There is no silver bullet but it’s obvious that one key factor is the agenda against us, while others get away with hatred and bile worse than than anything we have been found guilty of. While I would have the restraint to not sing things that would get the club into trouble, it’s abundantly obvious that there will always be those for whom defiance is a justification while others are not punished.What is your solution?
So we apologize for everything and let them do what they want with no comeback?End up being booted out of Europe and Gerrard leaving.
Terrific plan.
1. How can the board possibly stand up for the club when it’s so clear we’re in the wrong?There is no silver bullet but it’s obvious that one key factor is the agenda against us, while others get away with hatred and bile worse than than anything we have been found guilty of. While I would have the restraint to not sing things that would get the club into trouble, it’s abundantly obvious that there will always be those for whom defiance is a justification while others are not punished.
Two things that absolutely must happen are:
- The Board start standing up for the club, challenging charges, looking for evidence and highlighting injustices and inconsistencies in the current system, with UEFA and demanding that FARE’s operations are laid bare and their agenda challenged.
- as a support we must harass UEFA and he mhedia to within an inch of their lives regarding the behaviour and singing of others, so it is made clear that this status quo cannot continue and that other cannot behave as they currently do with impunity.
Point one might need the fans to lobby the club.
If the alternative is being booted out of Europe and Gerrard walking, then yes.So we apologize for everything and let them do what they want with no comeback?
We tried that 15 years ago and here we are
That sort of attitude has gotten us to where we are. Once they target one thing, they move onto the next. There has to be a line in the sand where we start to stick up for ourselves. It’s not a case of defending the indefensible, it’s a case of challenging the system and the agenda of FARE, etc. The behaviour of the scum that support Celtc and the lack of punishment of them and others has to be challenged. If you don’t stand up for yourself, you will always be the easy target.1. How can the board possibly stand up for the club when it’s so clear we’re in the wrong?
2. If people want to spend their lives doing that, fair enough.
IMO forget everyone else. Clean up our hymn sheet, as it so desperately needs cleaning up, and we’ll be just fine.
That worked out well for him in the past .Michael Stewart rarely speaks as a pundit, instead he is manoeuvring for his political career.
Where are we exactly?That sort of attitude has gotten us to where we are. Once they target one thing, they move onto the next. There has to be a line in the sand where we start to stick up for ourselves. It’s not a case of defending the indefensible, it’s a case of challenging the system and the agenda of FARE, etc. The behaviour of the scum that support Celtc and the lack of punishment of them and others has to be challenged. If you don’t stand up for yourself, you will always be the easy target.
As I have posted elsewhere, the songs they are going after are those that we have sung with the greatest voracity over time and those that have helped make Ibrox an intimidating place at times in Europe. By preventing the singing of these songs, we lose that. The traditional Rangers songs, e.g. Wolverhampton Town, Down the Copland Road, etc. will never be as intimidating, it’s just the nature of the songs and how they are sung. Other clubs, let’s say Celtc, are still allowed to sing their bile that generates an intimidating atmosphere at their hovel and so we are being penalised and losing an advantage that they have. That’s not acceptable. Our position is weakened and that’s where we are.Where are we exactly?
Singing what we want for the past few years. Anything goes really. 2019 and still singing about 19th Century Terrorists and the Pope. Only now UEFA have gone after TBB again, as they did 13 years ago. Many on here believing it’s fair enough.
You make it out as though we’re not being allowed to sing or do anything.
Going back to the topic at hand, we did release an orange strip last year and wore it on a good few occasions. No problems.
So Stewart said we should ban our tangerine strip because of its connotations so by that reckoning the tramps should be removing all traces of tricolours from their club/support because of its connotations right?Only a matter of time until we have nothing left as a club.
From the Daily Record
Derek Ferguson and Michael Stewart in Rangers on-air ding-dong as pair clash over orange strips
Ferguson and fellow BBC pundit Billy Dodds backed their former side but Stewart claims the Ibrox side can do more in the wake of their UEFA sectarian hammer blow.
ByGraeme Young
15:26, 24 AUG 2019UPDATED15:33, 24 AUG 2019
Derek Ferguson has labelled Michael Stewart "petty" after the pair were involved in a fierce debate over Rangers' role in sectarian chanting at Ibrox.
Ferguson and fellow BBC pundit Billy Dodds backed their former side over their full and frank reaction in the wake of UEFA's partial stadium closure for offensive singing within Ibrox.
At least 3000 supporters will miss Thursday's Europa League clash with Legia Warsaw on Thursday but Stewart reckons the club can do more and reckons binning orange strips is a must.
The club, Steven Gerrard and Dave King all delivered strong messages on Friday but the debate continues to rumble on.
The Ibrox side wore a 'tangerine' away kit last season but the former Hibs and Hearts midfielder reckons potential religious connotations means the colour should be scrapped.
Rangers previously had an orange kit in 2002/03 when the club was jam-packed with Dutch stars like Arthur Numan and Ronald De Boer.
But Stewart claims he isn't buying an ode to former players as the reason for the club choosing that look in recent seasons.
He told Sportsound : "Can you not recognise the connotations that has when there isn't a single Dutch player at the club.
"If you talk about what more the club can then not putting out orange strips, I don't think anyone would say why aren't we respecting our Dutch players that were here a generation ago.
"Clearly that doesn't help the situation.
"To say it's purely down to the Dutch players, even if you take that at face value. What benefit is that having to the whole debate?
But Derek Ferguson had heard enough.
He responded: "I think it's petty what you've come up with.
"In my opinion it's petty and I think orange strips were in respect to the Dutch players.
"Rangers are a family, we don't forget, and I absolutely love getting together with the Dutch boys during legends games.
