Lenzie Loyal
Well-Known Member
Thank you, mate.
I don't see an answer to your question in that link?
Where does it mention over 100 victims?
Thank you, mate.
I don't see an answer to your question in that link?
Where does it mention over 100 victims?
I don't see an answer to your question in that link?
Where does it mention over 100 victims?
fired this off to michael grant tonight,see if we can provoke a reactions....similar to others sent but mixed up a bit.
Dear Michael,
Following your recent article in which you express your opinion on Glasgow Celtic FCs sexual abuse scandal and how it has been conducting its business into the compensation of its victims of the past 40 years or so, which to date has been non existent truth be told,after all,it is only now,we are seeing some progress made on the compensation for victims now,with around 20 test cases coming to court out of the 100 plus cases currently waiting.
Having read recent articles from some so called journalists regarding the outrageous,historic sex abuse that went on within Glasgow celtic fc for the past 40 -50 years , I note that you are again,trying to follow this pattern of trying to pervert the course of true journalism,by deflecting attention away from the crime scene,that is celtic park and the secrets and cover ups that have gone on there over the past decades,by portraying it as point scoring and attempts to see your team trashed,which is absolutely not the case here,so I need to ask, is this your own choosing ,due to the club you support?,or is at the request of a recently employed pr company called hollicom? ,or indeed,is it perhaps on the instruction of a certain chairman associated with a well known east end of Glasgow football club ,known and proven for its enabling,facilitation and harbouring of paedophiles within its employ with the club and its associated clubs?....which is it?,bacause there has been cover up after cover up ,going on within that club for the past 40 plus years and nobody at that club can be trusted to tell the truth.
There is no need to even attempt to smear other clubs with the same paedophile brush as celtic fc,the other clubs have nothing to hide,unlike celtic fc,who have hidden the truth for 40 plus years and perverted the course of justice in that time.
Amazingly,I find that neither you or your journalist fraternity have taken this issue by the horns over the years and did some proper,investigative journalism by questioning the perpretators of this historic sexual abuse,the harbourers,the facilitators,the enabalers ,as to why they permitted this abuse to go unreported at their club for so long,without it being reported to the police?,why they then set about covering it up by way of a web of deceit and lies and NDA’s?
Also,i’d asky you,why you and your other journalists have failed to demand for a full and independent public inquiry into this historic sexual abuse,or even questioned government officials,as to why they have ignored the abuse scandal and failed to acknowledge the victims and set out a course of justice for them.
I raise the following questions for you to investigate and I welcome your response to them,once you uncover any evidence of wrong doing,which I am most certainly sure you will,if you set about it correctly
1.why you have tried to tar Glasgow rangers with the same brush as celtic and its historic sexual abuse?
2.why have you not investigated the historic child sex abuse at celtic fc in more depth and published the truth?
3.why haven’t you investigated the cover ups and NDA’s which were allegedly signed to buy silence?
4.why did celtic not report it to the police?
5.why did celtic pervert the course of justice by failing to report a crime against minors?.
6. is there a connection between the uks worst paedophile jimmy Saville and celtic? ( openly photographed at celtic park with father o connell and jock stein ...yet Saville was never photographed at any other Scottish ground).
7. why did celtic fc make four payments of £250,000 to convicted paedophile jim torbetts trophy centre company over a period of 12 months?...was it to buy his silence?.
8. why did kevin Kelly deny having any business links to torbetts trophy centre company and others,when he is listed as co -owner of at least 3 companies with torbett?.
9.have you questioned or pursued kevin Kelly,jack mc ginn or peter lawwell for their statements on what really went on within that club and why they employed paedophiles and then re-employed them?
10 is there more to this historic child sexual abuse than we know?,is it covering up something more sinister ?,something reaching far higher in society than just celtic fc?.
11.have you questioned the sfa on their role and knowledge of this historic sexual abuse,given that celtic fcs board members have been members of the sfas board?
