Belvedre
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The initial Bruce report had the entire city centre flattened. Kid you not. Everything.
Surely a coincidence that Glasgow's population halved and became the derelict property capital of Europe in the 80s.
The initial Bruce report had the entire city centre flattened. Kid you not. Everything.
Seems to be an awful lot of it in the East end of Glasgow.Can you point me towards this cheap land you refer too?
All very Jetsons. Will these progressive new flats have parking spaces?Yes it certainly does in its current state because Glasweigan transit investment has been horrible as cars have long been prioritized. Which is why development around Ibrox is crucial as it reduces travel demand.
The long term involves refreshed transit investment, but that isn't possible if residential densities are the level they are. Supporter busses are fine but providing parking for private cars is expensive (land is valuable and parking consumes large amounts of land) , and creates congestion. Eliminating private parking may seem shortsighted but it's quite progressive long term.
All very Jetsons. Will these progressive new flats have parking spaces?
Development reduces travel demand. For who? Not the fans. 50000 need to get to the games regardless of how developed the area around Ibrox is.
I wouldn’t expect to drive around looking for a parking space for 10 minutes, walk 20 minutes across dark paths, through puddles and over motorway ramps, avoiding getting knocked down by frustrated bumper to bumper traffic, in the rain on a freezing Wednesday night in November to go to the Odeon. Only to repeat the same walk on the way back, to wait another half hour to move off on the drive home. That’s the reality of the new parking restrictions on a typical midweek game and we seem to be getting more of those games lately.
We are in the entertainment business. We make the majority of our money from ticket sales. The club need to be careful they don’t give fans another excuse not to leave the hassle behind and watch EVERY game from the comfort of their own couch.
I would imagine that the properties would be a mix of social housing and mid market, any of these developments usually need to have a percentage of social housing before they are given local authority planning consent.Whats the bet the Council will insist it's used for Social Housing.
Somewhere like a whacking great club owned car park at the corner of the ground.
I’m talking about people stating that “they” (the council) are trying to “physically” block us in!The planners/council may block the application as the ground was never residential land, plus various sites available nearby which were previously houses.
If they think Rangers will make a few million on the deal it will be blocked.
where he usually does them,on the vacant ground at hinselwood driveAye, but where's Gollum gonnae make his bbc reports from when this happens.?
We own that area.Did we own it and get a decent price or was it given as security on any loans?
Its all of that.
Right now there is very little to do around Ibrox. Very basic food vans are an option. If you want a beer then you go to one of the pubs on PRW or you drink elsewhere and travel to the ground late. Once you get to the stadium, you can hang about in the surrounding area with nothing to do or you can go into the stadium with nothing to do but watch the warm up.
Contrast that with somewhere like the Commerzbank arena. Theres a bit perimeter fence around the stadium itself. Plenty of land where they can set up bars and different food options. They make fantastic use of their video screens for pre-match entertainment. They have pitches where they can run exhibitions or youth matches. You can wander around. They have a big club shop plus smaller portakabin outlets that sell a smaller range of the main merch. Fans are given areas for fan group activities. You're encouraged to get along to the ground at least 90 minutes before kick off because there's plenty to do before the game and it can be done in an enjoyable, relaxed atmosphere.
Scottish football doesnt have that. Some have argued for fan zones. I'd go further and model the way we run match days on how the Bundesliga sides do it. Its a better all roundEve
Can you point me towards this cheap land you refer too?
Not yet they’ve not.Rangers have sold the land to a developer!
The club own the land. Likely there is a grand plan which they believe is not sufficiently advanced to share just yet with us shareholders and supporters.9 pages so can’t easily get a summary of what’s going on.
Has the land been sold by Rangers? Will this development restrict the growth of our plans surrounding the stadium? Do our Board have questions to answer?
Surely this is where club 1872 should be earning their corn.
Same here, my Dad is 75 and has mobility issues (bad knees), we HAVE to park in the Albion. He cannot now walk a mile or two from a supporters bus or from Bellahouston.
If the Albion is sold, even half of it, a man who went to his first game in 1950 may not ever be able to go again.
You will know more about land prices in that area than me. How much do you think the land being developed is worth at present?
imagine if 50k people all tried to park near the stadium. Cars are too inefficient and will never be the solution
this is it mate, if the council or the government want everyone to use public transport then they need to reduce the pricesI’m all for public transport Over car use if it was affordable but the cost of public transport in this country is by in large a joke. Every year large increases on ticket prices . Until cost comes down then people will continue to use the car and because of inflation that’s unlikely to ever happen . Costs go up they don’t come down
I’m all for public transport Over car use if it was affordable but the cost of public transport in this country is by in large a joke. Every year large increases on ticket prices . Until cost comes down then people will continue to use the car and because of inflation that’s unlikely to ever happen . Costs go up they don’t come down. There’s also the issue of poor transport in Glasgow at night . Buses and trains stop most places around 11 or maybe 12 at the weekend. Anyone that’s been a night out in Glasgow will know there’s no way of getting home except by taxi. Compared to most major city’s in the uk it’s a farce
this is it mate, if the council or the government want everyone to use public transport then they need to reduce the prices
They need too get something sorted for familys and kids aswell.I think the subway is a good enough option. The problem is related to the first half of this - nobody wants to get there any earlier than 3pm due to the lack of things to do in the build up to the game. That means that thousands are still trying to get to Ibrox for 3pm on the dot and it shows. I think if you get the fanzone/matchday experience right then the existing public transport is fine. A train station would be ideal but easing the congestion on the subway is probably a knock on effect of creating a better environment for fans. Would any train station route get you as close as the subway?
