Din Grogu
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That puts the final nail in the “separate entity” coffin.
Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)
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Jim Torbett: Boys Club abuser offered to bail out Celtic — The Times and The Sunday Times
The millionaire paedophile behind systemic abuse at a Celtic FC feeder team offered to help save the Parkhead club from bankruptcy. In March 1994 Celtic were hours from going bust as debts spiralled out of control and their credit facility was recalled by the bank. Michael Kelly, a club director...
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The millionaire paedophile behind systemic abuse at a Celtic FC feeder team offered to help save the Parkhead club from bankruptcy.
In March 1994 Celtic were hours from going bust as debts spiralled out of control and their credit facility was recalled by the bank.
Michael Kelly, a club director and former lord provost of Glasgow, has told how Jim Torbett, the founder of Celtic Boys Club, pledged to help bail the club out.
Torbett, 72, has twice been convicted of sexually abusing young players between 1967 and 1994. He is two years into a six-year prison sentence.
Dr Kelly, who created the Glasgow’s Miles Better civic slogan of the 1980s, said that he was informed of the proposal by his cousin Kevin Kelly, then the Celtic FC chairman.
During an account of the period in his book Paradise Lost: The Struggle for Celtic’s Soul he wrote: “[Kevin] went on to tell me that friends had put up the £1 million guarantee that the bank were asking for. I asked him who these people were.
“He named [the Irish businessman] John Keane, Jim Torbett, himself and [the Celtic board member] Tom Grant.”
Celtic, while expressing “regret and sympathy”, have distanced themselves from Torbett and his crimes, insisting that the boys’ club was an “entirely separate organisation”.
However, the latest revelation further highlights Torbett’s strong ties to the Parkhead club.
At the time he was running Celtic’s chain of shops. A company of his, the Trophy Centre, had a lucrative long-term contract with the club, reported to be worth £250,000 a year. Kevin Kelly was a director of the Trophy Centre from 1989 to 2005. Torbett was first convicted and jailed in 1998.
Press reports from the 1990s claimed that Torbett had his own seat in the Parkhead directors’ box and had ambitions of joining the board.
His offer of financial assistance was forgotten when Fergus McCann, a Canada-based businessman, seized control. His takeover led to the old board members, including Michael and Kevin Kelly, being ousted. Torbett initially welcomed Mr McCann’s arrival and was quoted in Celtic View, the club’s official magazine, in March 1994, saying: “This is the best thing that could have happened to the club.”
However, within two years Torbett was removed from his role with Celtic Boys Club after allegations of widespread abuse appeared in the press.
Mr McCann said that he would personally take steps to restore the confidence of parents and young players in “our Boys Club”.
Making no reference to it being a separate entity, he issued a statement that said: “It is not good for Celtic to be associated with this kind of scandal.
“Celtic is a very proud name to very many people and looked up to in particular by young boys.
“What we have to do is to reassure parents that their boys will be safe playing for our Boys Club and to reassure the boys themselves who dream of playing for Celtic.”
Kevin Kelly, now 81, has previously insisted he had no idea that Torbett and others were preying on children, saying: “Those who committed crimes are in jail and that’s where they should be. That’s all I’ve got to say.”
Dr Kelly and Celtic FC did not respond to requests for comment.
Dave570
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We don't need a nail unfortunately, we need a grinder.
BlueBaloo
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A shovel and a hole to bury them in
Hanover_Loyal
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I doubt it's a coincidence that CBC were traveling to Boston during a period when RC Priests were perpetrating systemic abuse on a massive scale on young boys within their communities. These beasts appear to have had a network and a way of connecting for decades.
I suspect that a proper investigation will expose a level of depravity going on at CFC/CBC never seen in the sporting World to date. Let's get it done and bring these animals to justice.
Allybear
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Thers three ways of looking at the reasons for excluding sports clubs and schools and local churches from the inquiry,
1. To protect those who failed in their responsibility for the safety well being of the children under their care.
2. To protect the snp catholic block vote.
3. By their (Scottish gov snp) own admission, they are simply not competent enough to carry out this level of inquiry when all other countries have inquiries that cover a far wider remit.
Sum total is the Scottish gov (snp) have failed in their duty to ensure justice and closure for thousands of kids whos lives were destroyed by paedos in positions of authority in this country.
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Allybear
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Dont forget savile, good pals.