12. have you questioned the sfa/spfl on what sanctions/punishment they plan to dish out on celtic fc for their crimes against humanity and bring the country and football into grave dis-repute? ( this also applies to UEFA and fifa ).
13. have you questioned Gerry mc sherry,who handed a list of 14 paedophiles allegedly working within celtic fc ( 7 of whom have been convicted) or indeed police Scotland,as to what they did with the list and what actions they have taken.
14.why has the majority of mainstream journalists like yourself and football show pundits such as hugh keevins,roger Hannah ,mark guidi (who i'm led to believe is related to one of the convicted paedophiles),michael stewart,willie miller,tom english,pat bonner to name but a few,refused to discuss this matter on open football phone ins,yet set out to destroy rivals Glasgow rangers over ebts (legal at the time)?...WHY?
15.HAVE YOU DEMANDED OR BACKED DEMANDS FOR A FULL PUBLIC AND INDEPENDENT INQUIRY INTO THIS CLUBS HISTORIC SEXUAL ABUSE? AND IF NOT...WHY NOT?
16. have you asked peter lawwell ,what the result of his secret internal 2 year inquiry into the clubs paedophilia was and if it will be made public instead of being hushed up?
17. have you asked why peter lawwell and celtic broke stock market rules by failing to inform the London stock exchange of this internal investigation into paedophilia within the club?.
18> have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to tell the truth to company auditors,by not revealing the internal investigation ,thus rendering two years worth of accounts as being untrue?.
19. have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to inform investors both current and potential of his 2 year secret investigation,which would have undoubtably had an impact on share prices and investment at the club?
20 .have you asked the sfa/spfl why this club has not been taken to task and had its operating licences suspended pending investigation,or at worst ,thrown out of football altogether for the sexual abuse,after all ebts were legal and rivals Glasgow rangers were practically destroyed at the behest of peter lawwell and his cohorts within Scottish football,this is sexual abuse,where the perpetrators should be jailed and placed on the sex offenders list......you can decide which moral high ground you take and who you choose to defend.
I,as a member of the public,am DEMANDING that you investigate the points raised and report in your paper ,your findings truthfully and without prejudice.This club has committed the worst sporting sexual abuse scandal ever in the history of sport,even worse than penn state in America,where celtic fc may find themselves in litigation over sexual crimes committed by frank cairney in Kearny on boys club business (which was covered up).
So ,I would urge you to do your investigative journalism and report the truth....for once.
I await your response to the points raised.
Time to maybe change that statement to who didnt knowTommy Burns knew
Tom Boyd knew
Paul Mcstay knew
Billy McNeil Knew
Fergus McCann Knew
Pat Bonner Knew
Lawell knew
Kelly knew
Jock Stein knew
And the list goes on and on everyone who knew and is alive should be jailed and those that have passed should have there names ran into the gutter!the sick scumbags that support and deflect from the shame and crimes committed by this club should hang their heads in shame!
Stockholm syndrom feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim towards a captor.
Walker should be removed from Sky Sport immediately. He has been found out now, after Macari's statement, to be exactly what we all knew all along. Sky will lose viewers if they back this sneaky underhand bigot, and have to remove him now!Sky fired Andy Gray from commentating for making a sexist remark about a female linesman (using older terminology here).
And yet they still employ a man to commentate who has no negative comment about a convicted paedophile and actually sided with him
fired this off to michael grant tonight,see if we can provoke a reactions....similar to others sent but mixed up a bit.
Dear Michael,
Following your recent article in which you express your opinion on Glasgow Celtic FCs sexual abuse scandal and how it has been conducting its business into the compensation of its victims of the past 40 years or so, which to date has been non existent truth be told,after all,it is only now,we are seeing some progress made on the compensation for victims now,with around 20 test cases coming to court out of the 100 plus cases currently waiting.