I’m afraid not and I hoped this kind of mindset was a thing of the past. No Board, present or future, investor or fan, should ever be allowed to make decisions without the fullest scrutiny.The club own the land. Likely there is a grand plan which they believe is not sufficiently advanced to share just yet with us shareholders and supporters.
Would we not rather plans were at the appropriate stage before being ‘broadcast’?
Have we not been critical in the past of pipe dreams that blew up in our face?
Are we not better to judge the plan when we know and understand what it is?
I suspect this is one part of a grander plan, which has to inevitably go public due to the planning application process.
Keep the faith and judge the full plan when it can be shared - I think we’ll all be much more positive at that point!!
Could be the proposed reduced parking bays that will remain may be for disabled badge holders only and he may still get to park and get to the games ?
Hoping so. Common sense would dictate that, but....
I’m afraid not and I hoped this kind of mindset was a thing of the past. No Board, present or future, investor or fan, should ever be allowed to make decisions without the fullest scrutiny.
From the outset looking in it appears to be a short-term plan to get some cash in the bank. Can you imagine the uproar and the implications of this was the spivs?
From inside that Colosseum...Aye, but where's Gollum gonnae make his bbc reports from when this happens.?
I’m all for public transport Over car use if it was affordable but the cost of public transport in this country is by in large a joke. Every year large increases on ticket prices . Until cost comes down then people will continue to use the car and because of inflation that’s unlikely to ever happen . Costs go up they don’t come down
Depends who moves in to the flats. Some species of "humans" can destroy an area. Some make it a habit to destroy communitiesThis will revamp the local area somewhat which is a good thing.
The idea on this thread of a multi storey being built is utter lunacy!
You mean the Gollosseum?From inside that Colosseum...
i get that they are private firms but are they not subsidised in part by the gov? bringing them into public ownership might be the best ideathe solutions arn’t easy. Most public transport is in private companies hands. They won’t like being told there’s a limit to how much money they can make and might ditch the contract. So do we make transport public again . Well there’s also issues with that . The long term answer is the more people using transport the cheaper it can be. But that’s a catch 22 because people won’t want to use it unless it’s cheaper
Speculative development projects can be market & price sensitive. They often have uncontrolled co-dependencies. Drop one of the multi-million investors an email for more info. Or, better still, ask a mentally challenged. They seem to know everything (and nothing).I’m afraid not and I hoped this kind of mindset was a thing of the past. No Board, present or future, investor or fan, should ever be allowed to make decisions without the fullest scrutiny.
From the outset looking in it appears to be a short-term plan to get some cash in the bank. Can you imagine the uproar and the implications of this was the spivs?
They are honestly the most f*cked up bunch of weirdos you’re ever likely to come across.Looks like the obsessed are getting ready to work themselves into a frenzy about this aspect of our club business:
If we complain about the red brick too much they will probably change it to green and grey cladding.This proposed development is horrific. Apart from it taking up 3/5 of the Albion Car Park, architecturally it is a complete and deliberate noise up. Someone is at it to see what they can get away with.
The Bill Struth Main Stand is designated a Category B Listed Building - Archibald Leitch's masterpiece. A thing of age and real architectural merit crafted out of handmade and polychrome brick. Even those who don't particularly like us as a club would grudgingly agree with that.
So what do we have here, we have a proposed building of cheap modern red brick arches which seems to be have been wilfully placed to clash with our Main Stand. In my opinion it is a deliberately cheap kitsch imitation to detract and architecturally devalue what we already have.
Merchant Homes at the noise up, perhaps. Are these going to be luxury for sale flats no. They are most likely to be sold on / built for the GHA / Wheatley as rented accommodation. Nothing wrong with that in itself.
However, does GHA / Wheatley (Glasgow City Council buddies) have the mindset to spit at Ibrox. You better believe it. If they are getting these built / buying them from Merchant Homes then they will have their hands all over the design.
Unless the club don't get their cash for the land until the Planning Permission is granted, they should object this clusterfuck of building. They should probably have a say in the design in any case.
Depends who moves in to the flats. Some species of "humans" can destroy an area. Some make it a habit to destroy communities
You said you would imagine 'land was cheap in that area' you have a very good imaginationYou will know more about land prices in that area than me. How much do you think the land being developed is worth at present?
Is what I said.You could say that about every redeveloped area in Glasgow, tbh.
So we're selling a car park and then buying land to buy another carpark, that makes a lot of sense giving when buying the land you also then have to pay to build the carpark.This guy can be a bit of a throbber but he is always spot on with the inner goings of the GCC.