daviemc1872
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drugs are a massive issue, so readily available at such a young age.
I think the issue is that nobody really knows what “world class” means.Such an irrelevant argument you’re making
How much of the Welsh thing is down to their clubs being in the English structure?
Playing better youngsters can only help drag up your own standard. That’s why it was good for Gerrard/Rangers to line up as many games againstThat's impossible to quantify but I'm convinced that young players regularly tested against, and training with, the very best youngsters will benefit Welsh players. I assume English clubs also invest almost as much time & money inside Wales as they will in England; a young Ryan Giggs is just as valuable to Man Utd as a local kid from Manchester.
Playing better youngsters can only help drag up your own standard. That’s why it was good for Gerrard/Rangers to line up as many games against
non-Scottish opposition.
Giggs moved to Manchester when he was 6 but yes, the English clubs clearly will scout in Wales.
I think the issue is that nobody really knows what “world class” means.
In my opinion Andy Robertson is the best left back in the world. For me that makes him world class.
If you are comparing him with left backs of the past he’s certainly not going to be the best ever. So in some people’s eyes that might mean he isn’t world class.
He would be first choice left back in any team in the world.
He fits the Liverpool system well, but nobody is convincing me he's better than guys like Jordi Alba or Marcelo.
You could put Robertson in either the Barca or Madrid team and he wouldn’t look out of place.
You could say that about hundreds of players. Drop a good player into a well oiled machine and they will comfortably hold their own.
If Robertson starts tearing it up with Scotland and makes a difference game in game out then we can talk about World Class (albeit it is difficult to do this from left back).
It's all about our interpretation of World Class but I think alot of the time folk get mixed up between a World Class player and a player playing in a World Class team (if that makes sense ).
Interestingly, the players originally quoted have largely developed abroad. Suarez moved to Europe at 19, Sanchez at 18 and Bale was in the Southampton youth system from the age of 10.
Shakiri is world class!!Most countries don’t produce world class players. Our problem is we can’t produce enough “good” players. Switzerland for example don’t have any world class players but they are far superior to Scotland.
Would Marcelo do that?
Indeed. It’s a question of where the bulk of their development comes in and even in the case of a rough diamond, how much potential is spotted. Bale, for instance, I would say was a later developer. The other two?But to get that move abroad they must have had a certain amount of talent in the first place.
Perhaps but maybe Scottish clubs can’t afford the treatment Barcelona gave Messi?drugs are a massive issue, so readily available at such a young age.
Name 10 better left backs than Andy Robertson and you will have validated your point.
You could say that about hundreds of players. Drop a good player into a well oiled machine and they will comfortably hold their own.
If Robertson starts tearing it up with Scotland and makes a difference game in game out then we can talk about World Class (albeit it is difficult to do this from left back).
It's all about our interpretation of World Class but I think alot of the time folk get mixed up between a World Class player and a player playing in a World Class team (if that makes sense ).
Me neither he is good but not world class, he’s hardly Franz Beckenbaur is he.I’ll come under fire but I don’t see Robertson as world class.
Good postI don't believe alcohol intake has a bearing on our status. Doubt very much that many, if any, player in the SPL abuses this. On the Andy Robertson debate, had he stayed in Scotland with any team, he'd still be bang average. So the coaching he's got at L'pool is the difference. Finally our dreadful league setup is a contributing factor. Opponents only need to know who to physically bully (not outplay) when they plan for their next game. We play each other far too often, familiarity leads, in this case, to apathy.
He's a Left back who is in the EPL team of the year and the only out and out LB in the CL Squad of the year.You’re defining world class as the best 110 players in the world?
Surely best 11 or maybe top 20 players can only truly be defined as world class?
All depends on the definition.
What a very odd comparison.Me neither he is good but not world class, he’s hardly Franz Beckenbaur is he.
To answer the OP the reasons are doing to coaching and infrastrucure
because like I said it’s irrelevant. Think about it, he needs me to name 10 better left backs or else Robertson is by default world class... it makes less than no senseWhy don’t you actually make an argument to back up your point rather than just saying “what an irrelevant argument”
I then made the further point that Robertson has been named as best LB in the EPL by making the team of the season and is the ONLY out and out LB in the UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season.because like I said it’s irrelevant. Think about it, he needs me to name 10 better left backs or else Robertson is by default world class... it makes less than no sense
I don't believe alcohol intake has a bearing on our status. Doubt very much that many, if any, player in the SPL abuses this. On the Andy Robertson debate, had he stayed in Scotland with any team, he'd still be bang average. So the coaching he's got at L'pool is the difference. Finally our dreadful league setup is a contributing factor. Opponents only need to know who to physically bully (not outplay) when they plan for their next game. We play each other far too often, familiarity leads, in this case, to apathy.
Based off what? A decent season for Chelsea 18’s?Billy Gilmour?
Tierney is a bloody good player as much as that pains me.No world class players if you listen to our media we have loads,Tierney,McGregor,Forrest,thumb heid,to name a few.
sasa papcRobertson not world class?!
Tell me who is world class if he isn? What absolute nonsense.
Shakiri is world class!!