Having read recent articles from some so called journalists regarding the outrageous,historic sex abuse that went on within Glasgow celtic fc for the past 40 -50 years , I note that you are again,trying to follow this pattern of trying to pervert the course of true journalism,by deflecting attention away from the crime scene,that is celtic park and the secrets and cover ups that have gone on there over the past decades,by portraying it as point scoring and attempts to see your team trashed,which is absolutely not the case here,so I need to ask, is this your own choosing ,due to the club you support?,or is at the request of a recently employed pr company called hollicom? ,or indeed,is it perhaps on the instruction of a certain chairman associated with a well known east end of Glasgow football club ,known and proven for its enabling,facilitation and harbouring of paedophiles within its employ with the club and its associated clubs?....which is it?,bacause there has been cover up after cover up ,going on within that club for the past 40 plus years and nobody at that club can be trusted to tell the truth.
There is no need to even attempt to smear other clubs with the same paedophile brush as celtic fc,the other clubs have nothing to hide,unlike celtic fc,who have hidden the truth for 40 plus years and perverted the course of justice in that time.
Amazingly,I find that neither you or your journalist fraternity have taken this issue by the horns over the years and did some proper,investigative journalism by questioning the perpretators of this historic sexual abuse,the harbourers,the facilitators,the enabalers ,as to why they permitted this abuse to go unreported at their club for so long,without it being reported to the police?,why they then set about covering it up by way of a web of deceit and lies and NDA’s?
Also,i’d asky you,why you and your other journalists have failed to demand for a full and independent public inquiry into this historic sexual abuse,or even questioned government officials,as to why they have ignored the abuse scandal and failed to acknowledge the victims and set out a course of justice for them.
I raise the following questions for you to investigate and I welcome your response to them,once you uncover any evidence of wrong doing,which I am most certainly sure you will,if you set about it correctly
1.why you have tried to tar Glasgow rangers with the same brush as celtic and its historic sexual abuse?
2.why have you not investigated the historic child sex abuse at celtic fc in more depth and published the truth?
3.why haven’t you investigated the cover ups and NDA’s which were allegedly signed to buy silence?
4.why did celtic not report it to the police?
5.why did celtic pervert the course of justice by failing to report a crime against minors?.
6. is there a connection between the uks worst paedophile jimmy Saville and celtic? ( openly photographed at celtic park with father o connell and jock stein ...yet Saville was never photographed at any other Scottish ground).
7. why did celtic fc make four payments of £250,000 to convicted paedophile jim torbetts trophy centre company over a period of 12 months?...was it to buy his silence?.
8. why did kevin Kelly deny having any business links to torbetts trophy centre company and others,when he is listed as co -owner of at least 3 companies with torbett?.
9.have you questioned or pursued kevin Kelly,jack mc ginn or peter lawwell for their statements on what really went on within that club and why they employed paedophiles and then re-employed them?
10 is there more to this historic child sexual abuse than we know?,is it covering up something more sinister ?,something reaching far higher in society than just celtic fc?.
11.have you questioned the sfa on their role and knowledge of this historic sexual abuse,given that celtic fcs board members have been members of the sfas board?
12. have you questioned the sfa/spfl on what sanctions/punishment they plan to dish out on celtic fc for their crimes against humanity and bring the country and football into grave dis-repute? ( this also applies to UEFA and fifa ).
13. have you questioned Gerry mc sherry,who handed a list of 14 paedophiles allegedly working within celtic fc ( 7 of whom have been convicted) or indeed police Scotland,as to what they did with the list and what actions they have taken.
14.why has the majority of mainstream journalists like yourself and football show pundits such as hugh keevins,roger Hannah ,mark guidi (who i'm led to believe is related to one of the convicted paedophiles),michael stewart,willie miller,tom english,pat bonner to name but a few,refused to discuss this matter on open football phone ins,yet set out to destroy rivals Glasgow rangers over ebts (legal at the time)?...WHY?
