176613/officers?page=2
 
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albop

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Exactly. And as someone stated. Compensation for historic child abuse is capped at 10k a victim I think. Celtic know they can pay it. They are fighting because they fear the consequences of being guilty. The PR, anything the govt, SFA can do (however unlikely). For them this is brand protection not money which in itself is horrible but they think we might as well try Cos either way we have to pay the same amount unless they can work there seperate entity defence

is the cap not for criminal compensation that would be paid by the goverment

if the victims sued celtic directly them surely thee would be no cap
 

yosser hughes

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its not about how much or how little they will have to pay out, although it would be nice to see them getting hit for a fortune, the main thing here is their guilt being coerced from them only under duress they need to take responsibility and face the consequences, they will forever be known as the club who faciliated sexual abuse of minors in their care ,that is their history from now on in, but we must all play a part, they will try to forget all this and move on as if it never happened ,we as citizens of this country need to let them know that we will remind them of their actions (and lack of action) every day
 

Harthill Bill

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Patrick McGuire, of Thompsons Solicitors, is representing some of McCafferty's victims in civil cases.

He called for action from Celtic Football Club.

"McCafferty's connection with Celtic is now utterly undeniable," he said.

"We now know that some of the abuse took place in Celtic premises. What he did was groom the boys but at the same time groom the parents, always with Celtic dangling on the end of a stick as a golden carrot. It's just utterly unforgivable.

"McCafferty's conviction is probably the last conviction that we'll see in a Celtic setting. But what's never happened is any form of financial justice for the survivors of abuse at Celtic Park and that's why now all eyes are on the board of Celtic Football Club to do the right thing."
Disappointing and pretty timid statement from McGuire in all honesty.
 

ElDalto

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Seriously why has no one ever connected the dots?

Celtic BC, Celtic FC, the trophy centre, the Fairbairn (is that the right name?) charity, the links with Barry Bennell, Saville etc.
Those dots have been connected on here time after time. That's what makes this whole thing more galling. It’s all in the open, all anyone had to do was look.

There is no appetite to do so in this country, the child abuse enquiry that doesn’t look at sporting institutions and religious institutions is testament to that.
Anyone that mentions it is a point scoring bigot.

Every click at the turnstiles is another person condoning what has went on at this club. Ignoring it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in your name.
 

BothwellBear

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Those dots have been connected on here time after time. That's what makes this whole thing more galling. It’s all in the open, all anyone had to do was look.

There is no appetite to do so in this country, the child abuse enquiry that doesn’t look at sporting institutions and religious institutions is testament to that.
Anyone that mentions it is a point scoring bigot.

Every click at the turnstiles is another person condoning what has went on at this club. Ignoring it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in your name.
Someone put together an accurate one pager, with references linking them all and then it gets circulated.
 

RBRFC

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Those dots have been connected on here time after time. That's what makes this whole thing more galling. It’s all in the open, all anyone had to do was look.

There is no appetite to do so in this country, the child abuse enquiry that doesn’t look at sporting institutions and religious institutions is testament to that.
Anyone that mentions it is a point scoring bigot.

Every click at the turnstiles is another person condoning what has went on at this club. Ignoring it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in your name.
There is now irrefutable proof that McCafferty was in league with Barry Bennell, there was Neil Strachan Celtic BC East's secretary general, a man who ran the largest paedophile ring in the UK. Celtic Boys Club was so obviously a massive paedophile ring. Everyone knows this.

The entire rancid and grotesque cult that is Bheast FC should be outlawed and proscribed in a civilized, descent society.
 
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