Hanover_Loyal
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Dornan must surely be in front of Mulgrew for poor parenting by now
Rampant Struth
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This has been bothering me for some time now, Alan Brazil, I am not on here to ridicule or laugh at you like others have. I can't imagine for one moment what it must've been like for you to be subjected to the horrible C.S.A acts that were bestowed upon you as a child and/or the mental distress that it has also caused.
However I fail to see a person of your prominence and stature as a successful sports radio broadcaster having all your celebrity connections, why you did not do more to stop such horrible acts being done to other innocent children.
Gordon Woods has written a book (Being Put Through Hoops) to help bring these hideous events into the public domain, which of course I haven't had the pleasure of reading yet. Let's not forget what the poor Gray family have been exposed to over the years for trying to seek justice and closure for the tragic passing of their son/brother Andrew.
So please Alan help me and others understand why you have not fought for the rights of other children so that there would be less chance of them being exposed to the horrifying acts that you unfortunately had to endure. SO SAD.
However I fail to see a person of your prominence and stature as a successful sports radio broadcaster having all your celebrity connections, why you did not do more to stop such horrible acts being done to other innocent children.
Gordon Woods has written a book (Being Put Through Hoops) to help bring these hideous events into the public domain, which of course I haven't had the pleasure of reading yet. Let's not forget what the poor Gray family have been exposed to over the years for trying to seek justice and closure for the tragic passing of their son/brother Andrew.
So please Alan help me and others understand why you have not fought for the rights of other children so that there would be less chance of them being exposed to the horrifying acts that you unfortunately had to endure. SO SAD.
BlueLagoonCo
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Sorry mate who are the "others" on here that's laughed at him? Not looking for an argument, its just ive yet to see it myself
Rampant Struth
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Good, it is not about having an argument because what was written has serious content, and surely all that we want is to bring this calamity to an end and for all the perpetrators to be prosecuted. As you can appreciate (BlueLagoonCo) we don't always use the right wording. I do mean well though, honest.
BlueLagoonCo
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Tbf mate, using the wrong wording is a farcry from laughing at him. Anyway i accept your explanation, enjoy your day
Simply a Bear
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Anytime.
Is that the Alan Brazil that still defends Big Jock to this day:
"No chance. Big Jock wouldn't stand for any nonsense would he?
"But I tell you who did know - The Kelly family who ran Celtic at that time.
"They stood by him. One of them was even with Torbett in court. That p****d me off big style"
Sickens me that he can't bring himself to say a word against Stein.
It cuts them to the bone that their greatest ever manager was a paedophile enabler.
He never gave a flying %^*& for the Boys, his only concern was protecting the 'good name' of Celtic.
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I just can’t understand this individual. There can only be 2 reasons why he won’t speak to victims in his own country. Votes and his beloved club obviously come first.
He is incapable of doing his job. People who vote for the SNP definitely shouldn’t be on this forum. They make no secrets of where their loyalties lie.
He is incapable of doing his job. People who vote for the SNP definitely shouldn’t be on this forum. They make no secrets of where their loyalties lie.
Huckleberry
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This "good name" seems to be diminishing very rapidly, the fallacy they have ever been a reputable organisation is being found out big time. They can shout all they want, truth of the matter is "they can't handle the truth ". Time to face the music with a global audience.
Rampant Struth
Member
Exactly, but isn't that the point that I am making their silence is not helping little innocent children that only have a dream to play football and remember this, the football game that we all love, Yes or No?
Gibraltar Loyal
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Oh %^*& off humza...as bad as nippy the other week with her crocodile tears. Exploiting the death of someone for your own political gain, how brave and commendable you absolute cnut!
Simply a Bear
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Did Torbett aproach that club about starting a Boys' club? Did he have any previous association with the football club prior to contact with them? And if so, who did he know?
Just throwing some questions out there, apologies if they have already been discussed at some point on the thread.
Just throwing some questions out there, apologies if they have already been discussed at some point on the thread.
" Closing a debate on racism Humza Yousaf held back tears as he read out the final words of George Floyd."
Crocodile tears.
He is one cold-hearted, deceitful, lying bastard.
Crocodile tears.
He is one cold-hearted, deceitful, lying bastard.