15.HAVE YOU DEMANDED OR BACKED DEMANDS FOR A FULL PUBLIC AND INDEPENDENT INQUIRY INTO THIS CLUBS HISTORIC SEXUAL ABUSE? AND IF NOT...WHY NOT?
16. have you asked peter lawwell ,what the result of his secret internal 2 year inquiry into the clubs paedophilia was and if it will be made public instead of being hushed up?
17. have you asked why peter lawwell and celtic broke stock market rules by failing to inform the London stock exchange of this internal investigation into paedophilia within the club?.
18> have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to tell the truth to company auditors,by not revealing the internal investigation ,thus rendering two years worth of accounts as being untrue?.
19. have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to inform investors both current and potential of his 2 year secret investigation,which would have undoubtably had an impact on share prices and investment at the club?
20 .have you asked the sfa/spfl why this club has not been taken to task and had its operating licences suspended pending investigation,or at worst ,thrown out of football altogether for the sexual abuse,after all ebts were legal and rivals Glasgow rangers were practically destroyed at the behest of peter lawwell and his cohorts within Scottish football,this is sexual abuse,where the perpetrators should be jailed and placed on the sex offenders list......you can decide which moral high ground you take and who you choose to defend.
I,as a member of the public,am DEMANDING that you investigate the points raised and report in your paper ,your findings truthfully and without prejudice.This club has committed the worst sporting sexual abuse scandal ever in the history of sport,even worse than penn state in America,where celtic fc may find themselves in litigation over sexual crimes committed by frank cairney in Kearny on boys club business (which was covered up).
So ,I would urge you to do your investigative journalism and report the truth....for once.
I await your response to the points raised.
It’s POSs more than 100I don't see an answer to your question in that link?
Where does it mention over 100 victims?
received this reply from alyson evans at SFA,note it is dated july and makes no mention of the fact that celtic are inextricably joined with their boys club,also states 4 men have been convicted of offences and not 7 ...a response will be drafted later.
FIFA Briefing Report on Non-Recent Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football
Background Since November 2016 a number of individuals have come forward to report their experiences of sexual abuse in childhood while involved in football. The first person to come forward was Andy Woodward in England, who gave a televised interview to the BBC. This interview led many other individuals, almost exclusively adult men, to come forward in the subsequent months and years to report that they too had been sexually abused while children involved in football in both Scotland and England. Several clubs, at different levels of our national game, have been affected by allegations and subsequent criminal convictions.
The Independent Review As a result of survivors coming forward in Scotland, in early 2017 the Scottish FA Board commissioned an Independent Review into sexual abuse in Scottish football. The terms of reference for the Review are: To consider whether or not and to what extent the Scottish FA was aware of the matters highlighted and now brought to its attention; To consider what steps were taken by the Scottish FA during the relevant periods in relation to the protection of children brought to its attention at that time and to identify any failings or deficiencies on the part of the Scottish FA in that regard; To consider what steps were taken by its members and/or affiliated and/or associated organisations, either at the time of them being made aware or subsequently, and identified as relevant to the alleged incident(s) and to those concerned. This will include responses, decisions and actions either taken or omitted; and, To consider what lessons have been learned by the Scottish FA and its members and/or affiliated and/or associated organisations since those incidents took place and following any investigations that have taken place to ensure that the risk of abuse is reduced and where possible eliminated.
Martin Henry was appointed as the independent lead of the Review. Martin is a qualified social worker and his professional expertise is in the investigation and assessment of child sexual abuse and in working with men who have problematic sexual behaviours, including those who offend online.
An interim report from the Review was published in July 2018 and is available on the Scottish FA website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/...-abuse-inscottish-football_interim-report.pdf This report made 95 recommendations for change across Scottish football and we are working collectively to implement these recommendations. An update on the implementation of the recommendations, published on 11 June 2019, can also be read on our website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/child-wellbeing-and-protection-qa/?rid=13929
The final report from the Review will be published once the current criminal proceedings are concluded, since the Review team has received legal advice that to publish the report in full at this time would prejudice the criminal process. This final report will cover the terms of reference in full, in particular what steps have been taken in relation to individual cases.