But Stewart interjected: "Do you see the connotation that has now?"
BBC pundit Michael Stewart
(Image: BT Sport)
Ferguson bit back: "It's a marketing ploy by Rangers and it's in respect of the Dutch boys - that's what I think.
"That (religious connotation) never even crossed my mind, there you go."
But Stewart kept going and probed further: "Do you not think that crosses the mind of a section of the club's supporters?
Ferguson replied: "I don't know, I cannot read minds."
Stewart doubled down on his point after Billy Dodds interjected.
He added: "Clubs can wear whatever colour they want, you guys are making the suggestion, that the clubs are doing everything they can and I am countering that by saying 'no they are not'."
Little michael is an attention seeking wee walloper.Yet it seems all they have ever managed to achieve is to get UEFA to ban us from using one word and two specific songs/chants.
I think the orange jerseys will be safe indefinitely.
These slippery slope arguments are based on nothing tangible at all.
Right now we have no strict liability in Scotland at all. They aren't going to punish the club over orange kits or flying the Union Jack or doing the bouncy. There is nothing to suggest these things will ever be banned in any capacity.
UEFA have shown them the ONLY route to effectively punishing us. A single word that we could easily, EASILY, stop using. A couple of songs that could easily go away.
Then they have NOTHING.
Don't know why people are fear mongering to this degree.
Let them rant and rave.
Sing Rangers songs and keep ourselves out of bother and then laugh at the inevitable implosion when we are champions of Scotland again.
Stewart is politically charged and has an enormous issue with Rangers.... whether his failed trial has anything to do with that if anyone’s guess...I listened to it,Stewart was pathetic.
What part is nonsense?Stop talking nonsense.
What’s your plan then? Keep singing the songs?
You must have missed the past (almost) 20 years where our Oranje final is still a contentious issue.Doesn't change the fact the TBB and FTP have to go. This stuff comes from the half wit Michael Stewart. No one but no one is coming after us for orange strips.
That sort of attitude has gotten us to where we are. Once they target one thing, they move onto the next. There has to be a line in the sand where we start to stick up for ourselves. It’s not a case of defending the indefensible, it’s a case of challenging the system and the agenda of FARE, etc. The behaviour of the scum that support Celtc and the lack of punishment of them and others has to be challenged. If you don’t stand up for yourself, you will always be the easy target.
The simplest solution is often the correct one.As you say, they WILL come after us for everything and anything but providing we play it smart then they won't catch us out, they will only succeed in showing themselves up for what they are.
W.A.T.P.
We also need to harass UEFA about fare and their agenda.There is no silver bullet but it’s obvious that one key factor is the agenda against us, while others get away with hatred and bile worse than than anything we have been found guilty of. While I would have the restraint to not sing things that would get the club into trouble, it’s abundantly obvious that there will always be those for whom defiance is a justification while others are not punished.
Two things that absolutely must happen are:
- The Board start standing up for the club, challenging charges, looking for evidence and highlighting injustices and inconsistencies in the current system, with UEFA and demanding that FARE’s operations are laid bare and their agenda challenged.
- as a support we must harass UEFA and he mhedia to within an inch of their lives regarding the behaviour and singing of others, so it is made clear that this status quo cannot continue and that other cannot behave as they currently do with impunity.
Point one might need the fans to lobby the club.
Interesting, I didn't know thatFrom wikipedia:
"Presented as a gift in 1848 to Thomas Francis Meagher from a small group of French women sympathetic to the Irish cause,[3][4] it was intended to symbolise the inclusion and hoped-for union between Roman Catholics and Protestants, the significance of the colours outlined by Meagher was, "The white in the centre signifies a lasting truce between Orange and Green and I trust that beneath its folds the hands of Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics may be clasped in generous and heroic brotherhood.""
Both celtic and hibs strips pay homage to their Irish roots yet strangely there is no orange anywhere to be seen????
What say you Michael? Why is that? Why is it even referred to as green, white and gold without question?
Naw. Not interested? Aye right ye are. Just what I thought.
Tims can be offended by the Sash or Derry walls, but there is nothing in them which could get us banned. It's an Irish folk song like the Soldiers song.Said several times give it a few months of no sectarian singing at Ibrox and they will find something else to beat us with.
This is just the beginning.
Ban the sectarian shite.
Be prepared for what comes next.
That won't matter.Tims can be offended by the Sash or Derry walls, but there is nothing in them which could get us banned. It's an Irish folk song like the Soldiers song.
Exactly. If the Orange shirt is viewed as supporting the links with our fan base and the Orange Order then that is positive support and shouldn't be regarded as negative.I have no interest or involvement in the Orange Order, but I see no problem with a shirt that reflects that element of the culture of our support. There is nothing sectarian about it.
This won’t go down well, but there’s a valid point in this argument.
The Club knew exactly what they were doing in producing an orange strip. They looked for financial gain, from the leanings of the support. So, whilst taking the media out of the equation, they profited from a view that they now seem to find repugnant. The UB’s have been thrown under the bus throughout this situation, but the Club encouraged supporters to buy an orange strip, solely down to the fact they knew it’d sell well.
Before anyone responds, tell me if you think a yellow, pink, purple or multicoloured top would’ve sold as well.
The Club can’t criticise with one hand, and profit in the other. They need to pick a stance and stick to it.
Edit - I don’t have an issue with the top, just the Clubs ‘flip-flop’ view. They can’t have it both ways.
Nobody is going after anything. You have one total tit bring this up. You can't ban a colour FFS.Had to laugh at posters yesterday saying they won't go after anything after the songs, gullible fools.
Stop talking nonsense.That won't matter.
See the thread regarding a break down of what FARE find acceptable or not.
This is not over by a long shot.