Macdonsj
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its indicitive of the state of the country that men who were abused as youngsters from various backgrounds are ignored and dismissed
but a certain person of a certain persuasion greets about her shopping and has 2 MSPs acting on it immediately
broken system, broken country
Sticky Fingers
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This disgusts me. As previously said, he’s jumped on a bandwagon. He’s jumped on it and he can’t get off now.
he’s setting a dangerous precedent here with this nonsense.
questions have been asked of him and what he intends to do about systemic and what seems pretty sure, rampant child abuse at Celtic football club, and he proffers nothing of any sort, no answers, no solutions, nothing.
a crime that occurs 3000+ miles away where police officers are arresting a criminal engaging in a criminal act and where the criminal unfortunately dies from the over zealous approach from the police, he’s reciting last words as if he’s reciting the fucking bible itself. It’s not Shakespeare your reading big man, and this isn’t a cause that has much justification in your work right now, and if it was, that cause is far far bigger than anything you can deal with but more importantly, it’s not the biggest saga you’ll ever have to deal with, and that’s the very thing that your trying your hardest to ignore.
It won’t be ignored forever, mr Yousaf.
Do your fucking job, bring justice for these victims. It is YOUR JOB, isn’t it Mr justice secretary?
Do your JOB.
#RemoveHumzaUseless
Grigo Yossarian
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This.
Rampant Struth
Member
I hear what you are saying but we are and always will be bigger than them, just remember back to when you were a child you did not care the colour or religion that the wee kid you were playing with, did you? The big picture is, we want justice for all the wrong doings that has been going on for a very long time.
Charliedontsurf
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Torbet
Aspley1 Ger
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And this is what separates them from us. We would be appalled, ashamed and angry if our club had acted in a way that failed to protect children and protected abusers.
They appear blind to the horrors and as they ignore the abuse in their church, they ignore and accept the horrific child abuse that occurred within the Celtic Boys club which was controlled by Celtic FC.
What kind of brainwashing must happen for you not to be horrified by what happened at the celtic boys club
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How can you not be outraged and demand justice and not be concerned about the suffering of the victims.
Celtic minded or should it be Celtic blinded ?
davydumper
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He is a pathetic prick with no compassion
Speminalium8
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What are the obligations of office of the Justice minister for Scotland ? It may be useful to find this out. Is it within his rights to ignore communications informing him of the ever growing body of evidence as revealed on these boards by the excellent work of a few individuals ? What law or policy is it that gives him the right to ignore this with impunity? One would think the complaints he receives would go through a chain of command but ultimately at least ending with a reply or explanation. What is his excuse? Is it that the policy of the SNP is that they don’t investigate these matters if related to sporting or religious groups ( how convenient). Are they batting this off because of the pending SFA ‘investigation’ or is it because of an ongoing police investigation. Amazes me if this gives a get out to Yousaf. Do we know after the SFA report or the seemingly eternal police investigation is done, what their obligation is then ? I think it’s useful to anticipate and be prepared for what course of action will force them into doing something.
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Have you considered protesting outside the Parliament door mate ?
IndonesiaBlue
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Dear God. The only way you’ll “cleanse your soul” Jim is to just come clean and spill the beans. Take the secrets with you if you want but remember karma will get you on the other side, with interest.
In this video you will see Kenny Campbell with Michelle Gray. The abuse that Kenny has taken from the filth is heartbreaking.
One example was Kenny with his grandchild in a park. He was approached and handed a pound coin with the words “There you go Kenny, We know you’re after money”
Kenny has suffered badly throughout his life mentally because of the abuse he received from an individual employed by the club. This man deserves justice. Along with Kenny and a lot of others, Celtic Football Club decided to turn their back and deny and deflect. This has obviously caused their fans to do the same. This is a lad that loved his club. This man deserves justice now.
He turned to the justice secretary for help. Well we all know the rest.
One example was Kenny with his grandchild in a park. He was approached and handed a pound coin with the words “There you go Kenny, We know you’re after money”
Kenny has suffered badly throughout his life mentally because of the abuse he received from an individual employed by the club. This man deserves justice. Along with Kenny and a lot of others, Celtic Football Club decided to turn their back and deny and deflect. This has obviously caused their fans to do the same. This is a lad that loved his club. This man deserves justice now.
He turned to the justice secretary for help. Well we all know the rest.
Shengus Malengus
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the “Neil Strachan, secretary of Celtc east bc”.
Secretary at east coast Celtic feeder club was child abuser — The Times and The Sunday Times
Celtic FC created and funded a second feeder club which became embroiled in its own child abuse scandal, The Times can reveal. The Parkhead club has repeatedly distanced itself from systemic abuse at Celtic Boys Club in which four members, including the founder, Jim Torbett, were convicted of...