Celtic Football Club and Celtic Boys Club To date, four men with previous involvement in Celtic Boys Club have been convicted of offences related to the sexual abuse of children with offence dates spanning the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Three of these men perpetrated their offences directly through their involvement in Celtic Boys Club, with the fourth convicted of offences committed while working as a teacher. Celtic Football Club’s position is that Celtic Boys Club is a separate legal entity to Celtic Football Club. This position has been the subject of media investigation, with recent investigatory reports in the Times newspaper, for example.
Current Standards for Child Wellbeing and Protection in Scottish Football Standards related to the wellbeing and protection of children and young people are included in the Scottish FA’s Club Licensing system, which includes an annual audit. The criteria can be accessed on the Scottish FA website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/4676/scottish-fa-club-licensingmanual-2019.pdf Therefore for any of our member clubs to hold a Club License there requires to be assessment of the standards the club has in place related to child wellbeing and protection and no License will be awarded unless the minimum standards are evidenced as being in place at the club. In December 2017 sportScotland, the national agency for sport in Scotland, launched new Standards for Child Wellbeing and Protection in Sport, and we are currently working to embed these Standards within the Scottish FA and our members through the Club Licensing System and child wellbeing and protection audits.
Alyson Evans Child Wellbeing and Protection Manager Scottish FA 9 July 2019
Tommy great work.
You might want to add a line in your correspondence that one day this sad affair will be fully exposed and everyone in a position of power will be judged by their action or inaction.
This might be enough to stir some of them to be pro-active.
fired this off to michael grant tonight, see if we can provoke a reaction ... similar to others sent but mixed up a bit.
Dear Michael,
Following your recent article in which you express your opinion on Glasgow Celtic FCs sexual abuse scandal and how it has been conducting its business into the compensation of its victims of the past 40 years or so, which to date has been non existent truth be told,after all,it is only now,we are seeing some progress made on the compensation for victims now,with around 20 test cases coming to court out of the 100 plus cases currently waiting.
Having read recent articles from some so called journalists regarding the outrageous,historic sex abuse that went on within Glasgow celtic fc for the past 40 -50 years , I note that you are again,trying to follow this pattern of trying to pervert the course of true journalism,by deflecting attention away from the crime scene,that is celtic park and the secrets and cover ups that have gone on there over the past decades,by portraying it as point scoring and attempts to see your team trashed,which is absolutely not the case here,so I need to ask, is this your own choosing ,due to the club you support?,or is at the request of a recently employed pr company called hollicom or indeed,is it perhaps on the instruction of a certain chairman associated with a well known east end of Glasgow football club ,known and proven for its enabling,facilitation and harbouring of paedophiles within its employ with the club and its associated clubs?....which is it?,bacause there has been cover up after cover up ,going on within that club for the past 40 plus years and nobody at that club can be trusted to tell the truth.
There is no need to even attempt to smear other clubs with the same paedophile brush as celtic fc,the other clubs have nothing to hide,unlike celtic fc,who have hidden the truth for 40 plus years and perverted the course of justice in that time.
Amazingly,I find that neither you or your journalist fraternity have taken this issue by the horns over the years and did some proper,investigative journalism by questioning the perpretators of this historic sexual abuse,the harbourers,the facilitators,the enabalers ,as to why they permitted this abuse to go unreported at their club for so long,without it being reported to the police?,why they then set about covering it up by way of a web of deceit and lies and NDA’s?
Also,i’d asky you,why you and your other journalists have failed to demand for a full and independent public inquiry into this historic sexual abuse,or even questioned government officials,as to why they have ignored the abuse scandal and failed to acknowledge the victims and set out a course of justice for them.
I raise the following questions for you to investigate and I welcome your response to them,once you uncover any evidence of wrong doing,which I am most certainly sure you will,if you set about it correctly
1.why you have tried to tar Glasgow rangers with the same brush as celtic and its historic sexual abuse?
2.why have you not investigated the historic child sex abuse at celtic fc in more depth and published the truth?
3.why haven’t you investigated the cover ups and NDA’s which were allegedly signed to buy silence?
4.why did celtic not report it to the police?
5.why did celtic pervert the course of justice by failing to report a crime against minors?.
6. is there a connection between the uks worst paedophile jimmy Saville and celtic? ( openly photographed at celtic park with father o connell and jock stein ...yet Saville was never photographed at any other Scottish ground).
7. why did celtic fc make four payments of £250,000 to convicted paedophile jim torbetts trophy centre company over a period of 12 months?...was it to buy his silence?.
8. why did kevin Kelly deny having any business links to torbetts trophy centre company and others,when he is listed as co -owner of at least 3 companies with torbett?.
9.have you questioned or pursued kevin Kelly,jack mc ginn or peter lawwell for their statements on what really went on within that club and why they employed paedophiles and then re-employed them?
10 is there more to this historic child sexual abuse than we know?,is it covering up something more sinister ?,something reaching far higher in society than just celtic fc?.
11.have you questioned the sfa on their role and knowledge of this historic sexual abuse,given that celtic fcs board members have been members of the sfas board?
12. have you questioned the sfa/spfl on what sanctions/punishment they plan to dish out on celtic fc for their crimes against humanity and bring the country and football into grave dis-repute? ( this also applies to UEFA and fifa ).
13. have you questioned Gerry mc sherry,who handed a list of 14 paedophiles allegedly working within celtic fc ( 7 of whom have been convicted) or indeed police Scotland,as to what they did with the list and what actions they have taken.
14.why has the majority of mainstream journalists like yourself and football show pundits such as hugh keevins,roger Hannah ,mark guidi (who i'm led to believe is related to one of the convicted paedophiles),michael stewart,willie miller,tom english,pat bonner to name but a few,refused to discuss this matter on open football phone ins,yet set out to destroy rivals Glasgow rangers over ebts (legal at the time)?...WHY?
15.HAVE YOU DEMANDED OR BACKED DEMANDS FOR A FULL PUBLIC AND INDEPENDENT INQUIRY INTO THIS CLUBS HISTORIC SEXUAL ABUSE? AND IF NOT...WHY NOT?
16. have you asked peter lawwell ,what the result of his secret internal 2 year inquiry into the clubs paedophilia was and if it will be made public instead of being hushed up?
17. have you asked why peter lawwell and celtic broke stock market rules by failing to inform the London stock exchange of this internal investigation into paedophilia within the club?.
18> have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to tell the truth to company auditors,by not revealing the internal investigation ,thus rendering two years worth of accounts as being untrue?.
19. have you asked peter lawwell ,why he failed to inform investors both current and potential of his 2 year secret investigation,which would have undoubtably had an impact on share prices and investment at the club?
20 .have you asked the sfa/spfl why this club has not been taken to task and had its operating licences suspended pending investigation,or at worst ,thrown out of football altogether for the sexual abuse,after all ebts were legal and rivals Glasgow rangers were practically destroyed at the behest of peter lawwell and his cohorts within Scottish football,this is sexual abuse,where the perpetrators should be jailed and placed on the sex offenders list......you can decide which moral high ground you take and who you choose to defend.
I,as a member of the public,am DEMANDING that you investigate the points raised and report in your paper ,your findings truthfully and without prejudice.This club has committed the worst sporting sexual abuse scandal ever in the history of sport,even worse than penn state in America,where celtic fc may find themselves in litigation over sexual crimes committed by frank cairney in Kearny on boys club business (which was covered up).