Celtic FC created and funded a second feeder club which became embroiled in its own child abuse scandal, The Times can reveal.
The Parkhead club has repeatedly distanced itself from systemic abuse at Celtic Boys Club in which four members, including the founder, Jim Torbett, were convicted of molesting dozens of children over four decades.
Now evidence has emerged that Celtic FC was behind the launch of a second youth feeder club in Edinburgh, called Celtic East Youth Club.
In 1997 Neil Strachan, the secretary of Celtic East, was jailed for sexually assaulting a young boy and gained further notoriety when he was exposed as the ringleader of Scotland’s worst organised abuse network.
Celtic FC has always denied any formal connection with the Edinburgh club, which no longer exists, when Strachan was convicted.
However, official documents show that it oversaw the launch and provided money as well as coaching staff.
The creation of the east coast feeder side was announced in the Celtic View, the club magazine, in May 1989. It confirmed that the venture was being overseen by Benny Rooney, a youth development officer with Celtic FC.
“Celtic are currently in the process of setting up a Celtic Boys Club based in Edinburgh which will cater for all east coast youngsters,” it said.
“The new club will be known as the Celtic East Youth Club. The boys club will be run along the same lines as their excellent counterpart in the west run by Frank Cairney, Jim Torbett and their men.” It adds: “Celtic would help out with the initial costs and Benny himself will be helping out with coaching at the beginning.”
A report on the club’s first game was featured in a Celtic FC matchday programme three months later.
Strachan became a long-serving club official and referee despite being convicted of an indecent assault on a child in 1985, when he was 17. In 1997 he resigned from Celtic East after he was convicted of sexually assaulting a boy and sentenced to three years in jail.
After his release Strachan tried to rape an 18-month-old boy on Hogmanay 2005 and took a photograph of the incident.
Strachan, now 52, was at the heart of an organised abuse network, photographing his attacks and trading them with others. Detectives recovered 7,400 images and a succession of emails which were so graphic that experienced investigators were offered counselling.
Eight men were convicted in 2009 for their part in what police described as the “largest paedophile network dismantled in Scotland”.
They included Strachan’s co-conspirator James Rennie, now 49, who was chief executive of the charity LGBT Youth Scotland and used the name “kp[kid porn]lover99”. Both men are serving life sentences.
Torbett is two years into a six-year sentence for abusing boys between 1986 and 1994, having also been jailed in 1998 for molesting players at the feeder club between 1967 and 1974.
While expressing sympathy for his victims, Celtic has sought to distance itself from Torbett’s crimes, insisting the boys’ club was an “entirely separate organisation”. The club did not respond to a request for comment yesterday.
Isn’t he one of the names that the beast fans always mention when they attempt to play a futile game of nonce tennis?
Simply a Bear
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In your reply you said he was asked to set it up. Who asked him? Was it someone in the club hierarchy ?
Charliedontsurf
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I'm still looking for the article .It only mentions that ''He was asked ''. I'm sure
It seems strange that all these articles that were available on line at some point have now been erased .
Simply a Bear
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No need to put yourself out mate, i just thought you knew off the top of your head.
Do you think a certain PR company has anything to do with missing articles?
You’ll obviously noticed I’ve removed names from this. It’s to show that even now after all this time they are still hiding behind the SFA review. Shameful.
Charliedontsurf
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Old news for people who haven't seen it
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THE CELTIC SEX abuse CASE
What Did Celtic Chairman Kevin Kelly Know? Celtic Chairman Kevin Kelly pictured with Jimmy Savile among others. Of the four companies that Jim Torbett was involved in, Celtic Chairman Kevin Kelly w…
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Charliedontsurf
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The articles started to vanish around 2012 that is why I started to screenshot them .
Around the same time that more twisted amongst their support started hinting that Torbet had been with us .Even started to shout that He was a protestant .Why that would matter I don't know. But they did try that for a while .
But you will see from the view that Cbc celebrated their 20th anniversary in 1986 .
So formed in 1966 when Torbet was a young man ,18 I believe .
Now who would have been involved in the Parkhead board room then and maybe even ended up business partners with him .
Who would have plucked a young man from a boys guild team to set up an affiliated boys club .
Someone with the same mind set .
Simply a Bear
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That's what i was getting at. An unknown, in terms of experience and reputation, was asked to run that Boys' club. That is unbelievable from a professional club.
The whole ring was not coincidence, there was planning involved. I am speculating.
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