So,I would urge you to do your investigative journalism and report the truth....for once.
I await your response to the points raised.
Tommy great work.
You might want to add a line in your correspondence that one day this sad affair will be fully exposed and everyone in a position of power will be judged by their action or inaction.
This might be enough to stir some of them to be pro-active.
All:
On the 100 vs 20 issue.
I think the law firm represents hundreds of victims. But they have prepared 20 of them for trial. So their are 20 victims that are about to sue. They have used the term test case a few times. So I think that is the confusion.
I agree. I think it could be 20 of their first clients though too. It probably takes a while to prepare each case.I'm not sure the mhedia are confused. They know it is 20 test cases but that gives them an excuse to play down the severity of it all.
These 'test cases' will probably be the most compelling and the hardest for Celtic to defend. Thompsons will be using them to establish precedent. If they are successful and if the awards are significant and public then I think we might see an avalanche of claims over and above the ones that are known about.
I'm not sure the mhedia are confused. They know it is 20 test cases but that gives them an excuse to play down the severity of it all.
These 'test cases' will probably be the most compelling and the hardest for Celtic to defend. Thompsons will be using them to establish precedent. If they are successful and if the awards are significant and public then I think we might see an avalanche of claims over and above the ones that are known about.
Two people convicted were full on Celtic FC employees. 4 were affiliated with the boys club. By stressing the 4 at the boys club it downplays that there was a ring operating across the Celtic "family."The mhedia did the same in May when their convictions total hit 6 or 7 but 4 in the 1 year.
(unts ran with 4 in 1 year to play it down also.
received this reply from alyson evans at SFA,note it is dated july and makes no mention of the fact that celtic are inextricably joined with their boys club,also states 4 men have been convicted of offences and not 7 ...a response will be drafted later.
FIFA Briefing Report on Non-Recent Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football
Background Since November 2016 a number of individuals have come forward to report their experiences of sexual abuse in childhood while involved in football. The first person to come forward was Andy Woodward in England, who gave a televised interview to the BBC. This interview led many other individuals, almost exclusively adult men, to come forward in the subsequent months and years to report that they too had been sexually abused while children involved in football in both Scotland and England. Several clubs, at different levels of our national game, have been affected by allegations and subsequent criminal convictions.
The Independent Review As a result of survivors coming forward in Scotland, in early 2017 the Scottish FA Board commissioned an Independent Review into sexual abuse in Scottish football. The terms of reference for the Review are: To consider whether or not and to what extent the Scottish FA was aware of the matters highlighted and now brought to its attention; To consider what steps were taken by the Scottish FA during the relevant periods in relation to the protection of children brought to its attention at that time and to identify any failings or deficiencies on the part of the Scottish FA in that regard; To consider what steps were taken by its members and/or affiliated and/or associated organisations, either at the time of them being made aware or subsequently, and identified as relevant to the alleged incident(s) and to those concerned. This will include responses, decisions and actions either taken or omitted; and, To consider what lessons have been learned by the Scottish FA and its members and/or affiliated and/or associated organisations since those incidents took place and following any investigations that have taken place to ensure that the risk of abuse is reduced and where possible eliminated.
Martin Henry was appointed as the independent lead of the Review. Martin is a qualified social worker and his professional expertise is in the investigation and assessment of child sexual abuse and in working with men who have problematic sexual behaviours, including those who offend online.
An interim report from the Review was published in July 2018 and is available on the Scottish FA website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/...-abuse-inscottish-football_interim-report.pdf This report made 95 recommendations for change across Scottish football and we are working collectively to implement these recommendations. An update on the implementation of the recommendations, published on 11 June 2019, can also be read on our website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/child-wellbeing-and-protection-qa/?rid=13929
The final report from the Review will be published once the current criminal proceedings are concluded, since the Review team has received legal advice that to publish the report in full at this time would prejudice the criminal process. This final report will cover the terms of reference in full, in particular what steps have been taken in relation to individual cases.
Celtic Football Club and Celtic Boys Club To date, four men with previous involvement in Celtic Boys Club have been convicted of offences related to the sexual abuse of children with offence dates spanning the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Three of these men perpetrated their offences directly through their involvement in Celtic Boys Club, with the fourth convicted of offences committed while working as a teacher. Celtic Football Club’s position is that Celtic Boys Club is a separate legal entity to Celtic Football Club. This position has been the subject of media investigation, with recent investigatory reports in the Times newspaper, for example.
Current Standards for Child Wellbeing and Protection in Scottish Football Standards related to the wellbeing and protection of children and young people are included in the Scottish FA’s Club Licensing system, which includes an annual audit. The criteria can be accessed on the Scottish FA website: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/4676/scottish-fa-club-licensingmanual-2019.pdf Therefore for any of our member clubs to hold a Club License there requires to be assessment of the standards the club has in place related to child wellbeing and protection and no License will be awarded unless the minimum standards are evidenced as being in place at the club. In December 2017 sportScotland, the national agency for sport in Scotland, launched new Standards for Child Wellbeing and Protection in Sport, and we are currently working to embed these Standards within the Scottish FA and our members through the Club Licensing System and child wellbeing and protection audits.
Alyson Evans Child Wellbeing and Protection Manager Scottish FA 9 July 2019
Doesn't matter a jot,they were/are all linked as per the reportTwo people convicted were full on Celtic FC employees. 4 were affiliated with the boys club. By stressing the 4 at the boys club it downplays that there was a ring operating across the Celtic "family."
Tommy the 7 includes Torbett twice.
I agree. I think it could be 20 of their first clients though too. It probably takes a while to prepare each case.
These types of cases take to prepare and even more so when we consider the (potential) numbers involved. As you say hopefully this is the start of it coming to fruition.It seemed very quiet there for a few weeks but the last couple of days I'm starting to feel a bit of momentum gathering here again.
I’ve had a lot of posters pm me recently reference the situation in New Jersey. This has been posted previously but for the benefit of the posters who haven’t seen it, then this is the current situation reference the authorities stateside.
This information was recently brought to my attention. The Kearny Police Department Detective Bureau is reviewing this information and is in consultation with the Hudson County Prosecutors Office. I am not able to provide any further detail or information regarding the investigation at this point in time.
Thank You.
George King
Chief of Police
Would there be a jury in such matters? Is it not civil action?When they do go to court, I hope the judges order that the juries should NOT contain any poet supporters, as Rangers supporters were apparently banned for the Whyte trial on the judge's instructions.
Based on the results of that trial, I'm sure they had tims on that jury! And I'm also sure they will make sure to ban Rangers fans and NOT ban any tims from being on a jury presiding over any of these cases.When they do go to court, I hope the judges order that the juries should NOT contain any poet supporters, as Rangers supporters were apparently banned for the Whyte trial on the judge's instructions.
Yeah I remember that coming out a few days after I got that replyLast we heard Stateside was that Chris McCart and Tony Sheperd were going to be interviewed by them.
Aug 4th this year, John WestEnclosure.
Based on the results of that trial, I'm sure they had tims on that jury! And I'm also sure they will make sure to ban Rangers fans and NOT ban any tims from being on a jury presiding over any of these cases.
Would there be a jury in such matters? Is it not civil action?
at what point in the future do we see this shameful shower having to change their name, i feel it is something that most certainly happen, when they finally can go no further with the separate entity carry on they will have to accept their guilt,from their on in the name of that club will be synonymous with one thing and one thing only ,and it wont be lisbon 67 or 9 in a row,the name will go, may as well go like their affiliated boys club and become st pats,even then that will not help them escape the shame,these animals should be sine die from all football
It seemed very quiet there for a few weeks but the last couple of days I'm starting to feel a bit of momentum gathering here again.